Notes from the NFL Combine

[dew1679666265]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

Agreed, Young has a ways to go in the professional passing game, while he developed a passing game in his senior year of college rather quickly, but that 6.7 YPC rushing will go a long way towards easing growing pains for the titans

 

Oh yeah, he may be better at running the ball now than Steve McNair was in his first couple of years. Steve was a better passer though.

Also, something that gives me more hope for Vince is that he struggled a year or two in college and then improved his junior year and broke out his senior year (technically beginning in the junior Rose Bowl visit). So it may take three to four years, but I am very confident he'll become at least another McNair.

[CuseCubFan69]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

From the little of what I've seen of Russell he looks more like a big guy running the ball than he is athletic.

 

Russell has some very nice stats but when you play for a big time school like LSU you often have a good line and good receivers and sometimes that skews the numbers. I like his arm but once you get to the NFL you have to be able to make those short passes with touch and be able to read the defense and I'd like to how he does in those catergories.

[dew1679666265]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

From the little of what I've seen of Russell he looks more like a big guy running the ball than he is athletic.

 

Russell has some very nice stats but when you play for a big time school like LSU you often have a good line and good receivers and sometimes that skews the numbers. I like his arm but once you get to the NFL you have to be able to make those short passes with touch and be able to read the defense and I'd like to how he does in those catergories.

 

I agree he is not worth the #1 pick and still has ALOT of developing to do. In that regard though, he's similar to Vince in that both can make the easy throws but both also struggle making the tough ones.

Russell is just better at making the tough ones when he's on. And as for his athleticism, he'll never outrun or outjuke Vince, but from what I've seen he's very athletic.

[cubweiser03]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Ok, that's more like it. Nelson is a top-20 prospect.

[KaiserCesar]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Good time for the best cover safety in the draft.

[dew1679666265]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Good time for the best cover safety in the draft.

 

I still like Landry better overall, but this time solidifies Nelson as a mid to late (and possibly early depending on need) first rounder and the second safety taken.

[rawaction]

Wow. This is a huge boost in his stock. I didn't put Nelson into my top 25, but this probably makes him a legit top 15.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow. This is a huge boost in his stock. I didn't put Nelson into my top 25, but this probably makes him a legit top 15.

 

I told ya! 8-)

[KaiserCesar]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Good time for the best cover safety in the draft.

 

I still like Landry better overall, but this time solidifies Nelson as a mid to late (and possibly early depending on need) first rounder and the second safety taken.

 

Depends on the need for the defensive scheme. This reinforces Nelson's image and anyone looking for a safety who is very strong in coverage would be advised to go with Nelson.

[dew1679666265]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Good time for the best cover safety in the draft.

 

I still like Landry better overall, but this time solidifies Nelson as a mid to late (and possibly early depending on need) first rounder and the second safety taken.

 

Depends on the need for the defensive scheme. This reinforces Nelson's image and anyone looking for a safety who is very strong in coverage would be advised to go with Nelson.

 

True. But I don't think Landry's coverage skills are that much worse than Nelson.

[KaiserCesar]

Ok um....this is quite a change from the combine...

Florida safety Reggie Nelson ran a 4.35 forty at Florida's Pro Day Wednesday.

 

Good time for the best cover safety in the draft.

 

I still like Landry better overall, but this time solidifies Nelson as a mid to late (and possibly early depending on need) first rounder and the second safety taken.

 

Depends on the need for the defensive scheme. This reinforces Nelson's image and anyone looking for a safety who is very strong in coverage would be advised to go with Nelson.

 

True. But I don't think Landry's coverage skills are that much worse than Nelson.

 

From what I have read they are each good at different types of coverage. Nelson can man-up like a corner if needed while Landry is good in zone coverage and can make a big play. Once again, it all comes down to scheme.

[shnsajax]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

Agreed, Young has a ways to go in the professional passing game, while he developed a passing game in his senior year of college rather quickly, but that 6.7 YPC rushing will go a long way towards easing growing pains for the titans

 

Oh yeah, he may be better at running the ball now than Steve McNair was in his first couple of years. Steve was a better passer though.

Also, something that gives me more hope for Vince is that he struggled a year or two in college and then improved his junior year and broke out his senior year (technically beginning in the junior Rose Bowl visit). So it may take three to four years, but I am very confident he'll become at least another McNair.

 

It wasn't until the Kansas game his junior year that it really began to click for him. Up until that point most NFL scouts were looking at him as a WR. Its really hard to imagine that now.

[KaiserCesar]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

Agreed, Young has a ways to go in the professional passing game, while he developed a passing game in his senior year of college rather quickly, but that 6.7 YPC rushing will go a long way towards easing growing pains for the titans

 

Oh yeah, he may be better at running the ball now than Steve McNair was in his first couple of years. Steve was a better passer though.

Also, something that gives me more hope for Vince is that he struggled a year or two in college and then improved his junior year and broke out his senior year (technically beginning in the junior Rose Bowl visit). So it may take three to four years, but I am very confident he'll become at least another McNair.

 

It wasn't until the Kansas game his junior year that it really began to click for him. Up until that point most NFL scouts were looking at him as a WR. Its really hard to imagine that now.

 

Not really related, but more on the 1 game creating an image for players. I've been thinking that if JR has lost the sugar bowl and OSU had won the nat'l championship, Smith and Russell's current draft projections would be swapped.

[CubColtPacer]

I like Quinn better than Russell obviously, but I found this comment very strange.

 

John Clayton on an interview on WTAE Radio in Pittsburgh - "If a team needs a QB and passes on Quinn, that's just stupidity."

 

I like Quinn and think he's the most sure thing of the QBs, but that blanket statement is a little too much in my opinion.

 

I fully expect Quinn to have the better career. But he can't touch Russell talent wise.

 

I see this as a situation similar to last year's with Leinart and Vince. Leinart was more of a sure thing, Vince had far more upside (but was less likely to be good).

 

Except Young's upside came from unbelievable athleticism that Russel doesn't have at all.

 

Russell is definitely very athletic, he just doesn't use it in the same way Vince does. Russell can be a very good thrower when he's on, Vince is frankly bad most of the time throwing the ball. Thus, Russell doesn't have the need to show his athleticism as often as Vince does.

The #1 problem with Russell is his inconsistency and oftentimes poor decision-making. Vince, on the other hand, while a bad passer (though I've seen signs of him getting better slowly) makes the plays late in a game when he needs to. The run against the Texans in OT, the run against the Bills late in the fourth, multiple third down completions to keep drives alive.

Russell is the better pure QB right now, but he's less consistent and falls apart when he struggles early.

 

Agreed, Young has a ways to go in the professional passing game, while he developed a passing game in his senior year of college rather quickly, but that 6.7 YPC rushing will go a long way towards easing growing pains for the titans

 

Oh yeah, he may be better at running the ball now than Steve McNair was in his first couple of years. Steve was a better passer though.

Also, something that gives me more hope for Vince is that he struggled a year or two in college and then improved his junior year and broke out his senior year (technically beginning in the junior Rose Bowl visit). So it may take three to four years, but I am very confident he'll become at least another McNair.

 

It wasn't until the Kansas game his junior year that it really began to click for him. Up until that point most NFL scouts were looking at him as a WR. Its really hard to imagine that now.

 

Not really related, but more on the 1 game creating an image for players. I've been thinking that if JR has lost the sugar bowl and OSU had won the nat'l championship, Smith and Russell's current draft projections would be swapped.

 

I don't think so-Russell would have been lower, but even when Smith was winning the Heisman in December people were saying he was a 2nd round pick because of how short he is-a great performance against Florida wouldn't have changed that significantly.

[Derwood]

i agree. Smith isn't built like a prototypical NFL QB, whereas Russell is a man-beast back there.

 

NFL Network broke down some Russell tape the other night and I was pretty impressed. He can throw 35 yard passes on a frozen rope and can drop passes into double teams at times. Of course they were showing highlights so it wasn't necessarily the fairest picture of him, but I think he will be around in the NFL way longer than Troy

[KaiserCesar]

i agree. Smith isn't built like a prototypical NFL QB, whereas Russell is a man-beast back there.

 

NFL Network broke down some Russell tape the other night and I was pretty impressed. He can throw 35 yard passes on a frozen rope and can drop passes into double teams at times. Of course they were showing highlights so it wasn't necessarily the fairest picture of him, but I think he will be around in the NFL way longer than Troy

 

I definitely think Russell is better than Smith, but there are aspects of Smith's game the media could get enamored with.