Cuban Speaks.....sort of

[CubinNY]

If Cuban posts the highest bid by far and doesn't get the team I would expect a serious backlash from the baseball community and talks of collusion against owners.

 

I guess you don't understand the business of baseball then. Just because all of you think Cuban is the solution and want him to buy to Cubs, it doesn't mean that MLB and the owners agree. He has no chance.

 

Do you have inside information?

 

If so please share. If not, your post is very presumptive.

[98navigator]

If Cuban posts the highest bid by far and doesn't get the team I would expect a serious backlash from the baseball community and talks of collusion against owners.

 

I guess you don't understand the business of baseball then. Just because all of you think Cuban is the solution and want him to buy to Cubs, it doesn't mean that MLB and the owners agree. He has no chance.

 

Do you have inside information?

 

If so please share. If not, your post is very presumptive.

 

To be fair, Ken Rosenthal has insider MLB information and he has also said, to paraphrase, that there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that Cuban will be allowed to own the Cubs.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

[CubinNY]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I'm neither pro nor con Cuban. I think it's really silly to be make declaritive statements when Cuban hasn't said he's interested and the Cubs haven't been put up for sale yet.

 

Cuban is a smart guy. My guess is that if he's interested he'll get his ducks in a row and make a good case and a good offer. Whether its accepted probably has more to do with what other offers are on the table then it has to do with Jerry F. Rinsedorf.

[98navigator]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

[Banedon]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

 

Wasn't it Rosenthal that said the Cubs had signed Pudge Rodriguez a couple years back?

 

I can understand that Rosenthal's information needs to be factored in, but I wouldn't take it as gospel. He's only human. He can be wrong too.

[badger1679666666]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

 

You're depressing me.

 

:(

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I understand where Rosenthal is coming from. He may be right on target. And while Rosenthal does have inside sources, it still seems that this speculation.

 

I think Colangelo if he can get the money together looks to be the most likely as he has rubbed elbows with the inner circle before.

 

If Cuban wants a team, his best shot would be to put together a consortium that includes someone that would help prove his legitimacy to the other owners. The current Nationals group did this when they made Katsen president.

[CubinNY]

If Cuban wants a team, his best shot would be to put together a consortium that includes someone that would help prove his legitimacy to the other owners.

Exactly.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Cuban wants a team, his best shot would be to put together a consortium that includes someone that would help prove his legitimacy to the other owners.

Exactly.

 

Fine, I'll do it.

[Banedon]

If Cuban wants a team, his best shot would be to put together a consortium that includes someone that would help prove his legitimacy to the other owners.

Exactly.

 

Fine, I'll do it.

 

I hope you use the name "Goony's evil twin" when you sign the documents.

[Soul]

I'd like to see Cuban try, just so Reinsdorf would have to shoot him down, thus exposing Jerry for the screwball that he can *sometimes* be.

 

Cuban would be incredible for baseball. Anyone who wants to deny that needs to have a cold, hard look at the Mavs, and what their success and business model has done for Dallas and, indeed, the NBA as a whole.

 

Alright yeah, yeah -- he screams and yells alot. There's no reason civilized men couldn't come to some sort of arrangement, such as Mark agreeing to sit in a luxury suite during games, or agreeing beforehand to not comment on the refs. These aren't children, they're grown men who can come to an agreement on behavior.

[Shilzzz]

I'd like to see Cuban try, just so Reinsdorf would have to shoot him down, thus exposing Jerry for the screwball that he can *sometimes* be.

 

Cuban would be incredible for baseball. Anyone who wants to deny that needs to have a cold, hard look at the Mavs, and what their success and business model has done for Dallas and, indeed, the NBA as a whole.

 

Alright yeah, yeah -- he screams and yells alot. There's no reason civilized men couldn't come to some sort of arrangement, such as Mark agreeing to sit in a luxury suite during games, or agreeing beforehand to not comment on the refs. These aren't children, they're grown men who can come to an agreement on behavior.

 

it would be quite funny to see cuban jump the brick wall onto the field to yell at umps like he does in dallas.

[FergieJ31]

I'd like to see Cuban try, just so Reinsdorf would have to shoot him down, thus exposing Jerry for the screwball that he can *sometimes* be.

 

Cuban would be incredible for baseball. Anyone who wants to deny that needs to have a cold, hard look at the Mavs, and what their success and business model has done for Dallas and, indeed, the NBA as a whole.

 

Alright yeah, yeah -- he screams and yells alot. There's no reason civilized men couldn't come to some sort of arrangement, such as Mark agreeing to sit in a luxury suite during games, or agreeing beforehand to not comment on the refs. These aren't children, they're grown men who can come to an agreement on behavior.

 

QFT

 

Cuban would be a net positive for baseball. I'd hate to see Reinsdorf try to spin it otherwise.

[hitamprun]

politically, reinsdorf would sabotage him. the whole thing smacks of collusion, because it's a conflict of interest for jerry to have a vote at all, anyway. sadly, he wouldn't need a vote, just a phone and a few friends around the league.

 

I tend to agree with you. Reinsdorf is very very shrewd, and he is one of the most powerful owners behind the scenes. He has Bud in his pocket, and could muster the votes to not allow Cuban into their selective club and he could do it quietly. To be honest, even without Reinsdorf raising hell, I don't see a Cuban type getting the 75% votes anyway.

 

Purchasing a major league franchise is equivalent to joining a private country club, and they can select whomever they choose, no matter how much money they have.

[98navigator]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

 

Wasn't it Rosenthal that said the Cubs had signed Pudge Rodriguez a couple years back?

 

I can understand that Rosenthal's information needs to be factored in, but I wouldn't take it as gospel. He's only human. He can be wrong too.

 

Rosenthal is just one more name to put in the pot. Others have echoed his sentiments about Cuban's chances of becoming an MLB owner.

 

Add Steve Stone to the list of those that think Cuban's chances are slim to none.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

 

Wasn't it Rosenthal that said the Cubs had signed Pudge Rodriguez a couple years back?

 

I can understand that Rosenthal's information needs to be factored in, but I wouldn't take it as gospel. He's only human. He can be wrong too.

 

Rosenthal is just one more name to put in the pot. Others have echoed his sentiments about Cuban's chances of becoming an MLB owner.

 

Add Steve Stone to the list of those that think Cuban's chances are slim to none.

 

And everyone knows Steve Stone is the authority on everything. Stone doesn't want Cuban in there because Cuban isn't one of the groups that has contacted Stone about being involved in some fashion.

[Soul]

Can anyone remember potential owners who have been shot down by the other owners? I can't, but I really don't follow the ownership bids of other teams.

 

Because I think it would be interesting to see Cuban give it a shot, and force the owners to actually shoot him down. Do they really do that? Or is it sort of decided beforehand in the back room somewhere -- i.e. "don't even try it buddy" kind of thing?

[98navigator]

While there has been speculation that Cuban would not be approved, it is still that speculation.

 

I'm still holding out hope that he will be the next owner of the Cubs.

 

I can understand your position. All I'm saying is we can't deny that people with an inside perspective, on the type of owner that is likely to be approved, say that Cuban has no shot.

 

I've got a better chance of winning a Nobel Prize than Mark Cuban does of owning the Cubs.

 

Wasn't it Rosenthal that said the Cubs had signed Pudge Rodriguez a couple years back?

 

I can understand that Rosenthal's information needs to be factored in, but I wouldn't take it as gospel. He's only human. He can be wrong too.

 

Rosenthal is just one more name to put in the pot. Others have echoed his sentiments about Cuban's chances of becoming an MLB owner.

 

Add Steve Stone to the list of those that think Cuban's chances are slim to none.

 

And everyone knows Steve Stone is the authority on everything. Stone doesn't want Cuban in there because Cuban isn't one of the groups that has contacted Stone about being involved in some fashion.

 

There's no argument from me! I don't even like Stone; since he has parted ways with the Cubs, he's been very nasty. Now that the team is in position to be sold, he has nothing but glowing things to say about the future of the team. It's hypocritical.

 

My point in mentioning Steve Stone's name is to add another well connected person to the list (who is against Cuban). Like it or not, Stone is very influential because he is very good friends with Selig. Steve Stone will have some influence, direct or indirect, on who will purchase the Cubs. He's heavily lobbying the local airwaves to make sure that the new buyer is local (or made up mostly of local people). Bud Selig echoed those sentiments (about preferring a competent local buyer) last week when he was here for the White Sox Opening Day game.

[98navigator]

Can anyone remember potential owners who have been shot down by the other owners? I can't, but I really don't follow the ownership bids of other teams.

 

Because I think it would be interesting to see Cuban give it a shot, and force the owners to actually shoot him down. Do they really do that? Or is it sort of decided beforehand in the back room somewhere -- i.e. "don't even try it buddy" kind of thing?

 

It happened with the Red Sox sale; The owners and commissioner rejected the highest bidder for the team because they didn't agree with the makeup of the group.

 

MLB ownership isn't up for public debate. As such, the owners can make their decisions with autonomy. Cuban (or anyone else) can try to bring about public pressure but that isn't going to influence the vote of the 29 owners--actually, a move like that is bound to be nothing but negative for him.

Edited April 13, 2007 by 98navigator

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While Reinsdorf may have some influence, Stone will have ZERO say in who will be the new owner. He may have an opinion, but when it comes down to it, Stone won't have any sway with how things fall. His ego may lead him to believe he will, but he won't.

 

Soul's question is a good one. I'm trying to remember the last time a potential owner was shot down. While there was some of that going on with the selection of the Nationals owner, that was a different circumstance since they were owned by MLB.

 

I don't think local owner means diddly squat. While it might sound nice and sentimental, to think that an owner won't care about the team if he isn't local is a bit foolish.

[98navigator]

While Reinsdorf may have some influence, Stone will have ZERO say in who will be the new owner. He may have an opinion, but when it comes down to it, Stone won't have any sway with how things fall. His ego may lead him to believe he will, but he won't.

 

Soul's question is a good one. I'm trying to remember the last time a potential owner was shot down. While there was some of that going on with the selection of the Nationals owner, that was a different circumstance since they were owned by MLB.

 

I don't think local owner means diddly squat. While it might sound nice and sentimental, to think that an owner won't care about the team if he isn't local is a bit foolish.

 

Stone is arrogant but his sphere of influence, as related to MLB, isn't imagined.

 

Chris DeLuca / Suntimes

 

 

...Another plus is Stone's close relationship with commissioner Bud Selig. The two visited at U.S. Cellular Field on Monday, when Stone pinch-hit for White Sox broadcaster Ed Farmer.

 

''I consider Bud Selig one of my dear friends, and in talking to Bud over the years about the Chicago Cubs and their place in baseball history and their impact on Major League Baseball all over the country, he has a special feeling in his heart for the Cubs,'' Stone said.

 

And Stone knows MLB well enough to predict that media favorite Mark Cuban -- controversial owner of the Dallas Mavericks -- would be a long shot to survive baseball's weeding-out process.

 

''I've talked with Mark, and I happen to like him,'' Stone said. ''No. 1, he's a Pittsburgh fan. They play in the same division as the Cubs. I don't know about you, but I don't want a Pittsburgh fan running the Cubs. I just don't think that he's right for this deal. Doesn't mean he's not right for another deal, but this is a special deal. This is different. I just think the majority of the people that wind up with the Chicago Cubs are going to be from Chicago.''

[VVMattVV]

I really wish Steve Stone would just shut up and go away.

[Soul]

While Reinsdorf may have some influence, Stone will have ZERO say in who will be the new owner. He may have an opinion, but when it comes down to it, Stone won't have any sway with how things fall. His ego may lead him to believe he will, but he won't.

 

Soul's question is a good one. I'm trying to remember the last time a potential owner was shot down. While there was some of that going on with the selection of the Nationals owner, that was a different circumstance since they were owned by MLB.

 

I don't think local owner means diddly squat. While it might sound nice and sentimental, to think that an owner won't care about the team if he isn't local is a bit foolish.

 

Stone is arrogant but his sphere of influence, as related to MLB, isn't imagined.

 

Chris DeLuca / Suntimes

 

 

...Another plus is Stone's close relationship with commissioner Bud Selig. The two visited at U.S. Cellular Field on Monday, when Stone pinch-hit for White Sox broadcaster Ed Farmer.

 

''I consider Bud Selig one of my dear friends, and in talking to Bud over the years about the Chicago Cubs and their place in baseball history and their impact on Major League Baseball all over the country, he has a special feeling in his heart for the Cubs,'' Stone said.

 

And Stone knows MLB well enough to predict that media favorite Mark Cuban -- controversial owner of the Dallas Mavericks -- would be a long shot to survive baseball's weeding-out process.

 

''I've talked with Mark, and I happen to like him,'' Stone said. ''No. 1, he's a Pittsburgh fan. They play in the same division as the Cubs. I don't know about you, but I don't want a Pittsburgh fan running the Cubs. I just don't think that he's right for this deal. Doesn't mean he's not right for another deal, but this is a special deal. This is different. I just think the majority of the people that wind up with the Chicago Cubs are going to be from Chicago.''

 

I don't think Stone's influence is imagined either, but that final quote from him sounds very much like a campaign speech, as vance aluded to earlier.

 

Not that I'd mind a group with Stone involved buying the team, depending on who the other people were and what their intentions were.

[98navigator]

While Reinsdorf may have some influence, Stone will have ZERO say in who will be the new owner. He may have an opinion, but when it comes down to it, Stone won't have any sway with how things fall. His ego may lead him to believe he will, but he won't.

 

Soul's question is a good one. I'm trying to remember the last time a potential owner was shot down. While there was some of that going on with the selection of the Nationals owner, that was a different circumstance since they were owned by MLB.

 

I don't think local owner means diddly squat. While it might sound nice and sentimental, to think that an owner won't care about the team if he isn't local is a bit foolish.

 

Stone is arrogant but his sphere of influence, as related to MLB, isn't imagined.

 

Chris DeLuca / Suntimes

 

 

...Another plus is Stone's close relationship with commissioner Bud Selig. The two visited at U.S. Cellular Field on Monday, when Stone pinch-hit for White Sox broadcaster Ed Farmer.

 

''I consider Bud Selig one of my dear friends, and in talking to Bud over the years about the Chicago Cubs and their place in baseball history and their impact on Major League Baseball all over the country, he has a special feeling in his heart for the Cubs,'' Stone said.

 

And Stone knows MLB well enough to predict that media favorite Mark Cuban -- controversial owner of the Dallas Mavericks -- would be a long shot to survive baseball's weeding-out process.

 

''I've talked with Mark, and I happen to like him,'' Stone said. ''No. 1, he's a Pittsburgh fan. They play in the same division as the Cubs. I don't know about you, but I don't want a Pittsburgh fan running the Cubs. I just don't think that he's right for this deal. Doesn't mean he's not right for another deal, but this is a special deal. This is different. I just think the majority of the people that wind up with the Chicago Cubs are going to be from Chicago.''

 

I don't think Stone's influence is imagined either, but that final quote from him sounds very much like a campaign speech, as vance aluded to earlier.

 

Not that I'd mind a group with Stone involved buying the team, depending on who the other people were and what their intentions were.

 

Actually, Stone has publically said he will not be apart of any Cubs ownership group. He is lobbying to be a senior advisor within the new managerial infrastructure.

 

''I don't have to be involved in the ownership group because the amount of money is going to be astonishing. I would like to think that whoever gets the team, if he did his homework around the Chicago area, he would find that I would have something to lend to that group.''

 

''There was probably a time when I wouldn't use this term, but senior adviser to either the president or the owner has a nice ring to it,'' said Stone

 

I think he's talking about himself here:

 

''Everybody asks, 'Best-case scenario, what would you like to see happen?' Best-case scenario: I would like to see a very aggressive group of new owners who decide that they want to come in and bring some people who have some history with the Chicago Cubs and sit down in a room and actually listen to what they have to say. And maybe -- just maybe -- a few things they say will make some sense. And then you get to implement them.''