A-Rod talkin' like Mr. Cub

[Amazing_Grace]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

[CubColtPacer]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

110 mil is the payroll this year-did you mean higher than that?

[Sammy Sofa]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

How do you know how much more the Cubs could spend? You keep saying they "can't" as if it's a known absolute.

[Amazing_Grace]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

How do you know how much more the Cubs could spend? You keep saying they "can't" as if it's a known absolute.

 

I obviously don't know for sure they can't. I'm just basing that opinion on their past behavior. I may be dead wrong about spending and frankly hope I am. Having ARod and Zambrano next season would be great. I personally believe there's no reason a franchise as popular as the Cubs can't have payroll at a level close to Boston, but I don't run the team.

[Jazz]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

How do you know how much more the Cubs could spend? You keep saying they "can't" as if it's a known absolute.

 

I obviously don't know for sure they can't. I'm just basing that opinion on their past behavior. I may be dead wrong about spending and frankly hope I am. Having ARod and Zambrano next season would be great. I personally believe there's no reason a franchise as popular as the Cubs can't have payroll at a level close to Boston, but I don't run the team.

 

i think they can and will. This new regime did not hesitate for a second after MacPhail left to give out the fattest contract of the offseason. The payroll waas raised by almost 20 mil from this year to last, so there is reason to belive we can make room for both Z and AROD

[Sammy Sofa]

If they could open the purse strings for guys like Marquis and Lilly, I can't imagine them suddenly getting thrifty over players like ARod if he's available. "What's that? A once in a generation-type player? Oh, man, too bad I lost my wallet..."

 

Bottom line, they'd find the money.

[Amazing_Grace]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

110 mil is the payroll this year-did you mean higher than that?

 

Is it that high? ESPN's salary page isn't accurate for this time of year so it's hard to tell. I thought the payroll was going to be around 100-105M this season.

[CubColtPacer]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

110 mil is the payroll this year-did you mean higher than that?

 

Is it that high? ESPN's salary page isn't accurate for this time of year so it's hard to tell. I thought the payroll was going to be around 100-105M this season.

 

In the thread Tracking Cubs 2007 payroll (a sticky in the transactions thread) they have the latest payroll as 113.58 million. Now, they might not be completely accurate, but they have the closest figures from all that has been reported, so it's probably somewhere around there.

[Amazing_Grace]

That's true, but why would the Yankees not trade ARod to the Cubs, a team that's neither in the same league as them nor geographically close to them, when the alternative is to get nothing for him.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be interested in what the Cubs are offering and would be interested in somebody else's offer. I was just pointing out that opting out of his deal gives ARod the biggest freedom, without too much of a risk of throwing away money.

 

That's true, but he'd have to take a discount to play for the Cubs. I can't imagine our budget could handle a 20M dollar player, not at least without trading one or more of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Marquis, Lilly and not re-upping Z. If he wants to play for the Cubs as this rumor suggests, his best shot to do so without giving up much cash is to get the Yanks to eat part of his remaining contract in some trade scenario. If he cares more about the money, he should opt out and sign with Boston, who would love the opportunity to pay back the Yanks for Clemens.

 

I obviously don't know Arod, but I'd think after being the highest paid player and being unhappy for so many years, taking 15-17 per for 4 years or something like that and playing in a town that will worship you and a manager that you respect would be something he could swallow.

 

Yes, but the Cubs couldn't. At least not if they resign Zambrano, who will very likely make about 15-18 per season. Now, if the Yankees were to pick up about 4-6M per year of ARod's remaining 3 years, that, combined with what Texas is paying, puts him down into the 12-15M area, and the Cubs might be able to afford that and Z also.

 

If the Cubs don't resign Z, it becomes easier to sign ARod at the price you mentioned. That's really a difficult choice. It's hard to stomach paying any pitcher what Zito got, even one who's young and effective. If the Cubs let Z go, ARod would be a great alternative this offseason, if he indeed does opt out.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting both barring an absolutely brilliant trade, and even then, it would probably mean putting the Cubs into the 110M range with payroll in a couple of years, and I doubt the Trib is going to go that high.

 

110 mil is the payroll this year-did you mean higher than that?

 

Is it that high? ESPN's salary page isn't accurate for this time of year so it's hard to tell. I thought the payroll was going to be around 100-105M this season.

 

In the thread Tracking Cubs 2007 payroll (a sticky in the transactions thread) they have the latest payroll as 113.58 million. Now, they might not be completely accurate, but they have the closest figures from all that has been reported, so it's probably somewhere around there.

 

I found the thread, thanks. I had been estimating the payroll based on a site I use to lookup individual player salaries sometimes, and it doesn't always tell how much is paid per season or when the signing bonus is paid. I had come up with a payroll number of about 100M.

[98navigator]

ARod made some intriguing statement's on the Mike and the Mad Dog radio show. Specifically, he said he is looking for reassurances from Yankees management (that he's wanted) and the fans... This all sounds like a guy who will opt out of his current contract. The NY Post reports the story.

 

...he was not even responding to a direct question about the option when he said, "At some point either New York is going to say, 'I've had enough of this guy, get him the hell out of here' - we have an option - or New York is going to say, 'Hey, we won a world championship, we had a big year, you're a part of if; we want you back.' ... I also want to make sure, from the fans [and] management, I'm wanted here."

[dan.gold]

I read that article too - it seems to me that Arod will posture his situation to ensure he can opt-out regardless of what happens on the field. The only way I think he doesn't opt-out is if the Yankees win the WS. If they do well and he does well (but not win WS), he can opt-out and ask for a new contract commensurate with FA contracts of the recent past. If they do well/poorly and he does not perform at the top of his ability, I can see him using the opt-out clause to escape.

[fibro]

Keith Oberlin talked about Arod on the Dan Patrick show Tuesday. He spent a week at Yankees camp and according to him Arod has been telling everyone this offseason that next year he is going to play for Lou and the Cubs.

[98navigator]

Are you serious? I'm surprised that hasn't circulated the internet. I'll have to look for that podcast.

[fibro]

Here is the link to podcast i was having problems with the sound on it though. It is the fifth segment down on Tuesdays show under Keith's vacation.http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/radio/archive?name=dp_podcast#

[E.J.]

Keith Oberlin talked about Arod on the Dan Patrick show Tuesday. He spent a week at Yankees camp and according to him Arod has been telling everyone this offseason that next year he is going to play for Lou and the Cubs.

 

He better be willing to take a big discount because otherwise the Cubs aren't going to be able to afford him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Keith Oberlin talked about Arod on the Dan Patrick show Tuesday. He spent a week at Yankees camp and according to him Arod has been telling everyone this offseason that next year he is going to play for Lou and the Cubs.

 

He better be willing to take a big discount because otherwise the Cubs aren't going to be able to afford him.

 

Why not?

[fibro]

Keith Oberlin talked about Arod on the Dan Patrick show Tuesday. He spent a week at Yankees camp and according to him Arod has been telling everyone this offseason that next year he is going to play for Lou and the Cubs.

 

He better be willing to take a big discount because otherwise the Cubs aren't going to be able to afford him.

 

Why not?

 

If he really does wany to play for the Cubs can they afford not look seriously at him.

[A New Era]

Here is the link to podcast i was having problems with the sound on it though. It is the fifth segment down on Tuesdays show under Keith's vacation.http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/radio/archive?name=dp_podcast#

 

We have to be an insider right? So that means you have to be a paying member to listen to their podcasts? I don't remember it being that way but recently it appears to ask to log in to listen to them.

[BigbadB]

If A-Rod wants to sign a deal with the Cubs, you find every possible way to make it happen. You worry about how to afford it later. That's the order. Get him, then worry.

 

Trade Lilly, Jones and Eyre and you basically have A-Rod money. Those guys are all potentially replaceable from the farm next year. Add Marquis to the list as well if Prior comes back strong this year and Zambrano gets a deal.

 

The Cubs can go cheaper at C and SS next year as well with Cedeno and ? behind the plate.

 

Maybe A-Rod makes A-Ram expendable. Maybe A-Rod won't be able to play SS anymore. Teams would give up a small fortune in prospects for Aramis.

 

There would be ways to fit A-Rod into this line up. Get it done and then worry about how to make it work later. Too much talent is one of the best problems you could ever have.

[Amazing_Grace]

If A-Rod wants to sign a deal with the Cubs, you find every possible way to make it happen. You worry about how to afford it later. That's the order. Get him, then worry.

 

Trade Lilly, Jones and Eyre and you basically have A-Rod money. Those guys are all potentially replaceable from the farm next year. Add Marquis to the list as well if Prior comes back strong this year and Zambrano gets a deal.

 

The Cubs can go cheaper at C and SS next year as well with Cedeno and ? behind the plate.

 

Maybe A-Rod makes A-Ram expendable. Maybe A-Rod won't be able to play SS anymore. Teams would give up a small fortune in prospects for Aramis.

 

There would be ways to fit A-Rod into this line up. Get it done and then worry about how to make it work later. Too much talent is one of the best problems you could ever have.

 

No way do I trade ARam after the discount he gave us. ARod is going to be a declining player, while ARam's current contract takes him just to his early 30's. I'd move ARod to 2b if he can't play SS. He may no longer have the range for SS, but there's a great many old slow guys that have gotten by OK at 2b *cough*JeffKent*cough*. For that matter, we could trade Murton and put him in left, or trade Jones and Pie and put Murton in right. I agree if he really wants to play for the Cubs, you find a place for him, but ARam is about the last guy I'd move.

[A New Era]

Here is the link to podcast i was having problems with the sound on it though. It is the fifth segment down on Tuesdays show under Keith's vacation.http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/radio/archive?name=dp_podcast#

 

We have to be an insider right? So that means you have to be a paying member to listen to their podcasts? I don't remember it being that way but recently it appears to ask to log in to listen to them.

 

Well I signed up but now that clip is totally silent. I'm trying to download the full show. On wednesday's segment (arod & the yankees) he mentions (mockingly). . Arod and the Cubs.

[shnsajax]

If A-Rod wants to sign a deal with the Cubs, you find every possible way to make it happen. You worry about how to afford it later. That's the order. Get him, then worry.

 

Trade Lilly, Jones and Eyre and you basically have A-Rod money. Those guys are all potentially replaceable from the farm next year. Add Marquis to the list as well if Prior comes back strong this year and Zambrano gets a deal.

 

The Cubs can go cheaper at C and SS next year as well with Cedeno and ? behind the plate.

 

Maybe A-Rod makes A-Ram expendable. Maybe A-Rod won't be able to play SS anymore. Teams would give up a small fortune in prospects for Aramis.

 

There would be ways to fit A-Rod into this line up. Get it done and then worry about how to make it work later. Too much talent is one of the best problems you could ever have.

 

I know we get worried about the contracts that were signed in the offseason, but I don't think it will be hard to deal them.

 

Besides once Mark Cuban has full control of this team, do you really think he won't sign Arod :wink:

[A New Era]

If A-Rod wants to sign a deal with the Cubs, you find every possible way to make it happen. You worry about how to afford it later. That's the order. Get him, then worry.

 

Trade Lilly, Jones and Eyre and you basically have A-Rod money. Those guys are all potentially replaceable from the farm next year. Add Marquis to the list as well if Prior comes back strong this year and Zambrano gets a deal.

 

The Cubs can go cheaper at C and SS next year as well with Cedeno and ? behind the plate.

 

Maybe A-Rod makes A-Ram expendable. Maybe A-Rod won't be able to play SS anymore. Teams would give up a small fortune in prospects for Aramis.

 

There would be ways to fit A-Rod into this line up. Get it done and then worry about how to make it work later. Too much talent is one of the best problems you could ever have.

 

No way do I trade ARam after the discount he gave us. ARod is going to be a declining player, while ARam's current contract takes him just to his early 30's. I'd move ARod to 2b if he can't play SS. He may no longer have the range for SS, but there's a great many old slow guys that have gotten by OK at 2b *cough*JeffKent*cough*. For that matter, we could trade Murton and put him in left, or trade Jones and Pie and put Murton in right. I agree if he really wants to play for the Cubs, you find a place for him, but ARam is about the last guy I'd move.

 

Right. There are a few places that might be "easier" on him. I'd rather have the upgrade of Arod over Derosa or Jones than Arod over Aram (even if it is an upgrade, it's not enough of one). .

[A New Era]

Yeah oberman did say he heard everyone say Arod said that. However how good are his sources?

 

I like where this is headed. 8-)

[David]

So, how many different ways can Keith Olbermann's name be butchered in this thread? :)