The Bears Offseason Thread

[Soul]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

 

I think it would be tough for Angelo to make the original deal considering he already rejected it. If he can convince Snyder to throw in Mcintosh that would be ideal.

 

It really all depends if he thinks Briggs is bluffing or not.

 

I really believe that during the recent meeting between Briggs and Angelo, Jerry promised to continue to listen to trade offers and so I think he will do so. But I think it's important to remember that, according to league rules, Briggs is supposed to be "worth" 2 1st round picks straight up. I believe Jerry has that in the back of his mind --- a straight-up swap of 1st rounders, while it might be the best we can get, is way less than what the franchise rules say we should get.

 

Two things with this argument:

 

1)The franchise rules were designed to protect the absolute best of the best. It makes sense-design the rules so that teams can get fair compensation if another team signs the very best free agent, and then teams can bargain down from there through trades for less than the best of the best. There are a lot of questions about if Briggs is great (many people think he's just very good) but even if the point is conceded that he's great, I don't think anybody would put him in the category of the top 3 or 4 players in the game, and those are the players who two first rounders are supposed to be fair compensation for.

2) Taking some draft economics, the Redskins offer is just about equal to two first round picks. One of the teams that has been very interested in Briggs is the Patriots. So what are the differences between this Redskins trade and the Patriots just out and out signing him?

 

Redskins 6 pick (1600 points)-Bears 31 pick=1000 points.

Patriots 24 pick (740) plus Patriots 60 pick (a first rounder next year is equal to a second rounder this year=300)=1040.

 

There's not much difference, and the Redskins offer would have actually been better than the Patriots signing Briggs if the Patriots hadn't received a higher first rounder from Seattle this year that they would have to give up.

 

Understood. Personally, I think Jerry's close to pulling the trigger on the Washington deal but just wants a little extra sweetener, which I understand (from a draft pick perspective) the Skins might simply not have. I wonder if he would consider a mid-rounder *next* year, and then do the deal...

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't think it's about whether or not you think Briggs is bluffing. It's about making the best move for your team. A deal should only be made if you think it makes you a better team. If some team makes an offer for Urlacher that improves the Bears, they should make that trade too. The possibility that Briggs may never suit up for the Bears again is just icing on the cake.

 

I understand what you are saying but the risk that he sits out the season is a real one and something that should be considered. I doubt they would be considering trading him right now if he had generally agreed to play as a franchise player this year.

 

I think the Bears preference is that he plays for them this year. They are seeking to trade him because of his threat to never play for them again.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't even know what I want to have happen tomorrow.

 

Yeah, I have no idea either. Should be really interesting.

[rawaction]

I don't even know what I want to have happen tomorrow.

 

 

All I do know is I want the offensive line to be upgraded. Since they don't really need a starter to come in right away, they can get away with waiting for later rounds. But ideally I'd like to see both a guard and a tackle selected at some point, and preferably a guard who is capable of handling center duty.

 

Plus, it would be cool to have more than 4 picks in the first 4 rounds.

 

That's how I am for the most part. I wouldn't mind them drafting every position except DE and possibly CB, if they move Danieal.

[rawaction]

I don't think it's about whether or not you think Briggs is bluffing. It's about making the best move for your team. A deal should only be made if you think it makes you a better team. If some team makes an offer for Urlacher that improves the Bears, they should make that trade too. The possibility that Briggs may never suit up for the Bears again is just icing on the cake.

 

I understand what you are saying but the risk that he sits out the season is a real one and something that should be considered. I doubt they would be considering trading him right now if he had generally agreed to play as a franchise player this year.

 

I think the Bears preference is that he plays for them this year. They are seeking to trade him because of his threat to never play for them again.

 

Agreed. That is why they are trying to trade him, but that shouldn't mean they take a less than desirable deal for him. I know full well they won't get 2 1st rounders. They probably won't even get what he is fully worth. But they aren't gonna draft a player as good as Briggs so, the Redskins deal (which is essentially a 2-for-1 deal for the Skins) isn't good enough.

[Banedon]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

[Chocolate Milk]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

 

Lndry please. Though wouldn't be upset about getting any of those guys.

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

 

Lndry please. Though wouldn't be upset about getting any of those guys.

 

Landry please. I don't want Quinn at all, and I don't really see the point in picking Peterson. I want Benson to get a chance. Peterson, in my opinion, is just a waste of cap space when we could've landed a position that we needed.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

 

Lndry please. Though wouldn't be upset about getting any of those guys.

 

Landry please. I don't want Quinn at all, and I don't really see the point in picking Peterson. I want Benson to get a chance. Peterson, in my opinion, is just a waste of cap space when we could've landed a position that we needed.

 

Yeah, I didn't see the point in drafting Benson when they did, and now that he's lined up to be the starter, I don't see the point again. Although I would like to see a mid round back taken.

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

 

Lndry please. Though wouldn't be upset about getting any of those guys.

 

Landry please. I don't want Quinn at all, and I don't really see the point in picking Peterson. I want Benson to get a chance. Peterson, in my opinion, is just a waste of cap space when we could've landed a position that we needed.

 

Yeah, I didn't see the point in drafting Benson when they did, and now that he's lined up to be the starter, I don't see the point again. Although I would like to see a mid round back taken.

 

I agree. I'd like to see that too. Even if the Bears don't trade up or even if they trade out of the first round, their first two or three picks have to focus on WR, OL, and S.

[da bears]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/358983,CST-SPT-mully26.article

 

The Bears aren't against the idea of trading Briggs. What's clear from comments general manager Jerry Angelo made Tuesday is that they love the idea of trading out of the first round. If they were to rekindle the Washington deal, Angelo said they have a player they could pick at No. 6, believed to be LSU safety LaRon Landry. The No. 6 pick also could be in play for Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn or Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson should either of them fall.

 

I think we can all agree tomorrow is gonna be really interesting.

[Soriano12]

Angelo likes Landry...hmmmmm

[Chocolate Milk]

Landry roaming the secondary would be terrifying. He hurts people and he's fast.

[rawaction]

Landry roaming the secondary would be terrifying. He hurts people and he's fast.

 

If healthy, with Landry and if Briggs is replaced adequately.....the Bears could have the best defense they've had since 1985.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Landry roaming the secondary would be terrifying. He hurts people and he's fast.

 

The thought of Landry and a healthy Mike Brown back there together makes me drool. =P~

[Soul]

Just an opinion, but I don't think we'd miss Briggs that much with Landry back there. Wow, he's friggin special. We'd lose a pretty good linebacker but gain a godly headhunter.

[Banedon]

I know it's popular opinion that if we get #6 we should trade down and all, and I understand the wisdom of that....

 

But I gotta be honest. I want Landry.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I know it's popular opinion that if we get #6 we should trade down and all, and I understand the wisdom of that....

 

But I gotta be honest. I want Landry.

 

Yes. I don't know how big of a stretch it is to get the 6 and net Landry, but that paragraph about Angelo liking Landry really gets me excited.

[Outshined_One]

I know it's popular opinion that if we get #6 we should trade down and all, and I understand the wisdom of that....

 

But I gotta be honest. I want Landry.

 

Yes. I don't know how big of a stretch it is to get the 6 and net Landry, but that paragraph about Angelo liking Landry really gets me excited.

 

The parts about Angelo liking Quinn and Peterson has me skeptical about the veracity of that article, though.

[Banedon]

I know it's popular opinion that if we get #6 we should trade down and all, and I understand the wisdom of that....

 

But I gotta be honest. I want Landry.

 

Yes. I don't know how big of a stretch it is to get the 6 and net Landry, but that paragraph about Angelo liking Landry really gets me excited.

 

The parts about Angelo liking Quinn and Peterson has me skeptical about the veracity of that article, though.

 

Maybe Quinn and Peterson simply for trade purposes?

[da bears]

Well, John Clayton just reported that trade talks are dead between the Bears and Redskins. Not sure what to think of that.

[Soul]

Well, John Clayton just reported that trade talks are dead between the Bears and Redskins. Not sure what to think of that.

 

Of all the ESPN analysts, I have grown to trust Clayton the most. FWIW.

[BigSlick]

Well, John Clayton just reported that trade talks are dead between the Bears and Redskins. Not sure what to think of that.

 

Of all the ESPN analysts, I have grown to trust Clayton the most. FWIW.

 

Considering his appearance as some sort of extraterrestrial, I trust his information as well.

 

I'm fine with the Bears standing pat with their picks right now. I don't think they are getting value on Briggs. And if we have to let him sit through training camp and then come back for the regular season, so be it. It may be worth our respect in the eyes of GM's of other NFL Franchises that we will not settle for a trade because we need to make one.

 

Angelo rarely gets ripped off.

[Chocolate Milk]

Gosselin's final mock has the Bears taking Jarrett. The link is in the draft thread.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Gosselin's final mock has the Bears taking Jarrett. The link is in the draft thread.

 

please please please please please