Dontrelle Willis' availability

[inari]

There have been disagreements by "experts" and people here about the availability of Dontrelle Willis. Just for a minute, let's pretend he's going to be shopped at the deadline. First of all, would you want him? Second of all, what would it take to get him? A lot of teams would obviously be interested, the Cubs might be one of them.

 

The Marlins desperately need a center fielder (as indicated by their pursuit of Jacque), and they might want a starter to replace Willis. What would they say to a deal centered around Felix Pie and Marshall/Hill?

 

I'm not advocating this deal by any means, I'm just asking what you think the Marlins would do. If they took it, should we do it? If they didn't want a package like that, what would it take to get Dontrelle, either by us or by someone else?

[Shilzzz]

the marlins rip us off everytime. (lee is a money-based exception)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dontrelle is good but vastly overrated -- we'd get absolutely fleeced in any deal for him

 

I had one of those rare really good points to make, but it seems as though I've forgotten what it was already

[SCCubbieFAN]

Good questions. He's having a down yr. and last yr wasn't all that great either. Hill & Pie are too much.

[Abe Frohman]

Dontrelle is good but vastly overrated -- we'd get absolutely fleeced in any deal for him

 

I had one of those rare really good points to make, but it seems as though I've forgotten what it was already

 

Probably that trading Pie for Willis is a horrible idea?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dontrelle is good but vastly overrated -- we'd get absolutely fleeced in any deal for him

 

I had one of those rare really good points to make, but it seems as though I've forgotten what it was already

 

Probably that trading Pie for Willis is a horrible idea?

 

yes, but it went beyond that -- it was almost deep

[davearm]

A big huge NO on Willis. He's showing all the signs of a guy that peaked in his early 20s, and his comp list is littered with guys that fit that description.

 

The Marlins already have waited too long to deal him, and even at that, whoever gets him will end up regretting it.

[TheDude]

the marlins rip us off everytime. (lee is a money-based exception)

 

The Marlins have ripped off the Cubs and the Cubs have ripped off the Marlins. The Marlins just have the benefit of doing it twice.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'll give Dontrelle credit for 1 thing -- he hits better than our catchers

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While I'm not entirely opposed to Dontrelle Willis, I'm not sure his performance would come close to the price we'd have to pay to get him.

 

Since being good in 2005, he was above average last season, and bad this season.

 

This year he's given up 134 hits in only 118 IP. He's also walked 53 while only striking out 80.

 

Last year, he gave up 234 hits in 223 IP. He walked 83 while striking out 160. He was getting a better BB/K ratio last season, but still gave up his share of hits.

 

He's also giving up homeruns at a higher rate this year.

 

What I like about Dontrelle is that he has shown the ability to be dominating at times. It would be nice to have that. On the other hand, his skills seem to be on the decline.

 

I'd definitely take him if the price were right, but I doubt that it is.

[Balsa]

Vastly overrated. Let the Bankees overspend for him later.

[Pushfrog98]

I'll give them Clement and Alfonsucka for Willis.

[Backtobanks]

There have been disagreements by "experts" and people here about the availability of Dontrelle Willis. Just for a minute, let's pretend he's going to be shopped at the deadline. First of all, would you want him? Second of all, what would it take to get him? A lot of teams would obviously be interested, the Cubs might be one of them.

 

The Marlins desperately need a center fielder (as indicated by their pursuit of Jacque), and they might want a starter to replace Willis. What would they say to a deal centered around Felix Pie and Marshall/Hill?

I'm not advocating this deal by any means, I'm just asking what you think the Marlins would do. If they took it, should we do it? If they didn't want a package like that, what would it take to get Dontrelle, either by us or by someone else?

 

I'm not that interested in Dontrelle, but he does have that "star" power that others seem to be interested in. Maybe we could get involved in a 3-way deal to get something that we need.

 

The basics might include:

Marlins send Dontrelle to the Reds

Cubs send Marshall, Jones, prospect to Marlins

Reds send Griffey to the Cubs

 

With a little tinkering with other names and/or money, Is this a possibility?

[Sarcastic]

Dontrelle is good but vastly overrated -- we'd get absolutely fleeced in any deal for him

 

I had one of those rare really good points to make, but it seems as though I've forgotten what it was already

 

Probably that trading Pie for Willis is a horrible idea?

 

yes, but it went beyond that -- it was almost deep

 

I'll give Dontrelle credit for 1 thing -- he hits better than our catchers

 

Was that it? I didn't think it was, but you kind of left it unexplained.

[shnsajax]

There have been disagreements by "experts" and people here about the availability of Dontrelle Willis. Just for a minute, let's pretend he's going to be shopped at the deadline. First of all, would you want him? Second of all, what would it take to get him? A lot of teams would obviously be interested, the Cubs might be one of them.

 

The Marlins desperately need a center fielder (as indicated by their pursuit of Jacque), and they might want a starter to replace Willis. What would they say to a deal centered around Felix Pie and Marshall/Hill?

I'm not advocating this deal by any means, I'm just asking what you think the Marlins would do. If they took it, should we do it? If they didn't want a package like that, what would it take to get Dontrelle, either by us or by someone else?

 

I'm not that interested in Dontrelle, but he does have that "star" power that others seem to be interested in. Maybe we could get involved in a 3-way deal to get something that we need.

 

The basics might include:

Marlins send Dontrelle to the Reds

Cubs send Marshall, Jones, prospect to Marlins

Reds send Griffey to the Cubs

 

With a little tinkering with other names and/or money, Is this a possibility?

 

They will probably want Veal, Marshall, and a prospect. They will overvalue him, and being one of the limited pitchers available they will get more than he is worth.

 

As much as I hate him I would rather try to trade for Matt Morris and see if the Giants would eat some of his salary for some prospects.

[E.J.]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

[JimSorgi]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

Considering he has been declining for the past three years I wouldn't trade Pie for him.

[Iceblink]

At this point, Marshall is a better option than Willis.

 

Willis might sell some tickets, but the only thing he's got going for him these days is durability. His pitching has been average or worse for a season and a half.

 

So, of course, I totally expect Hendry to ignore reason and sell the farm for him.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'd let veal go while he still has some sort of "prospect" status. not pie though.

[NCCubFan]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

It would be a typical Cubs move, though; trade a player before his peak and make up for it by reacquiring him after he starts to fall.

[Magnetic Curses]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

It would be a typical Cubs move, though; trade a player before his peak and make up for it by reacquiring him after he starts to fall.

 

veal is losing his perceived value, though. we shouldn't assume that he'll ever reach his peak if he can't get over his control issues.

[illiniguy]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

It would be a typical Cubs move, though; trade a player before his peak and make up for it by reacquiring him after he starts to fall.

 

veal is losing his perceived value, though. we shouldn't assume that he'll ever reach his peak if he can't get over his control issues.

He meant Willis.

[Magnetic Curses]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

It would be a typical Cubs move, though; trade a player before his peak and make up for it by reacquiring him after he starts to fall.

 

veal is losing his perceived value, though. we shouldn't assume that he'll ever reach his peak if he can't get over his control issues.

He meant Willis.

 

yeah, i should have been paying attention, my bad.

[illiniguy]

The latest from Will Carroll:

 

The Cubs also still covet Dontrelle Willis as "the one that got away" and--despite his not being on the market--Willis is one player the Cubs could get if Larry Beinfest suddenly changes his mind about that. Adding Felix Pie to Jacque Jones and Donald Veal would get it done, while not adding to the Cubs payroll.

 

Pie, Jones, and Veal for a guy who hasn't won a game in months and has a +5 ERA? Horrible.

It would be a typical Cubs move, though; trade a player before his peak and make up for it by reacquiring him after he starts to fall.

 

veal is losing his perceived value, though. we shouldn't assume that he'll ever reach his peak if he can't get over his control issues.

He meant Willis.

 

yeah, i should have been paying attention, my bad.

I agree with you on the Don though. Move him while he has some value.

[Backtobanks]

No to Willis, but with Willis in the rotation we would have a DH for 60% of the games (Zambrano, Marquis, & Willis).