A-Rod talkin' like Mr. Cub

[biittner77]

Let's suppose for a second that Guzman continues to impress. The Cubs trade Zambrano, Jones and Izturis for A-Rod. The money works out about the same. The yankees can then flip Jones in a deal for a 3rd baseman or they can move Cano to 3rd with Izturis playing 2nd.

[VanceJergins]

I think guys like Veal, Guzman, Gallagher, and Samardzija are the key to this being possible. If one of them can turn out to be ace material and at least one more can be a 2 or 3 guy, the Cubs can afford to get rid of Zambrano, Prior, and Lilly/Marquis. So if a couple of those guys are ready by next year, I think it could work.

 

Of, if one of them seems ready at midseason, it coule even work this year. Zambrano and Lilly would pay for ARod, especially if Izturis is thrown in. So, best case scenario I think would be trading Z and Izturis for ARod and unloading Lilly on someone.

 

Prior

Hill

Guzman

Miller

Marquis

 

Soriano

Murton

Lee

ARod

Ramirez

Jones

Barrett

DeRosa

[David]

It is so not cool that ARod is on the downhill part of his career now. I still picture him as the best young player in the game, yet he's pretty damn close to officially being "old" now. Another 5-6 years and he'll be near retirement.

 

Don't even get me started on Kerry Wood or Kevin Garnett..

 

Their oldness makes me feel old. :?

[SAMMYWHO]

The part everyone is overlooking is if it's Z for Arod straight up I'm sure Big Z is wanting 18 a year (5-90). Texas is eating 5-7 a year if I remember correctly so all we'd be doing is shipping Zambrano off before his big pay day even though the tribe have been counting on Z's payday for a while I'm sure. Throw Izturis in there and the money part is a wash.

[biittner77]

It is so not cool that ARod is on the downhill part of his career now. I still picture him as the best young player in the game, yet he's pretty damn close to officially being "old" now. Another 5-6 years and he'll be near retirement.

 

Don't even get me started on Kerry Wood or Kevin Garnett..

 

Their oldness makes me feel old. :?

 

Just wait until you hear about a player that ought to retire because he's so old and he's the same age or younger than you are.

[Jehrico]

I don't think we land Arod without Aramis being part of the deal.

 

ARod wouldn't cost us 20 per year. I don't think NYs on the hook for that much after Texas kicks in a little to compensate. I could see NY kicking in another 3 per year and dropping that salary to around $15-18 per year if they got back someone like Aramis.

[radarluv1]

i'm guessing texas really wants arod to opt out. i just dont see a trade happening w/o a 3b going to the yanks. scott moore just wont cut it.

[hardcorecubfan]

to throw gas on the flames, if we were to get him and you are a guy like D-Lee who has better # than ARam and close to ARod how much would he ask for when his contract comes up?

[daske17]

From Jayson Starktoday:

 

A friend of Alex Rodriguez tells us he would be willing to bet A-Rod doesn't opt out of his contract after this season. "He may ask for an extension," the friend said. "But I don't think he'll opt out."

[CarolinaCubFan]

Arod, although not a Cub, is my favorite player. I've read everything I can find on him for the past couple of years. I think he's a Cub by mid season. I read earlier this year, he's content with his bank account, he's made a ton of money and wants 2 things. To win a Championship and to have fun playing the game he loves.

 

He's in total control of his destiny. Jeter makes his life miserable and if the Yanks implode, which I feel there is a good chance of this, I don't see him sticking it out in NY. If Arod opts out at the end of the season, the Yanks get nothing for one of the best players in the game, and if they do find a trade they like, he can veto it. He's got them by the balls. Sweet Lou is the Ace in the hole and we've got a team that can compete. The two things Arod wants, to be happy and the chance to win a Championship.

 

I don't think it'll cost us Zambrano or $20M a season. Then again, I'm in the same boat as Goony, I've been looking for this for a long time.

[Amazing_Grace]

Arod, although not a Cub, is my favorite player. I've read everything I can find on him for the past couple of years. I think he's a Cub by mid season. I read earlier this year, he's content with his bank account, he's made a ton of money and wants 2 things. To win a Championship and to have fun playing the game he loves.

 

He's in total control of his destiny. Jeter makes his life miserable and if the Yanks implode, which I feel there is a good chance of this, I don't see him sticking it out in NY. If Arod opts out at the end of the season, the Yanks get nothing for one of the best players in the game, and if they do find a trade they like, he can veto it. He's got them by the balls. Sweet Lou is the Ace in the hole and we've got a team that can compete. The two things Arod wants, to be happy and the chance to win a Championship.

 

I don't think it'll cost us Zambrano or $20M a season. Then again, I'm in the same boat as Goony, I've been looking for this for a long time.

 

He does indeed have NY by the balls. This situation is rather similar to Nomar in that the guy is persona non grata for the team he's on and he has a NTC, plus he has the option to opt out at the end of the season, making his position about as strong as it can possibly be. His team is left with the unpleasant choice of keeping a disgruntled but productive player around or finding some team that he'll agree to be traded to and get the best deal they can. Remember how little the Cubs ended up giving up for Nomar. Though the trade was complicated with 3 teams involved, the Cubs basically ended up giving up Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, and AGonz for Nomar and Matt Murton. That was a good deal.

 

Only time will tell. A lot will depend on what happens during this season. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that ARod could be traded here midseason, but I think it would require a complicated 3 way similar to the ARod deal where the Yankees ended up with a 3b in the deal. I don't think the Cubs would, or should, or ultimately would have to trade Ramirez to get ARod. With the comparative ages of the two players, it just doesn't make much sense to me. I think the most likely scenario still is that ARod keeps his contract and demands a trade.

[David]

to throw gas on the flames, if we were to get him and you are a guy like D-Lee who has better # than ARam and close to ARod how much would he ask for when his contract comes up?

 

DLee has better numbers than ARam? and close to ARod?

 

One season, sure. Let's see if he ever does that again. I sure hope so, but for the most part, those statements are inaccurate.

[goonys evil twin]

to throw gas on the flames, if we were to get him and you are a guy like D-Lee who has better # than ARam and close to ARod how much would he ask for when his contract comes up?

 

DLee has better numbers than ARam? and close to ARod?

 

One season, sure. Let's see if he ever does that again. I sure hope so, but for the most part, those statements are inaccurate.

 

Plus, there are 4 more years until Lee's contract runs out. I'd probably be content to let him walk by then, unless he's signing for relatively cheap. He'll be 35 when his next contract starts.

[BigbadB]

Why prolong the inevitable? We have a tremendous hole at SS. Get it done, Jim.

[Backtobanks]

How about a three way trade with Texas and the Yankees.

 

Cubs: get ARod

 

Texas: get J. Jones, Scott Moore, Marshall

 

Yankees: get Blalock, Eyre

 

Obviously it might need to get tweaked a bit with other players and/or money, but this could be the basis for a trade.

[Coach C]

Man, if ARod comes here, the Cubs 1-5 on the lineup would be freaking amazing....

[A New Era]

I don't think it will happen. But man, it's nice to think about.

 

Common Mcdunnough. You said "we will win a world series". Get those purse strings untied even more. Common, bump us to $150 mil, you know you can do it! :wink:

[BigbadB]

How about a three way trade with Texas and the Yankees.

 

Cubs: get ARod

 

Texas: get J. Jones, Scott Moore, Marshall

 

Yankees: get Blalock, Eyre

 

Obviously it might need to get tweaked a bit with other players and/or money, but this could be the basis for a trade.

 

That would be pretty sweet. But, it's not likely.

[CarolinaCubFan]

Arod, although not a Cub, is my favorite player. I've read everything I can find on him for the past couple of years. I think he's a Cub by mid season. I read earlier this year, he's content with his bank account, he's made a ton of money and wants 2 things. To win a Championship and to have fun playing the game he loves.

 

He's in total control of his destiny. Jeter makes his life miserable and if the Yanks implode, which I feel there is a good chance of this, I don't see him sticking it out in NY. If Arod opts out at the end of the season, the Yanks get nothing for one of the best players in the game, and if they do find a trade they like, he can veto it. He's got them by the balls. Sweet Lou is the Ace in the hole and we've got a team that can compete. The two things Arod wants, to be happy and the chance to win a Championship.

 

I don't think it'll cost us Zambrano or $20M a season. Then again, I'm in the same boat as Goony, I've been looking for this for a long time.

 

He does indeed have NY by the balls. This situation is rather similar to Nomar in that the guy is persona non grata for the team he's on and he has a NTC, plus he has the option to opt out at the end of the season, making his position about as strong as it can possibly be. His team is left with the unpleasant choice of keeping a disgruntled but productive player around or finding some team that he'll agree to be traded to and get the best deal they can. Remember how little the Cubs ended up giving up for Nomar. Though the trade was complicated with 3 teams involved, the Cubs basically ended up giving up Brendan Harris, Justin Jones, and AGonz for Nomar and Matt Murton. That was a good deal.

 

Only time will tell. A lot will depend on what happens during this season. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that ARod could be traded here midseason, but I think it would require a complicated 3 way similar to the ARod deal where the Yankees ended up with a 3b in the deal. I don't think the Cubs would, or should, or ultimately would have to trade Ramirez to get ARod. With the comparative ages of the two players, it just doesn't make much sense to me. I think the most likely scenario still is that ARod keeps his contract and demands a trade.

 

This Jeter and Arod thing has been a disaster from the start. Arod was the best SS in the game, but graciously moved to 3B in hopes of winning a championship. You'd think that a world class Captain like Jeter, who is a team guy, would have at least "offered" to change positions. Arod puts up monster numbers each season, but it's been nothing but drama since his arrival. Jeter makes politically correct statements, but has never once sincerelly stuck up for him. Jeter can do no wrong in NY and he's not letting Arod be a part of his click. Didn't Giambi even come down kind of hard on him last season?

 

The "friends" thing that came out a couple weeks ago, I think was Arod saying politely that he and Jeter can't stand each other. I think he's getting fed up with the crap he's had to deal with since becoming one of Jeter's Yankees. He's already made a ton of money, and still will for as long as he plays. I think at this point in his career, happiness is worth more than the $$ he's going to loose.

[CarolinaCubFan]

How about a three way trade with Texas and the Yankees.

 

Cubs: get ARod

 

Texas: get J. Jones, Scott Moore, Marshall

 

Yankees: get Blalock, Eyre

 

Obviously it might need to get tweaked a bit with other players and/or money, but this could be the basis for a trade.

 

That would be pretty sweet. But, it's not likely.

 

I know it's against the rules, but...

 

If Arod and Lou are as close as they say, it's had to have been discussed casually. Lou and Hendry talk. If there is anyway of this happening, the Cubs are in a great position.

 

If Arod forces the issue, the Yanks don't have much leverage to work with. I don't know if that 3 way could work, but I could see something similar. I guess it all really depends on how well the Yanks play.

[Wrigley Rat]

Has anyone brought up that his contract is partially being paid for by the Rangers? He waived his NTC in 2/04, allowing trade to NY with 7 years/$183M remaining. Texas agreed to pay remaining $4M in signing bonus & $67M of remaining $179M in salary. New York agreed to pay $112 of the remaining $179M in salary. That means, on average, the Cubs would only be trading for $112 million dollars over 7 seasons from 2004-2010. He has already played 2004-2006 (and most likely will play one more season in NY). That would be 2007-2010 at about $18 million per season if you assume $9 million has been subtracted each year.

 

If I were ARod, I wouldn't opt out of that when you can request a trade to the Cubs getting the Yankees some players, the Cubs get a discounted salary, and ARod gets his whole salary. Only Texas continues to suffer.

[CubsInNC]

Has anyone brought up that his contract is partially being paid for by the Rangers? He waived his NTC in 2/04, allowing trade to NY with 7 years/$183M remaining. Texas agreed to pay remaining $4M in signing bonus & $67M of remaining $179M in salary. New York agreed to pay $112 of the remaining $179M in salary. That means, on average, the Cubs would only be trading for $112 million dollars over 7 seasons from 2004-2010. He has already played 2004-2006 (and most likely will play one more season in NY). That would be 2007-2010 at about $18 million per season if you assume $9 million has been subtracted each year.

 

If I were ARod, I wouldn't opt out of that when you can request a trade to the Cubs getting the Yankees some players, the Cubs get a discounted salary, and ARod gets his whole salary. Only Texas continues to suffer.

 

Basically, he's getting paid $108mil total from this season through 2010. Although in 2001 he agreed to defer $4mil/yr for 2007 & 2008, and $5mil/yr for 2009 and 2010. So, he's down to $23mil-$23mil-$22mil-$22mil for the seasons 2007-2010. *If* Texas's contributions to the salary after paying deferred money, are evenly distributed, that brings A-Rod down to a cost to any team of $17mil-$17mil-$16mil-$16mil for the 2007-2010 time frame. If the Yankees raise his salary for 2009 and 2010 $5mil/yr (their cost of $21mil) he doesn't get to opt out. To me, that's almost a feasible thing for them to do.

[NCCubFan]

How about a three way trade with Texas and the Yankees.

 

Cubs: get ARod

 

Texas: get J. Jones, Scott Moore, Marshall

 

Yankees: get Blalock, Eyre

 

Obviously it might need to get tweaked a bit with other players and/or money, but this could be the basis for a trade.

Cubs trade Jones, Moore, Marshall, and Eyre, and get Arod? Sign me up. :D

[jjgman21]

Has anyone brought up that his contract is partially being paid for by the Rangers? He waived his NTC in 2/04, allowing trade to NY with 7 years/$183M remaining. Texas agreed to pay remaining $4M in signing bonus & $67M of remaining $179M in salary. New York agreed to pay $112 of the remaining $179M in salary. That means, on average, the Cubs would only be trading for $112 million dollars over 7 seasons from 2004-2010. He has already played 2004-2006 (and most likely will play one more season in NY). That would be 2007-2010 at about $18 million per season if you assume $9 million has been subtracted each year.

 

If I were ARod, I wouldn't opt out of that when you can request a trade to the Cubs getting the Yankees some players, the Cubs get a discounted salary, and ARod gets his whole salary. Only Texas continues to suffer.

 

Basically, he's getting paid $108mil total from this season through 2010. Although in 2001 he agreed to defer $4mil/yr for 2007 & 2008, and $5mil/yr for 2009 and 2010. So, he's down to $23mil-$23mil-$22mil-$22mil for the seasons 2007-2010. *If* Texas's contributions to the salary after paying deferred money, are evenly distributed, that brings A-Rod down to a cost to any team of $17mil-$17mil-$16mil-$16mil for the 2007-2010 time frame. If the Yankees raise his salary for 2009 and 2010 $5mil/yr (their cost of $21mil) he doesn't get to opt out. To me, that's almost a feasible thing for them to do.

 

http://www.rangerfans.com/roster/former/alex_rodriguez.html

[Amazing_Grace]

How about a three way trade with Texas and the Yankees.

 

Cubs: get ARod

 

Texas: get J. Jones, Scott Moore, Marshall

 

Yankees: get Blalock, Eyre

 

Obviously it might need to get tweaked a bit with other players and/or money, but this could be the basis for a trade.

 

Sounds good if Texas and NY would bite. I think the Cubs would have to give up a better prospect than Moore to go with Marshall, and maybe a starter to the Yankees instead of a LOOGY.

 

Might the Marlins be moving Cabrera this season? I could see something like Yanks getting Cabrera, Jones, Cubs get ARod, Marlins get Scott Moore, Angel Guzman, + prospects from the Yankees.