Trade Murton Now

[TakeMeToManos]

We have six outfieders in Soriano, Pie, Jones, Floyd, Pagan and Murton.

 

While there is some merit in moving one of the lefties (Jones or Floyd) neither have a drip of trade value. Murton must still have some value to a building team, despite his tomfoolery on the basepaths, and mediocre fielding. Goodness know we could use a lefty who can get people out in the bullpen in return.

 

Our record is horrible against left-handed starters, and can't get much worse. An outfield of Soriano, Pagan, Derosa could be used if Floyd and Jones continue to be deplorable against southpaws.

[Flames24Rulz]

Murton, Pie, and Soriano should be the OF for years to come.

[Soriano12]

Replace Jones with Murton in your post and I agree 100% with you.

[Tracer Bullet]

You want to trade Murton for a "lefty that can get people out in the bullpen"? Brilliant! What we need is more LHP in the bullpen. Why hasn't anyone thought of trading away a 25-year-old that put up an .800 OPS last season for another left handed reliever? Quick, get Hendry on the line. This idea has legs. We don't need OFs with a history of good OBP. What we need is to trade away a young, inexpensive player for what is essentially a crap shoot (middle relief).

[TakeMeToManos]

Glad you are on board, GR. And I was afraid there would be no support!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Glad you are on board, GR. And I was afraid there would be no support!

 

your fear is justified

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trading Murton isn't necessarily bad. Trading Murton for a bullpen arm is definitely bad.

[E.J.]

Trading Murton isn't necessarily bad. Trading Murton for a bullpen arm is definitely bad.

 

Agreed. I'm all for trading Murton as part of a package to get something better, but just trading him for a bullpen are is not smart.

[NewUserName]

Trading Murton isn't necessarily bad. Trading Murton for a bullpen arm is definitely bad.

 

Agreed. I'm all for trading Murton as part of a package to get something better, but just trading him for a bullpen are is not smart.

 

 

I would be for trading Murton for a under 30 OF with a career OPS of .850 or higher who can hit LHers. Who is also not arbitration eligible for 2 more years. If not the Cubs would be complete morons for trading Murton.

[nilodnayr]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

Edited June 4, 2007 by Transmogrified Tiger

[NewUserName]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

yes

[KingCubsFan]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

Are you assuming Texiera can play OF?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

Are you assuming Texiera can play OF?

 

yep, Tex in LF, Soriano in RF

[YearofDaCubs]

No way do you get Kemp and Billingsley for Murton and Z. No way.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No way do you get Kemp and Billingsley for Murton and Z. No way.

 

I wouldn't be surprised. First of all, Colletti is stupid. Remember what he gave up to get Baez early in the year last year, what he gave up to get Lugo at the deadline, and what he was rumored to be willing to give Hendry for Maddux.

 

Kemp isn't with the big league club, and Pierre and Ethier are blocking 2/3rds of the OF for the forseeable future. Murton gives them a RH bat off the bench for their all LH outfield, and a possible replacement for LuGo. Billingsley is a good arm, but he's being used in middle relief, and is behind Broxton and Saito in the bullpen pecking order. They're adding Zambrano so they obviously take that trade-off rotation wise.

 

Obviously an objective evaluation shows that trade isn't worth it, but considering the Dodger situation and Colletti's incompetence, I would call it far from impossible or implausible.

[Tracer Bullet]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

 

 

Would Texas really give up Teixeira for Gallagher and Kemp or Pie? If I were them, I don't think I would. I like Pie, Kemp, and Gallagher, but they'd be given up a lot of proven production for potential. And if Teix can play OF without killing himself, he's even more valuable.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

 

 

Would Texas really give up Teixeira for Gallagher and Kemp or Pie? If I were them, I don't think I would. I like Pie, Kemp, and Gallagher, but they'd be given up a lot of proven production for potential. And if Teix can play OF without killing himself, he's even more valuable.

 

I think just about any trade of Teixeira is going to be production for potential. The Rangers are done this year, and with the knowledge that Tex isn't going to sign there in all likelihood(plus being a Boras client), I don't think he's going to command an uber-return. And even then, Kemp/Pie is a top 25 overall prospect at an organizational position of need, plus a very good starting pitching prospect.

[RynoRules]

I read on ESPN.com that texeria will very likely be traded this year. Would you do Z and Murton for Texeria and a pitching prospect? Just thinking aloud.

[YearofDaCubs]

No way do you get Kemp and Billingsley for Murton and Z. No way.

 

I wouldn't be surprised. First of all, Colletti is stupid. Remember what he gave up to get Baez early in the year last year, what he gave up to get Lugo at the deadline, and what he was rumored to be willing to give Hendry for Maddux.

 

Kemp isn't with the big league club, and Pierre and Ethier are blocking 2/3rds of the OF for the forseeable future. Murton gives them a RH bat off the bench for their all LH outfield, and a possible replacement for LuGo. Billingsley is a good arm, but he's being used in middle relief, and is behind Broxton and Saito in the bullpen pecking order. They're adding Zambrano so they obviously take that trade-off rotation wise.

 

Obviously an objective evaluation shows that trade isn't worth it, but considering the Dodger situation and Colletti's incompetence, I would call it far from impossible or implausible.

I do see your point. I thought that Billingsley would soon take over the 5th starter role but they have Schmidt coming back, moved Tomko to the bullpen and have Kuo as 5th starter now. I would love this trade btw. Billingsley is nasty and Ethier has potential.

[Backtobanks]

I think Murton has a great future ahead of him and I would hate to trade him, but if he's not going to play, you might as well trade him for someone who will help your team.

[Pushfrog98]

I read on ESPN.com that texeria will very likely be traded this year. Would you do Z and Murton for Texeria and a pitching prospect? Just thinking aloud.

I actually had a bizarre dream the other night that the Cubs traded DLee and a minor leaguer (didn't know who it was, but they were a strong armed closer potential) to the Red Sox for Papelbon and a PBTNL.

 

Then they traded Z and Jones to Texas for Texeria.

 

I was ticked to lose DLee, but glad to get rid of Z and pick up Paplebon and Tex.

[rchap24]

With 80some million on the books for next year and 90 some on the books for 09, I think we need all the <1M starters we can have.

 

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for.

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley

 

Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira

 

EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot

 

Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley

Are you assuming Texiera can play OF?

 

yep, Tex in LF, Soriano in RF

 

Though I thought we had one of the worst outfields ever..... You just beat it! I love Texeria, but I dont think any of those trades would work and hes played OF before that doesnt mean he will be good at it

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Actually, that outfield would probably be above average defensively. Pie is well above average in center, Soriano would be at least average in right, and Teixeira wouldn't be bad at all in LF, especially with Pie's speed helping with any range limitations.

[rawaction]

Murton and Barrett would be perfect fits in Oakland. They could use a RH bat in the OF and as bad as Barrett has been, his offense has run circles around what Jason Kendall has done.