Cardinals Pitcher Josh Hancock Dies in Car Crash

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If he was able to sue them for that every drunk who even gets in a fender bender could by that logic sue the bar they just drank at.

 

they can

Thats incredibly sad.

 

It might sound cold but I really hope that father doesn't get a cent.

How is that incredibly sad?

 

Bars/bartenders are not supposed to overserve folks precisely so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

it's the reason why so many bar owners make no money or go out of business -- the dram shop insurance is outrageously expensive

[Mizzou]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

[abuck1220]

If he was able to sue them for that every drunk who even gets in a fender bender could by that logic sue the bar they just drank at.

 

they can

Thats incredibly sad.

 

It might sound cold but I really hope that father doesn't get a cent.

How is that incredibly sad?

 

Bars/bartenders are not supposed to overserve folks precisely so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

Perhaps because I think the drinker himself should be just as much and probably more accountable for his actions than the bartender.

 

and he will be.

 

why is this so hard to get?

[ctcf]

I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about right and wrong. So if you really think that the stalled car and driver are partly responsible for this then you are pathetic.

 

let me guess, you also think the mcdonald's coffee lawsuit was completely ridiculous too.

 

It was. Let me guess, you are someone that likes to never accept resposiblity in life. To each their own.

 

Wow I've never seen someone actually agree with that lawsuit.

[davearm]

The basic fact is, this accident wouldn't have happened if Josh Hancock hadn't made horrible decisions that ultimately cost him his life and its really hard to say that these other people should be punished as a result.

It's anything but fact that this accident wouldn't have occured if Hancock was stone cold sober and not talking on a cellphone. There's no earthly way to conclude that.

 

For all we know, the car behind him would've gotten munched instead if Hancock had managed to avoid it.

 

In the security cam video I saw a bunch of other cars get by that tow truck. Willing to bet those drivers were sober.

And that proves what, exactly?

 

That having a stalled car in the middle of traffic moving 70 MPH on the highway doesn't create a dangerous situation?

[Soriano12]

I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about right and wrong. So if you really think that the stalled car and driver are partly responsible for this then you are pathetic.

 

let me guess, you also think the mcdonald's coffee lawsuit was completely ridiculous too.

 

It was. Let me guess, you are someone that likes to never accept resposiblity in life. To each their own.

 

Wow I've never seen someone actually agree with that lawsuit.

 

I know. I almost fell out of my seat. LOL who would seriously admit to that.

[abuck1220]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

he could have been driving negligently in any number of ways. hell, i don't know what he was doing.

[ctcf]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

Apparently gotten out of his car and pushed it off the road with his bare hands so he might prevent deaths of people dumb enough to drive drunk.

[davearm]

How is that incredibly sad?

 

Bars/bartenders are not supposed to overserve folks precisely so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

Perhaps because I think the drinker himself should be just as much and probably more accountable for his actions than the bartender.

The drinker is more accountable.

 

But he's not the only one accountable.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about right and wrong. So if you really think that the stalled car and driver are partly responsible for this then you are pathetic.

 

let me guess, you also think the mcdonald's coffee lawsuit was completely ridiculous too.

 

It was. Let me guess, you are someone that likes to never accept resposiblity in life. To each their own.

 

okay then read the facts. McDonald's was serving coffee at an unusually hot temperature to save money (keep coffee from going cold), and at that temperature third degree burns will occur in a matter of seconds. Despite this, McDonald's had no warning label on their product and continued to serve coffee at a dangerously hot temperature.

 

So let me guess. You're somebody who wants to blame the individual for things that aren't really their fault, and let negligent businesses and corporations off the hook. To each his own.

[ctcf]

How is that incredibly sad?

 

Bars/bartenders are not supposed to overserve folks precisely so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

Perhaps because I think the drinker himself should be just as much and probably more accountable for his actions than the bartender.

The drinker is more accountable.

 

But he's not the only one accountable.

I'm aware. Just saying I disagree with that.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

[jaydee]

How is that incredibly sad?

 

Bars/bartenders are not supposed to overserve folks precisely so that situations like this can be avoided.

 

Perhaps because I think the drinker himself should be just as much and probably more accountable for his actions than the bartender.

The drinker is more accountable.

 

But he's not the only one accountable.

 

hancock's dad should be held accountable for raising such a dumb and selfish person.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about right and wrong. So if you really think that the stalled car and driver are partly responsible for this then you are pathetic.

 

let me guess, you also think the mcdonald's coffee lawsuit was completely ridiculous too.

 

It was. Let me guess, you are someone that likes to never accept resposiblity in life. To each their own.

 

Wow I've never seen someone actually agree with that lawsuit.

 

I know. I almost fell out of my seat. LOL who would seriously admit to that.

 

People who actually know the facts of the suit. People who are ignorant and say "LOLOL SHE DRANK COFFEE WHILE DRIVING AND SPILLD IT WHAT A MORAN" laugh about it, though.

[Mizzou]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

[abuck1220]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

 

you really can't think of any way that driver could have been negligent? he could have been driving a car with no brakes, he could have been drunk, he could have been not paying attention while driving. seriously, it's not that hard to imagine.

[davearm]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

But possibly.

 

Maybe this driver had the opportunity to get his/her car out of the way of the moving traffic but simply failed to do so. We don't know.

[ctcf]

There seems to be such a strong assumption that all the other parties involved are negligent.

[Mizzou]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

 

you really can't think of any way that driver could have been negligent? he could have been driving a car with no brakes, he could have been drunk, he could have been not paying attention while driving. seriously, it's not that hard to imagine.

Huh? What are you talking about?

 

Sure, those scenarios are possible but what does that have to do with anything? Regardless of whether or not the stalled car's driver was driving without brakes, the fact is that his car got plowed into by a drunken idiot.

[Mizzou]

Maybe this driver had the opportunity to get his/her car out of the way of the moving traffic but simply failed to do so. We don't know.

So let's sue him and try to get millions!

[TruffleShuffle]

There seems to be such a strong assumption that all the other parties involved are negligent.

 

there's not. But if they were, then they'll be held accountable. What Hancock's dad did was throw everyone who might be accountable into the lawsuit, and figure that it will be sorted out as the suit goes forward. If Shannon's stopped serving him and offered him a cab, then they won't be found responsible, but if they continued serving him while he was visibly drunk, then they could be held accountable. The least likely to be found negligent is the driver of the disabled vehicle, unless that person had a way to move their car out of the travel lane and did not do so.

[seanimal]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

 

Perhaps, but I see no negligence in this circumstance.

[abuck1220]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

 

you really can't think of any way that driver could have been negligent? he could have been driving a car with no brakes, he could have been drunk, he could have been not paying attention while driving. seriously, it's not that hard to imagine.

Huh? What are you talking about?

 

Sure, those scenarios are possible but what does that have to do with anything? Regardless of whether or not the stalled car's driver was driving without brakes, the fact is that his car got plowed into by a drunken idiot.

 

and if his car was there because of his negligence, he's going to be held responsible.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

Please explain to me how the driver of the stalled car should, in any way, be held accountable for this. What could he have done?

 

vehicles do not come to a sudden stop when they quit working - s/he should have coasted off the road, either all the way to the right or in the median

Not necessarily.

 

you really can't think of any way that driver could have been negligent? he could have been driving a car with no brakes, he could have been drunk, he could have been not paying attention while driving. seriously, it's not that hard to imagine.

Huh? What are you talking about?

 

Sure, those scenarios are possible but what does that have to do with anything? Regardless of whether or not the stalled car's driver was driving without brakes, the fact is that his car got plowed into by a drunken idiot.

 

nobody is disputing that -- what they're saying is that it's possible that maybe others contributed

[abuck1220]

I can maybe see sueing the bar (despite their attempts to get him a cab), but to try and sue the tow truck driver and especially the driver of the stalled car is ridiculous.

 

if hancock wasn't drunk and the tow truck driver/driver was negligent, would you be ok with suing them?

 

Perhaps, but I see no negligence in this circumstance.

 

well, if a guy on the internet who read a couple articles about it doesn't see any negligence then why even have a trial?