Punch Zambrano Campaign

[VVMattVV]

You do realize that if you combine Marshall's 2006 with his 2007, he is a below average pitcher, don't you?

 

Now, I think Marshall has the potential to be a decent pitcher, but he's nowhere near Zambrano's ability to dominate on a consistent basis.

 

and they're about 1 start away from Zambrano having superior statistics again this season

Not if Marshall does what he is capable of.

 

If they both do what they are capable of, Zambrano will easily outperform Marshall.

maybe.

 

no, easily

They're both capable of being aces.

 

Marshall is capable of being Ted Lilly. Zambrano is capable of being one of the top five pitchers in the game. It's not even close.

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Omar]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

hot.

Cold

 

Indeed.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Lilly will never be an ace, Marshall might. Still Control is very important and Z doesn't posses it.

 

2006 WHIP

Zambrano: 1.29

Marshall: 1.52

 

Career WHIP

Zambrano: 1.28

Marshall: 1.44

 

Marshall still holds the edge for 2007 based on a few nice starts, but that margin is closing fast and will probably disappear within the next 2 starts

Still, Z led the league in walks. Doesn't say much for him and those whip is mostly hits for Marshall and walks for Z. Z's control doesn't look to improve but Marshall's "stuff" does.

 

And even if Zambrano doesn't improve his control, he's still a better pitcher than Marshall.

 

Even with Zambrano's control issues, he's still had those awesome seasons. Even with what you call great control by Marshall, his best would be the worst full season Zambrano has seen in 5 years!

 

 

 

 

And when Marshall has those 5 years of experience we'll see whose better. All we're doing now is debating without fair statistical comparison.

 

But in a lot of ways we are. We can compare each player to the other at the same age. When Zambrano was Marshall's age, he was dominating major league hitters.

 

I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's laughable to think Marshall is now or ever will reach the level of pitching that Zambrano has achieved.

I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just giving my opinion, and on paper Marshall deserves all star more than Z.

 

Well, Zambrano may not have deserved the ASG. That's debateable. But Marshall's 8 starts of 3.50 ERA doesn't make him all-star worthy in any shape or form...and in now way makes him a better pitcher now, in the past, or in the future than Zambrano.

 

If you were using hyperbole to state your love for Marshall, you should have dropped the inane arguments a long time ago.

 

Because if you think Marshall really is better than Zambrano, I'm having trouble wondering if this is the first year you've actually followed baseball.

No, it's not.

 

Then you should observe things a little more closely. Marshall is in no way the pitcher Zambrano is.

or you could stop getting so worried about my knowledge and worry about yours

 

Or I could just laugh at the fact that someone thinks Marshall is better than Zambrano.

go ahead laughter is good for you, maybe it'll make you smarter

 

I think the intelligence factor in this argument is self-evident.

This quote thing is getting long.

hot.

Cold

 

Indeed.

8-)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

[Skyballer]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

I think it was kinda obvious i was joking all along, Marshall is a good pitcher, but nowhere near Z. I think it is funny how much you all really got into this argument.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

I think it was kinda obvious i was joking all along, Marshall is a good pitcher, but nowhere near Z. I think it is funny how much you all really got into this argument.

 

next time try to make it a little more obvious

[wekse]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

I think it was kinda obvious i was joking all along, Marshall is a good pitcher, but nowhere near Z. I think it is funny how much you all really got into this argument.

 

whatever kid...don't try to back down now.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

I think it was kinda obvious i was joking all along, Marshall is a good pitcher, but nowhere near Z. I think it is funny how much you all really got into this argument.

 

whatever kid...don't try to back down now.

 

:lol:

[Skyballer]

I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, my head was really starting to hurt

I think it was kinda obvious i was joking all along, Marshall is a good pitcher, but nowhere near Z. I think it is funny how much you all really got into this argument.

 

whatever kid...don't try to back down now.

 

:lol:

No. i'm serious now, do you really think anyone could possibly truly believe Marshall is better, and no i'm not racist.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

[Skyballer]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

[CubmanPi]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

[Skyballer]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

:?: :?: :?:

[UBlink]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

:?: :?: :?:

 

Let me explain. You see, there was this game between the Cubs and the Padres, and Derrek Lee (he plays for the Cubs) was batting against Chris Young. Mr. Young hit Mr. Lee with a pitch, and Mr. Lee took umbrage with Mr. Young. Mister Young said something not nice to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee attempted to punch Mr. Young. At that point, Mr. Young tried to Punch Derrek Lee.

[CubmanPi]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

:?: :?: :?:

 

Let me explain. You see, there was this game between the Cubs and the Padres, and Derrek Lee (he plays for the Cubs) was batting against Chris Young. Mr. Young hit Mr. Lee with a pitch, and Mr. Lee took umbrage with Mr. Young. Mister Young said something not nice to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee attempted to punch Mr. Young. At that point, Mr. Young tried to Punch Derrek Lee.

Well put, thank you. I think 'umbrage' just became one of my new favorite words.

[Skyballer]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

:?: :?: :?:

 

Let me explain. You see, there was this game between the Cubs and the Padres, and Derrek Lee (he plays for the Cubs) was batting against Chris Young. Mr. Young hit Mr. Lee with a pitch, and Mr. Lee took umbrage with Mr. Young. Mister Young said something not nice to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee attempted to punch Mr. Young. At that point, Mr. Young tried to Punch Derrek Lee.

Well put, thank you. I think 'umbrage' just became one of my new favorite words.

I am aware of that game but what does that have to do with Z and Young in the all-star game. Young deserves it regardless of the fight with DLee.

[CubmanPi]

Zambrano is in 2nd place behind Chris Young

Sorry but overall this season Young deserves it.

I guess that means a Padres board has started a Punch Derrek Lee campaign.

:?: :?: :?:

 

Let me explain. You see, there was this game between the Cubs and the Padres, and Derrek Lee (he plays for the Cubs) was batting against Chris Young. Mr. Young hit Mr. Lee with a pitch, and Mr. Lee took umbrage with Mr. Young. Mister Young said something not nice to Mr. Lee, and Mr. Lee attempted to punch Mr. Young. At that point, Mr. Young tried to Punch Derrek Lee.

Well put, thank you. I think 'umbrage' just became one of my new favorite words.

I am aware of that game but what does that have to do with Z and Young in the all-star game. Young deserves it regardless of the fight with DLee.

Play on words. The title of the thread, "Punch Zambrano Campaign," is an effort to get him into the ASG, ie. "punching" a ballot to vote for Z. Considering the available names on the ballot, the "Punch Derrek Lee campaign" would mean that, instead of punching a ballot for derrek lee, they would be punching a ballot for a guy who punched derrek lee.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It looks like even Zambrano thinks we should vote for Young.

 

Link.

 

Instead of stumping for votes, Zambrano seemed to be throwing his support behind San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young (8-3, 2.14 ERA).

 

“The only thing I was surprised at was that Chris Young of the San Diego Padres wasn’t on that team,” Zambrano said, referring to the pitching staff already chosen. “He deserved to go. He’s done good this year. Honestly, he’s the one that deserves to go, not me.”

[ctcf]

It looks like even Zambrano thinks we should vote for Young.

 

Link.

 

Instead of stumping for votes, Zambrano seemed to be throwing his support behind San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young (8-3, 2.14 ERA).

 

“The only thing I was surprised at was that Chris Young of the San Diego Padres wasn’t on that team,” Zambrano said, referring to the pitching staff already chosen. “He deserved to go. He’s done good this year. Honestly, he’s the one that deserves to go, not me.”

 

Carlos is that you?

[CubmanPi]

It looks like even Zambrano thinks we should vote for Young.

 

Link.

 

Instead of stumping for votes, Zambrano seemed to be throwing his support behind San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young (8-3, 2.14 ERA).

 

“The only thing I was surprised at was that Chris Young of the San Diego Padres wasn’t on that team,” Zambrano said, referring to the pitching staff already chosen. “He deserved to go. He’s done good this year. Honestly, he’s the one that deserves to go, not me.”

Zambrano hasn't had any illusions all season about how much he struggled at the start, and his self-criticism is exactly why he proclaimed a new season and why he was so right to do so. He may be a headcase on the field, but he also has something working right too.

[killthegoat06]

It looks like even Zambrano thinks we should vote for Young.

 

Link.

 

Instead of stumping for votes, Zambrano seemed to be throwing his support behind San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young (8-3, 2.14 ERA).

 

“The only thing I was surprised at was that Chris Young of the San Diego Padres wasn’t on that team,” Zambrano said, referring to the pitching staff already chosen. “He deserved to go. He’s done good this year. Honestly, he’s the one that deserves to go, not me.”

 

Wow. I would never have expected that.

[Alfonso Soriano]

It looks like even Zambrano thinks we should vote for Young.

 

Link.

 

Instead of stumping for votes, Zambrano seemed to be throwing his support behind San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young (8-3, 2.14 ERA).

 

“The only thing I was surprised at was that Chris Young of the San Diego Padres wasn’t on that team,” Zambrano said, referring to the pitching staff already chosen. “He deserved to go. He’s done good this year. Honestly, he’s the one that deserves to go, not me.”

 

Wow. I would never have expected that.

Basically he wants you to feel bad for him so that means I will vote twice as hard.

[killthegoat06]

I bet there are a few people who would like to punch Zambrano. :lol:

[98navigator]

Vote Z!

[abuck1220]

i really wonder what zambrano's teammates think of him. do you think lee appreciates his public backing of young? or do you think the rest of the team likes him talking about siging w/ the white sox/cardinals? or all the talk he made about individual awards? or the punching people in the face? or the grand gestures he makes toward guys on the field?