Does Murton have a chip on his shoulder?

[Mephistopheles]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

[cubfan1955]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

[Ding Dong Johnson]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

 

Ooh, ooh, ooh! Is it Murton?

[abuck1220]

Neifi Perez has the same amount of homers and 3 fewer RBI's than Murton in 49 fewer AB's. That "pressing during sparse playing time" excuse is getting old. If he wants to play he needs to stop sucking in every aspect of his game when he does get the chance.

 

HR and RBI clearly the best way to compare.

No not really, but when Neifi has been as productive in 49 fewer AB's it says something. Would I rather have Neifi than Murton? No, but Murton isn't nearly as good as the popular opinion on this board thinks he is.

 

and you're basing that on the first month of the 2007 season?

No. He's always been overrated here.

 

based on your subjective feelings, which don't mean anything.

[cubfan1955]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

[SouthSideRyan]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

 

Is the answer Neifi?

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[Mephistopheles]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

good job missing the point.. anyways.

 

1. Open your eyes, I criticize Matt Murton and am doing so in a thread right now.

2. Sample Size. I hope I dont have to explain this to you. It isnt rocket science. No one's saying Murton has been productive, but then again Matt Murton hasnt played like he's capable of. Using Neifi is just [expletive]. It downright insults your intelligence.

[frostwyrm]

Neifi Perez has the same amount of homers and 3 fewer RBI's than Murton in 49 fewer AB's. That "pressing during sparse playing time" excuse is getting old. If he wants to play he needs to stop sucking in every aspect of his game when he does get the chance.

 

HR and RBI clearly the best way to compare.

No not really, but when Neifi has been as productive in 49 fewer AB's it says something. Would I rather have Neifi than Murton? No, but Murton isn't nearly as good as the popular opinion on this board thinks he is.

 

Neifi's numbers are heavily influenced by one good performance in a 13-4 blowout vs. KC. The whole Tigers team hit well in that game and I'd bet Murton could've had a good day too. Just bad pitching by the Royals is all it was.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270506107

[RegulusBlue]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

 

Ruh roh, you just backed off!

 

The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point.

[Fro]

Gotta give credit to Lou for pushing his buttons and unleashing his anger... he's been a much better player lately.

[KingCubsFan]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

 

Ruh roh, you just backed off!

 

The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point.

If you look at the season prior to the PHI series, Murton had the lowest OPS out of the 3.

[SouthSideRyan]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

 

Ruh roh, you just backed off!

 

The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point.

If you look at the season prior to the PHI series, Murton had the lowest OPS out of the 3.

 

Weird, Murton played a few games in a row, and did well.

[abuck1220]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

 

Ruh roh, you just backed off!

 

The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point.

If you look at the season prior to the PHI series, Murton had the lowest OPS out of the 3.

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

[KingCubsFan]

im trying to understand the logic used in this thread, but i cant. comparing neifi to murton is dumb

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs.

 

It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

 

Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones.

 

Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones

He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

 

Ruh roh, you just backed off!

 

The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point.

If you look at the season prior to the PHI series, Murton had the lowest OPS out of the 3.

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

Good to see we both agree that determining who is a better player based on a few at bats is stupid

By the way:

Murton: 70 AB

Floyd: 73 AB

[Magnetic Curses]

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

Good to see we both agree that determining who is a better player based on a few at bats is stupid

By the way:

Murton: 70 AB

Floyd: 73 AB

 

what? wait. the people who are arguing against murton are always citing his lack of production this season. the people for murton are saying that murton's been more productive than the alternatives this year.

 

that's how i take it.

[mspcanes1]

Gotta give credit to Lou for pushing his buttons and unleashing his anger... he's been a much better player lately.

 

murton's a red head...he's perpetually angry

[KingCubsFan]

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

Good to see we both agree that determining who is a better player based on a few at bats is stupid

By the way:

Murton: 70 AB

Floyd: 73 AB

 

what? wait. the people who are arguing against murton are always citing his lack of production this season. the people for murton are saying that murton's been more productive than the alternatives this year.

 

that's how i take it.

Yes, and prior to his last 5 or 6 at bats, he wasn't as productive as Jones or Floyd. So it's a bit misleading to say he's been more productive this season, when, in reality, his last few at bats have skewed his season statistics. Floyd could play tomorrow, hit a homerun and a double, and we'd be having this argument again. Fact is, they've both been relatively equal this season, and I don't think Piniella's choice for Floyd over Murton in certain games has cost us much, if anything. It's not the same as playing Izturis over Theriot

[Magnetic Curses]

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

Good to see we both agree that determining who is a better player based on a few at bats is stupid

By the way:

Murton: 70 AB

Floyd: 73 AB

 

what? wait. the people who are arguing against murton are always citing his lack of production this season. the people for murton are saying that murton's been more productive than the alternatives this year.

 

that's how i take it.

Yes, and prior to his last 5 or 6 at bats, he wasn't as productive as Jones or Floyd. So it's a bit misleading to say he's been more productive this season, when, in reality, his last few at bats have skewed his season statistics. Floyd could play tomorrow, hit a homerun and a double, and we'd be having this argument again. Fact is, they've both been relatively equal this season, and I don't think Piniella's choice for Floyd over Murton in certain games has cost us much, if anything. It's not the same as playing Izturis over Theriot

 

with all things being equal, you should always play the younger guy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

if you look at the one ab where floyd homered and the one where murton struck out, floyd is obviously better.

Good to see we both agree that determining who is a better player based on a few at bats is stupid

By the way:

Murton: 70 AB

Floyd: 73 AB

 

what? wait. the people who are arguing against murton are always citing his lack of production this season. the people for murton are saying that murton's been more productive than the alternatives this year.

 

that's how i take it.

Yes, and prior to his last 5 or 6 at bats, he wasn't as productive as Jones or Floyd. So it's a bit misleading to say he's been more productive this season, when, in reality, his last few at bats have skewed his season statistics. Floyd could play tomorrow, hit a homerun and a double, and we'd be having this argument again. Fact is, they've both been relatively equal this season, and I don't think Piniella's choice for Floyd over Murton in certain games has cost us much, if anything. It's not the same as playing Izturis over Theriot

 

with all things being equal, you should always play the younger guy.

 

Especially when he was better last year, is faster, more durable, a better defender, better at poker, etc.

[brinoch]

We've hashed this type of argument out about a hundred thousand times since this board was created by Tim. The fact is that the Cubs have nothing invested in Floyd and his happiness shouldn't be a factor in anything. He's old and he's clearly getting worse as he ages; there's nothing wrong with that -- it happens.

 

Murton, on the other hand, is only going to get better and better. He's younger and already better than Floyd both offensively and defensively. So why play Floyd? Because, like Baker, Piniella has a ridiculous veteran fetish. You want to discuss improving the offense? Well, look no farther than Murton's career OBP (.368) as an easy fix. (Jones in his last three years has a .323, and Floyd earned a .347. Color me impressed.) Murton gets on base more. His power is on the upswing. And, perhaps more importantly, he's extremely inexpensive.

 

Hendry really screwed up when he went out and got Floyd. He and Jones both have very similar weaknesses -- both have a real hard time with lefties -- yet Hendry went out and got a second (older) version of the same player. What the Cubs needed was a either a platoon partner for Jones, or two impact OF's (one needed to be a CF) that would pair Murton and Jones in a platoon. Hendry didn't do that. Instead he signed Floyd. Yet another horrible decision by a GM that doesn't think about the whole picture, or understand why teams win. Teams win by scoring more than the other guy, and to score runs, you need basecloggers ... er... baserunners.

 

Murton should be playing every day, and he should have a chip on his shoulder thanks to the shoddy treatment he's received from Sweet Lou and the Cubs -- treatment which is, alas, quite typical for an organization known for its futility and failure.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, and prior to his last 5 or 6 at bats, he wasn't as productive as Jones or Floyd. So it's a bit misleading to say he's been more productive this season, when, in reality, his last few at bats have skewed his season statistics.

 

I don't know what to say.

[Warpticon]

I just hope Piniella gets over his veterosexuality before too long and gives Murton the majority of the playing time.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes, and prior to his last 5 or 6 at bats, he wasn't as productive as Jones or Floyd. So it's a bit misleading to say he's been more productive this season, when, in reality, his last few at bats have skewed his season statistics.

 

I don't know what to say.

??? Please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom