According to Buster Olney, Lou has lost the team already

[jersey cubs fan]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

The Cubs are babies if true.

 

Nut up, and start playing baseball.

 

If there's a dumber phrase than "nut up" I have yet to hear it. Is there any report that the Cubs players are actually complaining b/c Lou's mean or too hard on them or is that just what some here are assuming? Maybe the players just think Lou's an incompetent manager and that's frustrating them. Being frustrated with incompetent leadership is human nature. Doesn't make you baby.

 

If you think your leader is doing a bad job of leading, you're supposed to sit quietly and smile while he drives you off the cliff?

 

Yeah, Lou has been like a cartoon character and really likes mugging for the cameras. I'm guessing some players are annoyed by his "I'm a baseball genius but I can't do it all for these incompetent morons" routine.

 

I think the players probably hated the way he responded to the Dempster game in NY. He promised big changes in response to the game, and apparantly, after realizing there wasn't anything he could do, decided to switch deck chairs. The Dempster to the rotation back to the bullpen fiasco could really rub the players the wrong way.

[Rusch33]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

The Cubs are babies if true.

 

Nut up, and start playing baseball.

 

If there's a dumber phrase than "nut up" I have yet to hear it. Is there any report that the Cubs players are actually complaining b/c Lou's mean or too hard on them or is that just what some here are assuming? Maybe the players just think Lou's an incompetent manager and that's frustrating them. Being frustrated with incompetent leadership is human nature. Doesn't make you baby.

 

If you think your leader is doing a bad job of leading, you're supposed to sit quietly and smile while he drives you off the cliff?

 

Yeah, Lou has been like a cartoon character and really likes mugging for the cameras. I'm guessing some players are annoyed by his "I'm a baseball genius but I can't do it all for these incompetent morons" routine.

 

I think the players probably hated the way he responded to the Dempster game in NY. He promised big changes in response to the game, and apparantly, after realizing there wasn't anything he could do, decided to switch deck chairs. The Dempster to the rotation back to the bullpen fiasco could really rub the players the wrong way.

 

What can Lou do when he's handicuffed by Hendry?

[KingCubsFan]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

The Cubs are babies if true.

 

Nut up, and start playing baseball.

 

If there's a dumber phrase than "nut up" I have yet to hear it. Is there any report that the Cubs players are actually complaining b/c Lou's mean or too hard on them or is that just what some here are assuming? Maybe the players just think Lou's an incompetent manager and that's frustrating them. Being frustrated with incompetent leadership is human nature. Doesn't make you baby.

 

If you think your leader is doing a bad job of leading, you're supposed to sit quietly and smile while he drives you off the cliff?

If the players were actually frustrated with incompetent leadership, they wouldn't have all stood behind Dusty Baker as he led them off the cliff. Quite simply, Piniella has probably taken them out of their comfort zones and held them accountable for their own mistakes. And a lot of them don't like it because they're not used to it. If certain players don't like it, get rid of them; there are only 4 or 5 players who are truly important on the team anyways. I'm still trying to figure out how Piniella has thrown anyone under the bus. All I've heard is him commenting on the obvious mistakes his stupid, clueless team makes game after game and how they have to get better.

[cubweiser03]

I can see some truth to Olney, seperatly i doubt only Lee likes him or sticks up for him. I can totally see the bullpen not liking him. Good for Lou to rail on Hendry for the roster. Hendry has handcuffed Lou into making changes because of some atrocious contracts that Hendry is afraid to cut ties with.

 

Scott Skiles was not well liked by the players when he came to Chicago. From what i remember hearing it was pretty nasty. It was Skiles way or the highway. Now, Skiles has team that plays great team basketball. Not sure this is far comparision. Wasnt Jack Mckean a hardass when he turned the Marlins around mid season. Sorry NSBB for bringin that up.

[jersey cubs fan]

What can Lou do when he's handicuffed by Hendry?

 

I'm not sure how Hendry has handcuffed him. Lou knew what the roster was going to look like when he signed up. And he's been around baseball long enough to know what the CBA rules allow a team to do.

[USSoccer]

What can Lou do when he's handicuffed by Hendry?

 

I'm not sure how Hendry has handcuffed him. Lou knew what the roster was going to look like when he signed up. And he's been around baseball long enough to know what the CBA rules allow a team to do.

 

Piniella blaming Hendry is Piniella trying to shift blame on everyone but him for the Cubs start. Goony is right. He knew the roster before he got here, and he should know what can or can not be done.

 

The only mitigating factor in this is that the sale of the Trib wasn't known to Lou prior to his signing the contract, and that it's affecting roster moves. I have it on airtight authority that Piniella and one other coach were not told about the sale prior to signing despite it being finalized but unannounced.

 

Even if this were the case, it still doesn't excuse the way Piniella has conducted himself thus far.

[jmajew]

I don't understand what the big deal is about getting yelled at in public for making a mistake. When I screw up at work my boss yells at me and everyone knows. Heck even if Lou did yell at them in private the media would know. Who cares how he does it. These guys are making stupd stupid mistakes and need to be held accountable.

 

At least Lou isn't saying it isn't his fault for the players not knowing the basics. He saying they need to know the basics and wants them to learn. I even bet he and his coaches preach the basics.

 

Lou has definitely been handcuffed by Hendry. If the Cubs played in the AL our lineup would be a lot better. You wouldn't have 4 guys pressing everytime they get to play in the two open outfield spots for fear of losing their jobs.

 

If you ask me Lou is trying to get too fancy or be too nice with the vets. He needs to tell Floyd and Jones that Pie and Murton have won the two OF spots. Pie is kind of by default because he is the only good defensive option at CF and Murton because he is the best offensive OF next to Soriano. I know he may not provide power but he provides other attributes that are a great for a team.

 

You never, and I mean never complete a bench with a group of aging vets. Especially ones who want/think they should be starting. That is handcuffing Lou.

[98navigator]

I have a problem with this line of reasoning; even if they collectively hate Lou it shouldn't prevent them from performing on the field. Lou isn't giving up late leads, getting thrown out for stupid base running, or failing to drive runners in... By the same token, there have been very productive teams with less than friendly (read combative) clubhouses. They don't have to like one another just respect the manager and each other. Most importantly, they should just do their individual jobs instead of busying themselves with blame.

 

This team is underachieving and I hold the players, manager, and GM accountable. However, I don't buy that Lou knew the roster before signing up because there were acquisitions after he was hired; there was no way for him to know or anticipate the issues with signing DeRosa and already having Theriot (who wasn't a lock to start the season in the MLs), the team not having a true CF until NOW that they've finally committed to playing Pie full time, the various other issues with extra outfielders, the starting SS issue, and the ever important issue of so-called team stalwarts not living up to expectations (Zambrano, Eyre, and Howry to name a few---add Barrett to the list as well). Much of the lineup problems and inconsistencies can be blamed on Hendry. Yes, Lou could have just benched certain guys but that too would have caused clubhouse problems. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

 

Don't get me wrong, Lou shares in some of the blame by continuing to use Eyre (especially) and Howry in crucial situations after they demonstrated their ineffectiveness. He's also used Ohman against RH which I don't agree with... but it seems to me that there have been far more favorable situations where players have failed.

[98navigator]

BTW, I heard Terry Boers on The Score talking about the "players only meeting" too. He said DLee tried to stick up for Lou but he also said that there were guys that didn't participate in the bashing; specifically Alfonso and Aramis.

 

 

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they were relievers, bench guys and Barrett. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

Edited June 4, 2007 by 98navigator

[CubinNY]

BTW, I heard Terry Boers on The Score talking about the "players only meeting" too. He said DLee tried to stick up for Lou but he also said that there were guys that didn't participate in the bashing; specifically Alfonso and Aramis.

 

I'm willing to bet that the relievers, the bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

If it was a "players only" meeting who do B&B know what went on?

[98navigator]

BTW, I heard Terry Boers on The Score talking about the "players only meeting" too. He said DLee tried to stick up for Lou but he also said that there were guys that didn't participate in the bashing; specifically Alfonso and Aramis.

 

I'm willing to bet that the relievers, the bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

If it was a "players only" meeting who do B&B know what went on?

 

I'm sure Boers has some source on the roster. I don't think he's making it up at all. Terry was a sports writer and he's been on the radio for over 15 years. It's afforded him the opportunity to get close to some of these guys.

[Outshined_One]

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they are relievers, bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

Actually, iirc, Barrett wasn't at the meeting. That was the day he was rumored to have been traded. I don't think he showed up at the ballpark until before the game had started.

Edited June 4, 2007 by Outshined_One

[Banedon]

BTW, I heard Terry Boers on The Score talking about the "players only meeting" too. He said DLee tried to stick up for Lou but he also said that there were guys that didn't participate in the bashing; specifically Alfonso and Aramis.

 

 

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they are relievers, bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

I'm gonna guess Eyre, Ohman, Jones, Izturis and Barrett. I don't think that there's any of the young guys that would have enough of an ego to feel like they could speak out against the manager, even in a players only meeting.

 

EDIT: This is just my guess on names...I have no inside info here or anything.

Edited June 4, 2007 by Banedon

[Banedon]

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they are relievers, bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

Actually, iirc, Barrett wasn't at the meeting.

 

Well he was unavailable to the media before the game, but I think he was in the meeting...

[Outshined_One]

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they are relievers, bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

Actually, iirc, Barrett wasn't at the meeting.

 

Well he was unavailable to the media before the game, but I think he was in the meeting...

 

I'm almost positive I read somewhere that he was the only guy on the 25 man roster who didn't attend the meeting. Let me do some digging...

[98navigator]

Apparently, there were 4-5 guys out of the 25 who were angry. I'm willing to bet that they are relievers, bench guys and Barrett were the most vocal. After I saw the exchange between MB and Lou on the bench, following his base running blunders in LA, I knew they were on the outs.

 

Actually, iirc, Barrett wasn't at the meeting. That was the day he was rumored to have been traded. I don't think he showed up at the ballpark until before the game had started.

 

Barrett not being there was a rumor. He was there but Lou told him to take the day off from batting practice (which fueled speculation that he was absent). I remember that The Score admitted later that he was spotted at the park.

[NomarSammy]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

Is anyone else surprised--like not at all--that Lee would be the only one sticking up for his "coach" and taking some responsibilty. He just appears to be the mature professional who gets all of this!! HE IS A STUD! I had a post after going to a game this spring that D LEE is worth the price of admission and this just cements the respect I have for him. I have not respected a cub like this since Ryno!

[NomarSammy]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

The Cubs are babies if true.

 

Nut up, and start playing baseball.

 

If there's a dumber phrase than "nut up" I have yet to hear it. Is there any report that the Cubs players are actually complaining b/c Lou's mean or too hard on them or is that just what some here are assuming? Maybe the players just think Lou's an incompetent manager and that's frustrating them. Being frustrated with incompetent leadership is human nature. Doesn't make you baby.

 

If you think your leader is doing a bad job of leading, you're supposed to sit quietly and smile while he drives you off the cliff?

If the players were actually frustrated with incompetent leadership, they wouldn't have all stood behind Dusty Baker as he led them off the cliff. Quite simply, Piniella has probably taken them out of their comfort zones and held them accountable for their own mistakes. And a lot of them don't like it because they're not used to it. If certain players don't like it, get rid of them; there are only 4 or 5 players who are truly important on the team anyways. I'm still trying to figure out how Piniella has thrown anyone under the bus. All I've heard is him commenting on the obvious mistakes his stupid, clueless team makes game after game and how they have to get better.

 

Well said!!!

=D>

[jersey cubs fan]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

Is anyone else surprised--like not at all--that Lee would be the only one sticking up for his "coach" and taking some responsibilty. He just appears to be the mature professional who gets all of this!! HE IS A STUD! I had a post after going to a game this spring that D LEE is worth the price of admission and this just cements the respect I have for him. I have not respected a cub like this since Ryno!

 

I think the world of Lee. But I also think Aramis isn't too far behind him as a professional. I really like those two as the anchor of the lineup. They can win with those guys. It's the rest that drag down the team.

[Elrhino]

Take it for what's it's worth. I'm listening to the Score right now and according to their "sources" The player only meeting they had was talking about Lou and how none of the players like him. The only guy sticking up for Lou was Lee. Also, the meeting they had with Hendry, Lou, and president was pretty much Lou firing at Hendry regarding the current roster.

 

Is anyone else surprised--like not at all--that Lee would be the only one sticking up for his "coach" and taking some responsibilty. He just appears to be the mature professional who gets all of this!! HE IS A STUD! I had a post after going to a game this spring that D LEE is worth the price of admission and this just cements the respect I have for him. I have not respected a cub like this since Ryno!

 

A lot of it is the fact that he's a high character guy, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that since he actually does his job and produces he really doesn't need scapegoats like some other players do. I would certainly hope Lou has rubbed the bullpen the wrong way after the season they're producing.

[RichHillIsABeast]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070604&content_id=2005726&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Lee, Barrett, Lou, and Hendry say that story is bs.

[Mephistopheles]

lol trust http://www.berkshiremuseum.org/images/pics/g_nat_muskrat.jpg

[A New Era]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070604&content_id=2005726&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Lee, Barrett, Lou, and Hendry say that story is bs.

 

Score making #*@# up? Yeah, I'm suprised. Now look closely at this --> :roll:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070604&content_id=2005726&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Lee, Barrett, Lou, and Hendry say that story is bs.

 

Score making #*@# up? Yeah, I'm suprised. Now look closely at this --> :roll:

 

Buster Olney doesn't work for The Score

[seanimal]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070604&content_id=2005726&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Lee, Barrett, Lou, and Hendry say that story is bs.

 

Score making #*@# up? Yeah, I'm suprised. Now look closely at this --> :roll:

 

Buster Olney doesn't work for The Score

 

He works for the national Score.

 

/end exaggeration