NBA Draft thread

[Guest]

All i can say is that coming home after the crappy game tonight and seeing my trailblazers with the 1st pick lifted my spirits!

 

I will offer a strange thought but with this draft being so deep, I think that the team should trade down and collect a huge player. I could see the team trading the #1 overall for Paul Pierce and send Darius Miles to Boston. And also get next year's 1st rounder.

 

Then ship Pierce to NJ for Carter.

 

So instead of a franchise center you end up with marshmallow-soft Vince Carter (and a #1 next year)? Wow, that's a terrible, terrible idea. They should sprint to the podium to take Oden, then look to move Randolph (and Miles).

 

Adding Oden to their young core sets up multiple 60-win season and NBA championships. That's what franchise big men do. Adding Vince Carter makes them a borderline playoff team in the west.

 

You forgot that Portland would have Boston's pick and possibly end up with Yi. A team of Yi, Carter, Roy, Aldridge, & Jack is a pretty solid team too.

 

Jarret Jack is VERY underrated.

 

Franchise centers win you championships in the current NBA.

[Outshined_One]

Franchise centers win you championships in the current NBA.

 

Thanks Q. :P

[Exile on Waveland]

All i can say is that coming home after the crappy game tonight and seeing my trailblazers with the 1st pick lifted my spirits!

 

I will offer a strange thought but with this draft being so deep, I think that the team should trade down and collect a huge player. I could see the team trading the #1 overall for Paul Pierce and send Darius Miles to Boston. And also get next year's 1st rounder.

 

Then ship Pierce to NJ for Carter.

 

So instead of a franchise center you end up with marshmallow-soft Vince Carter (and a #1 next year)? Wow, that's a terrible, terrible idea. They should sprint to the podium to take Oden, then look to move Randolph (and Miles).

 

Adding Oden to their young core sets up multiple 60-win season and NBA championships. That's what franchise big men do. Adding Vince Carter makes them a borderline playoff team in the west.

 

You forgot that Portland would have Boston's pick and possibly end up with Yi. A team of Yi, Carter, Roy, Aldridge, & Jack is a pretty solid team too.

 

Jarret Jack is VERY underrated.

 

No, I didn't forget. I just don't really care. You simply do not pass up franchise centers, especially for a cream puff like Vince Carter and an unknown quantity like Yi (not saying he won't be good, but he is a gamble).

[jmajew]

If Portland were to trade the pick they should trade it for garnett.

 

Miles, Randolph and Oden for Garnett and the 7th pick.

 

Portland would have Aldridge, Garnett, Roy and Jack all for sure starting then whoever they draft at 7 could be teh new SF...Jeff Green would be a perfect fit.

 

I don't think they should trade the pick. Oden, Aldridge, Roy and Jack is a great nucleus as well. Just won't win right away.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

[USSoccer]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

[killthegoat06]

What day is the NBA Draft?

[1908]

What day is the NBA Draft?

June 28.

[killthegoat06]

What day is the NBA Draft?

June 28.

 

THanks man. 1 day after my b-day. :o Almost a nice b-day surprise.

[Exile on Waveland]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

 

I wouldn't trade Hinrich for Randolph. Randolph is a sieve defensively with a questionable attitude. I would, however, trade Gordon for him. I like Gordon a lot, but I think the Bulls are going to have to give him up (maybe Nocioni/Thomas/Pick would suffice) to get an inside presence.

[CubsInNC]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

While I think Heinrich for Randolph is unfair, to me it's unfair both ways, so it might actually work theoretically, but the salary cap restrictions might prevent it. As for PGs that might be available, I think there might be a good deal to be had on Tinsley (puke). Indy should be looking to move O'Neal and any of Tinsley/Dunleavy/Murphy this offseason. If for nothing else than draft picks in this and next year's drafts.

[CubsInNC]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

 

I wouldn't trade Hinrich for Randolph. Randolph is a sieve defensively with a questionable attitude. I would, however, trade Gordon for him. I like Gordon a lot, but I think the Bulls are going to have to give him up (maybe Nocioni/Thomas/Pick would suffice) to get an inside presence.

 

Would you be willing to trade a defensive inside presence for offense? Outside of that, I think the Bulls are hamstrung from making a trade to aquire the scorer inside they need/want.

[Exile on Waveland]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

While I think Heinrich for Randolph is unfair, to me it's unfair both ways, so it might actually work theoretically, but the salary cap restrictions might prevent it. As for PGs that might be available, I think there might be a good deal to be had on Tinsley (puke). Indy should be looking to move O'Neal and any of Tinsley/Dunleavy/Murphy this offseason. If for nothing else than draft picks in this and next year's drafts.

 

Please take Tinsley!!!

[Exile on Waveland]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

 

I wouldn't trade Hinrich for Randolph. Randolph is a sieve defensively with a questionable attitude. I would, however, trade Gordon for him. I like Gordon a lot, but I think the Bulls are going to have to give him up (maybe Nocioni/Thomas/Pick would suffice) to get an inside presence.

 

Would you be willing to trade a defensive inside presence for offense? Outside of that, I think the Bulls are hamstrung from making a trade to aquire the scorer inside they need/want.

 

Hey, I'm a Pacer fan so I think the Bulls should trade Hinrich/Deng/Thomas/pick for O'Neal and Tinsely...c'mon...it's fair...

 

Seriously though, I agree the Bulls are a little hamstrung. They won't, and shouldn't, trade Deng or Hinrich. That leaves Thomas, Gordon, Nocioni and the pick as real tradable assets. If you give up one or two, I'm not sure who you get (maybe a flawed player like Randolph. Though he would help). If you trade three, you better be getting someone damn good in return.

[1908]

I would, however, trade Gordon for him. I like Gordon a lot, but I think the Bulls are going to have to give him up (maybe Nocioni/Thomas/Pick would suffice) to get an inside presence.

With his temper and questionable work ethic, Randolf would be a much better fit on the Pacers. After he blows up on the court or gets in trouble with the law, you guys can trade him for forty cents on the dollar.

[Exile on Waveland]

I would, however, trade Gordon for him. I like Gordon a lot, but I think the Bulls are going to have to give him up (maybe Nocioni/Thomas/Pick would suffice) to get an inside presence.

With his temper and questionable work ethic, Randolf would be a much better fit on the Pacers. After he blows up on the court or gets in trouble with the law, you guys can trade him for forty cents on the dollar.

 

Zing!

 

The Pacers are done with headcases for now, even if it means losing (which it does for the time being). Also, do I need to remind you where the Pacers got Ron Artest from?

[1908]

Also, do I need to remind you where the Pacers got Ron Artest from?

The Bulls did dump Artest because he was crazy, but he was more potential than all star when they did.

[Exile on Waveland]

Also, do I need to remind you where the Pacers got Ron Artest from?

The Bulls did dump Artest because he was crazy, but he was more potential than all star when they did.

 

True. But that deal was a huge steal for the Pacers. Unfortunately, they later thought it was a good idea to add Stephen Jackson to Ron Artest. That was the downfall. They might have been able to survive with one crazy player.

[1908]

True. But that deal was a huge steal for the Pacers. Unfortunately, they later thought it was a good idea to add Stephen Jackson to Ron Artest. That was the downfall. They might have been able to survive with one crazy player.

It sure looked like a huge steal three years ago. Now, in hindsight, not so much.

[Derwood]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

 

trading your leading scorer is always a great idea

[Exile on Waveland]

True. But that deal was a huge steal for the Pacers. Unfortunately, they later thought it was a good idea to add Stephen Jackson to Ron Artest. That was the downfall. They might have been able to survive with one crazy player.

It sure looked like a huge steal three years ago. Now, in hindsight, not so much.

 

I'd say it is and was a steal for the Pacers. Led by Artest they had a 61-win season and went to the ECF (they've only done better once since moving to the NBA). Miller was a productive player for a couple years for the Pacers.

 

Rose scored well for Chicago, but they weren't good at the time. Best played, what, one year for the Bulls? I'm not sure what the Bulls got out of the deal.

 

Sure, the Pacers are no longer benefiting from the deal. However, they did benefit immensely for a couple years, while I'm not sure the Bulls ever really did.

[USSoccer]

i'd trade hinrich for randolph in a second. then find a way to acquire a veteran point guard on the cheap.

 

Trading Hinrich makes you a worse team than trading Gordon does. That's the guard I would trade.

 

trading your leading scorer is always a great idea

 

Trading your best defender and best guard isn't a great idea either.

 

Gordon's big thing is his scoring, but if he's dealt for an inside scorer it evens out. I'd rather have interior scoring help at the expense of Gordon that weaken our perimiter defense by dealing Hinrich, to say nothing of his ability to run the offense.

 

Hinrich is a player similar to Chauncey Billups. Similar stats, similar importance to the team. Without Hinrich, players like Bryant and Wade would absolutely kill the Bulls.

 

I am not really high on trading either guy, but if I had to get rid of one it would be Gordon. He has too many flaws in his game compared to Hinrich.

[mhuber92211]

Randolph for either Gordon/Hinrich would work for me.

 

 

Oden is Slow and that does not bode well in the West. I understand that he is good but the same was said for Sam Bowie.

 

The #1 pick is a valuable pick in this draft. The deal that a desparate team like Boston would do for it might be enough to entice a trade down. All I am saying is to not have blinders on to what else may be available. Carter might not be the best acqusition but the Blazers have a need for a #3. Durant fits perfect there. Imagine a sign & trade with Seattle for Lewis and they switch picks. Now Seattle picks Oden and the Blazer trade the # 2 to Boston or Memphis and pick up extra picks, at least 2 All stars players and still build a young nueclus. That would have them end up with conceivablly:

 

Yi, Pierce, Roy, Aldridge, Randolph, Jack, Lewis. Would NJ be interested in a Pierce/Randolph deal for Kidd? Now I am dreaming but all these scenarios are present and not that far out of LF. Imagine, Roy, Kidd, Lewis, Yi & Aldridge. I think that's better then just adding Oden.

[CubsInNC]

Randolph for either Gordon/Hinrich would work for me.

 

Neither of those trades could occur straight up, until well after the draft (July 10th ends this years moratorium) as neither would fit under the trade restrictions based on last years cap. Trading Hinrich for Randolph would work out decently in terms of the cap ($11mil for $13.3mil) but trading away Gordon ($4.88mil) would handicap the team to no end when attempting to fill out the bench.

 

Oden is Slow and that does not bode well in the West. I understand that he is good but the same was said for Sam Bowie.

 

How horrible and snake bitten would Portland feel (and maybe they're gunshy now) to take the big man again, and have the following pick(s) go on to a remarkable HOF-like career. This morning they compared the upside of Oden to Robert Parrish. I like that comparison, and think it's where Oden will perform when all is said and done. Bill Russell's the ceiling, Eric Montross (also an LNHS alum) is the floor. But Parrish is the player he's likely to resemble the most, in my untrained eye.

[1908]

Randolph for either Gordon/Hinrich would work for me.

No doubt. Won't happen. Blazers might be able to get Nocioni for him.