Official NHL Playoffs Thread

[texascub]

I really don't know much about hockey but I'm gonna try to watch tonight's Stars game.

[texascub]

Dallas is up 1-0 early. They got a 5 on 3 PP and Modano was able to get the goal.

[soccer10k]

I know I'm a bit late on this one but...GO SHARKS!!

[Drew Doughty]

Stars win 2-0. Things got...interesting, late. Similar to the Flames game, though not nearly as bad.

 

So we have 1 game 7 in the first round. I would love for the other two series' to see the same fate.

[Drew Doughty]

Devils/Lightning go at it in about 20 minutes on NBC.

 

Flames/Wings play tonight at 9 EST on Versus.

[Post Count Padder]

*David Puddy* Go Devils!!!!! *David Puddy*

[littleburr24]

mclennan smacked franzen in the stomach pretty hard. and just to show that the message playfair was trying to send didn't sink in, detroit took a goaltender interference penalty. nice.

 

I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks.

[Post Count Padder]

Devils win, advance! Woot!

 

Very exciting game

[Drew Doughty]

Brodeur shows up again (he was amazing today) and the Devils move on.

[NewUserName]

mclennan smacked franzen in the stomach pretty hard. and just to show that the message playfair was trying to send didn't sink in, detroit took a goaltender interference penalty. nice.

 

I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks.

 

Dumb post. 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years? Also right after McClelons goon play both a referee and a linesman grabbed him and took him in the corner. The Flames were pretty much just being goons after they got down 3-0 and the Red Wings were smart not to get mixed up in it. As for interfering with the goalie, Calgary is just as much to blame for their goalie getting interfered with as the Red Wings are instigating it. The Wings have outplayed Calgary for most of this series, dominating them at home and playing even at Calgary. Even in yesterdays game were the refs called a pretty one-sided game, The Wings were hitting and getting most of the loose pucks. I hope they play

Anehiem, but they probably wont beat Van or San Jose. As a matter of fact I think Calgarty would probably beat Anehiem and their imaginary toughness also. Its nice to see that some people get most of their hockey knowledge from Barry Melrose though. Maybe that will at least keep some highlights on Sportscenter.

Edited April 22, 2007 by NewUserName

[TruffleShuffle]

great and of course the devils win today... maybe i can find out later that donovan mcnabb got run over by a bus too

[littleburr24]

mclennan smacked franzen in the stomach pretty hard. and just to show that the message playfair was trying to send didn't sink in, detroit took a goaltender interference penalty. nice.

 

I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks.

 

Dumb post. 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years? Also right after McClelons goon play both a referee and a linesman grabbed him and took him in the corner. The Flames were pretty much just being goons after they got down 3-0 and the Red Wings were smart not to get mixed up in it. As for interfering with the goalie, Calgary is just as much to blame for their goalie getting interfered with as the Red Wings are instigating it. The Wings have outplayed Calgary for most of this series, dominating them at home and playing even at Calgary. Even in yesterdays game were the refs called a pretty one-sided game, The Wings were hitting and getting most of the loose pucks. I hope they play

Anehiem, but they probably wont beat Van or San Jose. As a matter of fact I think Calgarty would probably beat Anehiem and their imaginary toughness also. Its nice to see that some people get most of their hockey knowledge from Barry Melrose though. Maybe that will at least keep some highlights on Sportscenter.

 

Did I try defending McLennan? If so, please tell me where I did. Yes the Flames were gooning it up, and I applaud them for doing so. But the Red Wings are still playing like it's reg season, and the Flames have yet to step it up. Their two home games obviously did not get them prepared. The Stanley Cup Playoffs bring on a whole new level of intesnity to the game, and neither the Flames nor Red Wings have that passion. The Red Wings need to realize it's a whole new level of play now, and defending their player is pretty important. While the Flames were blatantly gooning it, you protect your teammates. The Red Wings are gone by the end of the 2nd round, I guarantee it.

 

 

And I laugh quite a bit at the Melrose remark, I don't recall mentioning Gretzky.

[NewUserName]

mclennan smacked franzen in the stomach pretty hard. and just to show that the message playfair was trying to send didn't sink in, detroit took a goaltender interference penalty. nice.

 

I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks.

 

Dumb post. 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years? Also right after McClelons goon play both a referee and a linesman grabbed him and took him in the corner. The Flames were pretty much just being goons after they got down 3-0 and the Red Wings were smart not to get mixed up in it. As for interfering with the goalie, Calgary is just as much to blame for their goalie getting interfered with as the Red Wings are instigating it. The Wings have outplayed Calgary for most of this series, dominating them at home and playing even at Calgary. Even in yesterdays game were the refs called a pretty one-sided game, The Wings were hitting and getting most of the loose pucks. I hope they play

Anehiem, but they probably wont beat Van or San Jose. As a matter of fact I think Calgarty would probably beat Anehiem and their imaginary toughness also. Its nice to see that some people get most of their hockey knowledge from Barry Melrose though. Maybe that will at least keep some highlights on Sportscenter.

 

Did I try defending McLennan? If so, please tell me where I did. Yes the Flames were gooning it up, and I applaud them for doing so. But the Red Wings are still playing like it's reg season, and the Flames have yet to step it up. Their two home games obviously did not get them prepared. The Stanley Cup Playoffs bring on a whole new level of intesnity to the game, and neither the Flames nor Red Wings have that passion. The Red Wings need to realize it's a whole new level of play now, and defending their player is pretty important. While the Flames were blatantly gooning it, you protect your teammates. The Red Wings are gone by the end of the 2nd round, I guarantee it.

 

 

And I laugh quite a bit at the Melrose remark, I don't recall mentioning Gretzky.

 

Your whole post sounded just like a Melrose commentary and still does. I didnt say that you were defending McClelon, I was saying why there was noone on the Red Wings jumped in on him. There was actually no Red Wing even close to the play. Several other times when Iginula was gooning it up on Zetterburg and Lidstrom the Red Wings players stepped in pretty quick. The Wings have played pretty well this series. Really dominated most of the first 3 periods tonight. Kiprusov is making this a series.

 

The Red Wings main problem the last 3 years has been lack of speed. This team is quite a bit faster than the teams of those years. As much as it hurts to say it was time for Yzerman to retire and to let guys like Shanahan go. The only teams that may beat the Wings are Dallas or Vancouver. This is because of their goaltending. I still think Calgary could beat them too but mainly for the same reason.

[soccer10k]

A Calgary player shot the puck over the net from only a few feet away in overtime. This coming after they killed off a 4 minute Detroit power play.

[Drew Doughty]

First off, it's McLennan.

 

Second off, double OT. YES!

 

Go Flames Go!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

First off, it's McLennan.

 

Second off, double OT. YES!

 

Go Flames Go!

 

Channel?

[littleburr24]

mclennan smacked franzen in the stomach pretty hard. and just to show that the message playfair was trying to send didn't sink in, detroit took a goaltender interference penalty. nice.

 

I can tell you right now that the Wings are going to be eliminated if they get to the Ducks. The Wings have never been a playoff team, their hearts aren't in it. You all see the Ducks, Wild, Canucks, and Stars playing their butts off, but when you watch the Wings games, they play like it's reg. season. And seeing as there were NO Wings to back up Franzen is just another observation of how much this team lacks.

 

Dumb post. 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years? Also right after McClelons goon play both a referee and a linesman grabbed him and took him in the corner. The Flames were pretty much just being goons after they got down 3-0 and the Red Wings were smart not to get mixed up in it. As for interfering with the goalie, Calgary is just as much to blame for their goalie getting interfered with as the Red Wings are instigating it. The Wings have outplayed Calgary for most of this series, dominating them at home and playing even at Calgary. Even in yesterdays game were the refs called a pretty one-sided game, The Wings were hitting and getting most of the loose pucks. I hope they play

Anehiem, but they probably wont beat Van or San Jose. As a matter of fact I think Calgarty would probably beat Anehiem and their imaginary toughness also. Its nice to see that some people get most of their hockey knowledge from Barry Melrose though. Maybe that will at least keep some highlights on Sportscenter.

 

Did I try defending McLennan? If so, please tell me where I did. Yes the Flames were gooning it up, and I applaud them for doing so. But the Red Wings are still playing like it's reg season, and the Flames have yet to step it up. Their two home games obviously did not get them prepared. The Stanley Cup Playoffs bring on a whole new level of intesnity to the game, and neither the Flames nor Red Wings have that passion. The Red Wings need to realize it's a whole new level of play now, and defending their player is pretty important. While the Flames were blatantly gooning it, you protect your teammates. The Red Wings are gone by the end of the 2nd round, I guarantee it.

 

 

And I laugh quite a bit at the Melrose remark, I don't recall mentioning Gretzky.

 

Your whole post sounded just like a Melrose commentary and still does. I didnt say that you were defending McClelon, I was saying why there was noone on the Red Wings jumped in on him. There was actually no Red Wing even close to the play. Several other times when Iginula was gooning it up on Zetterburg and Lidstrom the Red Wings players stepped in pretty quick. The Wings have played pretty well this series. Really dominated most of the first 3 periods tonight. Kiprusov is making this a series.

 

The Red Wings main problem the last 3 years has been lack of speed. This team is quite a bit faster than the teams of those years. As much as it hurts to say it was time for Yzerman to retire and to let guys like Shanahan go. The only teams that may beat the Wings are Dallas or Vancouver. This is because of their goaltending. I still think Calgary could beat them too but mainly for the same reason.

 

It hasn't been spped at all. The Wings simply don't have as much heart in the playoffs as other teams do. I've been unfortunate enough to see one or two games of this series and if I were a viewer who had no idea it was in the playoffs, I would assume it's the last month of the season. Yet I turn on a Canucks vs Stars gamme and all of the sudden I see two teams laying it all out on the ice.

 

As far as speed hurting the Wings... First we'll go to the year 03, the year just after they'd won the Stanley Cup Playoffs. They were the number 2 seed swept by the number 7 seed the Anaheim (Mighty) Ducks... you don't get swept because another team is faster than you.

 

Then in 04 they're seeded first and struggle a bit against 8th seed Nashville, then lose in 6 to the 7th seeded Calgary Flames, who then went on to lose to Tampa. Calgary wasn't exactly a quick team.

 

And last year you have the 8th seeded Edmonton Oilers win it in 6 in the first round. Speed is not what has been hurting the wings. The Detroit Red Wings are built to reach the playoffs, not win them.

 

The Wings have been consistently beat my low seeded teams, because the low seeded teams understand what it takes to get to the finals. Hockey is a sport where team chemistry, heart, and grit are all rewarded. All 16 teams that make the playoffs are there because they're good, but they win because they are all driven to achieve something you cannot get in any other sport, immortatlity. The second your name goes on that cup, you're remembered forever. Detroit will have trouble winning another cup until their hearts get back into the games.

 

It's really no use fighting about this. But the Wings are done by the end of round 2 at the latest.

 

 

(Sorry for the long read.)

[jaydee]

calgary had to goon it up to have a chance to win. if they played detroit's style they would have had no chance.

[soccer10k]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

[jaydee]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

 

it goes remaining highest vs. remaining lowest

[NewUserName]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

 

Yes The Highest seed always plays the lower seed in the NHL

 

 

To answer Littleburr without quoting all of it. I will go back to the fact that the Wings have won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years. They still have more Stanley Cup winners on their team than any other team left in the playoffs. They have gone a little younger and grittier then in the past. Since they are winning most of the face-offs and a majority of battles in the corners and most loose pucks, I dont understand why you say they are coasting. They really dominated the series overall.

[jaydee]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

 

Yes The Highest seed always plays the lower seed in the NHL

 

 

To answer Littleburr without quoting all of it. I will go back to the fact that the Wings have won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years. They still have more Stanley Cup winners on their team than any other team left in the playoffs. They have gone a little younger and grittier then in the past. Since they are winning most of the face-offs and a majority of battles in the corners and most loose pucks, I dont understand why you say they are coasting. They really dominated the series overall.

 

the group of zetterberg/datsyuk has not won a stanley cup. i dont see how what a team did 10 years ago matters. the wings were totally different even 5 years ago.

[NewUserName]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

 

Yes The Highest seed always plays the lower seed in the NHL

 

 

To answer Littleburr without quoting all of it. I will go back to the fact that the Wings have won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years. They still have more Stanley Cup winners on their team than any other team left in the playoffs. They have gone a little younger and grittier then in the past. Since they are winning most of the face-offs and a majority of battles in the corners and most loose pucks, I dont understand why you say they are coasting. They really dominated the series overall.

 

the group of zetterberg/datsyuk has not won a stanley cup. i dont see how what a team did 10 years ago matters. the wings were totally different even 5 years ago.

 

Zetterburg and Datsyuk were on the 2nd line of their last Stanley Cup team. "2 kids and the goat" with Brett Hull. They were matched up with Iginla's line most of this series and would have to say came out the better. I wish they didnt have Holmstrom on their line even strength.

 

Players on their team from last Stanley Cup victory. Holmstrom, Zetterburg, Datsyuk, Draper, Maltby, Chelios, Lidstrom, and Hasek(obviously left and came back). Several of these guys were on their first one ten years ago

 

They have gotten bigger, faster and grittier with the players like Cleary, Franzen, Lebda, Samuelsson and Fillpula. Bertuzzi played well the last 3 games against Calgary even though it is obvious that the refs will not give him any kind of call. Even Lang who is lazy and doesnt have any intensity played well.

 

I just dont understand the critism this year. I agree the last couple of years about lack of intensity, speed and grit. They also ran into a hot(and soon to have his equipment put back to normal standards) goalie against Anehiem in 03. Calgary was a much faster and grittier team in 04. Edmonton also got hot last year and were a much faster team. Also all 3 of these teams made the Stanley Cup finals. So its not like the Wings lost to some teams that were rags. This year though the Wings have controlled the puck, finished their checks, won battles in corners, won battles in front of net and gotten to majority of loose pucks. I think their goaltending still may be an issue. Their power play has been weak also which will haunt them if that continues. I just dont think besides goaltending there is a team out West that is better.

[jaydee]

For the second round do they have the top remaining seed in the conference play the lowest remaining seed or is it the normal 1/8 winner vs 4/5 winner? For some reason i think it's the former.

 

Yes The Highest seed always plays the lower seed in the NHL

 

 

To answer Littleburr without quoting all of it. I will go back to the fact that the Wings have won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 10 years. They still have more Stanley Cup winners on their team than any other team left in the playoffs. They have gone a little younger and grittier then in the past. Since they are winning most of the face-offs and a majority of battles in the corners and most loose pucks, I dont understand why you say they are coasting. They really dominated the series overall.

 

the group of zetterberg/datsyuk has not won a stanley cup. i dont see how what a team did 10 years ago matters. the wings were totally different even 5 years ago.

 

Zetterburg and Datsyuk were on the 2nd line of their last Stanley Cup team. "2 kids and the goat" with Brett Hull. They were matched up with Iginla's line most of this series and would have to say came out the better. I wish they didnt have Holmstrom on their line even strength.

 

Players on their team from last Stanley Cup victory. Holmstrom, Zetterburg, Datsyuk, Draper, Maltby, Chelios, Lidstrom, and Hasek(obviously left and came back). Several of these guys were on their first one ten years ago

 

They have gotten bigger, faster and grittier with the players like Cleary, Franzen, Lebda, Samuelsson and Fillpula. Bertuzzi played well the last 3 games against Calgary even though it is obvious that the refs will not give him any kind of call. Even Lang who is lazy and doesnt have any intensity played well.

 

I just dont understand the critism this year. I agree the last couple of years about lack of intensity, speed and grit. They also ran into a hot(and soon to have his equipment put back to normal standards) goalie against Anehiem in 03. Calgary was a much faster and grittier team in 04. Edmonton also got hot last year and were a much faster team. Also all 3 of these teams made the Stanley Cup finals. So its not like the Wings lost to some teams that were rags. This year though the Wings have controlled the puck, finished their checks, won battles in corners, won battles in front of net and gotten to majority of loose pucks. I think their goaltending still may be an issue. Their power play has been weak also which will haunt them if that continues. I just dont think besides goaltending there is a team out West that is better.

 

 

i am almost 100% certain zetterberg was not on the last cup team in 01-02. datsyuk was on it, but was a very minor role player. as the leaders of the team they have done nothing in the playofs was what i meant.

[NewUserName]

I think you are right about Zetterburg. Sorry I was probably wrong. I remember them making a big deal after the Stanley Cup about adding him to the team the next year. I can't remember who else was on the 2 kids and a goat line then. Maybe Boyd Deveroix. I will look it up.

 

This is the first year that it has really been Zetterburg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom leading the team. Yzerman, Shanahan and Lidstrom have been the leaders in the last few years. I still think Chelios probably has a lot of pull also.

 

I will still say that most of the criticism for this years team sounds more like Barry Melrose than people who have objectively watched them. Most of there games have been announced by either CBC(with an obvious Canadian slant) or NBC(with Ed Olcycz being obviously anti-Red Wings). Truthfully I didnt get to watch a lot of Anehiem. The only thing that I see that Dallas, San Jose or Vancouver are doing better than the Wings is maybe goaltending.