Punch Zambrano Campaign

[Skyballer]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

[seanimal]

I like Marshall and all, but, come on.

 

He'll never be Rich Hill, much less Carlos Zambrano.

[Skyballer]

I like Marshall and all, but, come on.

 

He'll never be Rich Hill, much less Carlos Zambrano.

Again, my opinion :!:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

Marshall will only match Z if he continues to smoke the reef

[Skyballer]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

[Skyballer]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

[Skyballer]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

[Skyballer]

Why thank you.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

:lol:

[abuck1220]

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

actually, there's plenty of fair statistical comparison...and it all says that you're wrong...but hilarious.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

[NCCubFan]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

Really.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

Really.

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[inari]

Marshall over Z? Theriot over Cedeno? You must really like white people.

[soccer10k]

Marshall over Z? Theriot over Cedeno? You must really like white people.

 

I bet he thinks Jacque Jones is a great player also.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Marshall over Z? Theriot over Cedeno? You must really like white people.

 

I bet he thinks Jacque Jones is a great player also.

 

Nope. Jacque ain't white enough for this kid.

[Mephistopheles]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

hot.

[soccer10k]

Marshall over Z? Theriot over Cedeno? You must really like white people.

 

I bet he thinks Jacque Jones is a great player also.

 

Nope. Jacque ain't white enough for this kid.

 

Ooo, good point. Replace Jacque Jones with Wade Miller or Scott Eyre.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

hot.

Cold

[Guest]

Marshall and Z, career:

 

ERA:

Zambrano - 3.38

Marshall - 5.02

 

ERA+:

Zambrano - 129

Marshall - 91

 

BAA:

Zambrano - .226

Marshall - .264

 

K/9:

Zambrano - 7.93

Marshall - 5.91

 

BB/9:

Zambrano - 4.09

Marshall - 3.77

 

K/BB:

Zambrano - 1.94

Marshall - 1.57

 

WHIP:

Zambrano - 1.28

Marshall - 1.44

 

Only one category where Marshall has the advantage.

[Mephistopheles]

Marshall over Z? Theriot over Cedeno? You must really like white people.

 

I bet he thinks Jacque Jones is a great player also.

 

Nope. Jacque ain't white enough for this kid.

 

Ooo, good point. Replace Jacque Jones with Wade Miller or Scott Eyre.

 

 

Neifi was white. True story.