The Bears Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

grossman will be seeing merriman in his sleep if he doesn't develop some kind of pocket awareness in the meantime.

 

I don't think he's going to get the chance to pound Grossman. I see Turner coming out with a huge, heavy dose of Benson in this game to prove a point starting the '07 season. And I see Turner instituting more shotgun, too. He's said he will look into that. I think he's going to do it.

 

 

Shotgun doesn't prevent pressure.

[brinoch]

grossman will be seeing merriman in his sleep if he doesn't develop some kind of pocket awareness in the meantime.

 

I don't think he's going to get the chance to pound Grossman. I see Turner coming out with a huge, heavy dose of Benson in this game to prove a point starting the '07 season. And I see Turner instituting more shotgun, too. He's said he will look into that. I think he's going to do it.

 

 

Shotgun doesn't prevent pressure.

 

But well-executed screens and draws can.

 

Even better is the ability of the line and the running back to absorb the pressure and give the QB the opportunity to exploit the inevitable openings in the defense.

[Soul]

grossman will be seeing merriman in his sleep if he doesn't develop some kind of pocket awareness in the meantime.

 

I don't think he's going to get the chance to pound Grossman. I see Turner coming out with a huge, heavy dose of Benson in this game to prove a point starting the '07 season. And I see Turner instituting more shotgun, too. He's said he will look into that. I think he's going to do it.

 

 

Shotgun doesn't prevent pressure.

 

It helps the QB see better, and hence respond to pressure better. It's used that way all the time.

[Jon]

AP[/url]"]Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher was fined $100,000 by the NFL for wearing a cap during Super Bowl media day that promoted a sponsor not authorized by the league.

 

NFL rules prohibit gear that advertises any product but a designated sponsor, league spokesman Brian McCarthy said Wednesday.

 

Urlacher was fined for drinking vitaminwater and wearing a vitaminwater hat during the media session in Miami leading to the title game. Gatorade is the NFL's official drink.

 

McCarthy said this is the first time such a fine has been levied. He added that $100,000 is the standard fine for such a violation at the Super Bowl. A violation during the regular season is $10,000. It is $50,000 at the Pro Bowl.

$100,000!?!

[jersey cubs fan]

AP[/url]"]Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher was fined $100,000 by the NFL for wearing a cap during Super Bowl media day that promoted a sponsor not authorized by the league.

 

NFL rules prohibit gear that advertises any product but a designated sponsor, league spokesman Brian McCarthy said Wednesday.

 

Urlacher was fined for drinking vitaminwater and wearing a vitaminwater hat during the media session in Miami leading to the title game. Gatorade is the NFL's official drink.

 

McCarthy said this is the first time such a fine has been levied. He added that $100,000 is the standard fine for such a violation at the Super Bowl. A violation during the regular season is $10,000. It is $50,000 at the Pro Bowl.

$100,000!?!

 

How could it be teh standard fine for such a violation, while at the same time being the first such fine ever levied? The NFL is insane with it's uniform policies.

[Soriano12]

This crap is getting out of control. How about worying about:

 

 

1 - Getting Full Time officials

2 - Fixing the pension plan for old NFL veterans.

[CDBears1259]

ABSURD!!!

[Coach C]

I doubt Urlacher gives a shart, as long as vitamin water paid him double that to wear the hat.

[BigbadB]

I hope Urlacher was paid $200,000 to wear the hat and drink the drink. He nets $100,000. :D

[MPC]

by fining urlacher, the nfl is creating more attention and coverage for vitamin water than urlacher's hat every did at the super bowl.

[Magnetic Curses]

grossman will be seeing merriman in his sleep if he doesn't develop some kind of pocket awareness in the meantime.

 

I don't think he's going to get the chance to pound Grossman. I see Turner coming out with a huge, heavy dose of Benson in this game to prove a point starting the '07 season. And I see Turner instituting more shotgun, too. He's said he will look into that. I think he's going to do it.

 

 

Shotgun doesn't prevent pressure.

 

But well-executed screens and draws can.

 

Even better is the ability of the line and the running back to absorb the pressure and give the QB the opportunity to exploit the inevitable openings in the defense.

 

the line and the RB have to protect the QB whether or not he's in the shotgun. and it won't ensure him enough time for inevitable holes in the defense to open up.

 

i believe in curses, but not the magic shotgun.

[Banedon]

i believe in curses, but not the magic shotgun.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Picky about your superstitions, eh?

[brinoch]

grossman will be seeing merriman in his sleep if he doesn't develop some kind of pocket awareness in the meantime.

 

I don't think he's going to get the chance to pound Grossman. I see Turner coming out with a huge, heavy dose of Benson in this game to prove a point starting the '07 season. And I see Turner instituting more shotgun, too. He's said he will look into that. I think he's going to do it.

 

 

Shotgun doesn't prevent pressure.

 

But well-executed screens and draws can.

 

Even better is the ability of the line and the running back to absorb the pressure and give the QB the opportunity to exploit the inevitable openings in the defense.

 

the line and the RB have to protect the QB whether or not he's in the shotgun. and it won't ensure him enough time for inevitable holes in the defense to open up.

 

i believe in curses, but not the magic shotgun.

 

I agree. Hence my statement about the line and the RB.

[Soul]

i believe in curses, but not the magic shotgun.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Picky about your superstitions, eh?

 

Haha, that was cute.

 

I still think the Bears go more shotgun. And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward. Obviously the vast majority of plays will be dropbacks.

 

What I really want to see is Benson becoming the back he was drafted to be.

[Banedon]

i believe in curses, but not the magic shotgun.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Picky about your superstitions, eh?

 

Haha, that was cute.

 

I still think the Bears go more shotgun. And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward. Obviously the vast majority of plays will be dropbacks.

 

What I really want to see is Benson becoming the back he was drafted to be.

 

Can we start a pool on the number of dropped shotgun snaps this season?

[jersey cubs fan]

And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward.

 

The shotgun does not do that. The regular snap gives you the ball instantly with eyes forward. The shotgun forces the QB to focus on catching the ball first, which takes a little time to get there.

[jersey cubs fan]

by fining urlacher, the nfl is creating more attention and coverage for vitamin water than urlacher's hat every did at the super bowl.

 

Haugh wrote an article in the Trib basically about this part of it. But he refused to name "the drink" as some sort of high and mighty stance against commercialism. He did mention the NFL's official drink several times, however.

 

He also said Urlacher invested in Vitamin Water. I'm wondering if his $100,000 fine was backed up by an equal ownership stake in the company.

[Soriano12]

Vitamin Water is some good stuff, if I may say so.

[Soul]

And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward.

 

The shotgun does not do that. The regular snap gives you the ball instantly with eyes forward. The shotgun forces the QB to focus on catching the ball first, which takes a little time to get there.

 

You keep saying the shotgun doesn't help with pass rush. Many others besides me disagree:

 

http://www.pe.com/sports/college/usc/stories/PE_Sports_Local_D_usc_fb_notes_28.3c9b91b.html

 

What Booty likes about the shotgun, he said, is how it can help the quarterback read the pass rush.

 

"You can see it and you can feel it," he said. "You very seldom get blindsided in the shotgun."

 

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=3255

 

“It’s just a little bit different pass rush for the defensive ends. They don’t know exactly where I’m going to line up. If someone does happen to come free, I will be able to maneuver out of the way a lot easier just by having my feet set rather than dropping back and then having to escape.

 

“There are a lot of benefits to it and I’m excited about using it.”

 

http://www.cowboysplus.com/classic/webspecials/landry/landryinnov.htm

 

Landry also had a mobile quarterback in Roger Staubach, but his runs were off scrambles, not by design. The Shotgun allowed the quarterback to view the entire field from the snap of the ball. He could see the pass rushers, the rush lanes, blitzers and coverages.

 

Landry was one of the guys who brought the shotgun back, and one of the benefits he used it for was to get the QB the ball immediately, 5 yards back instanteously.

 

Sorry goons, but the shotgun has been used for this purpose for a long time. I'm not saying it's the cure all or even that it will help Grossman, but it is, in fact, a tactic used to help QBs recognize and respond to the pass rush, in addition to some other benefits. I personally *believe* it will help Grossman some, but that of course remains to be seen.

[jersey cubs fan]

And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward.

 

The shotgun does not do that. The regular snap gives you the ball instantly with eyes forward. The shotgun forces the QB to focus on catching the ball first, which takes a little time to get there.

 

You keep saying the shotgun doesn't help with pass rush. Many others besides me disagree:

 

Did you seriously not read a word I wrote?

 

You claimed you get the ball instantly with eyes down field. I refuted that theory. You get the ball later than you'd get it in a regular snap, and your eyes are not down field while you're tracking the ball into your hands.

 

I don't care if they use the shotgun or not. It's not going to be the difference between this offense moving from middle of the road to elite. Grossman's overall improvement, Benson's development and improving the line will determine that.

[Soul]

And I still think it will offer some additional help by giving Grossman the ball instantly with his eyes forward.

 

The shotgun does not do that. The regular snap gives you the ball instantly with eyes forward. The shotgun forces the QB to focus on catching the ball first, which takes a little time to get there.

 

You keep saying the shotgun doesn't help with pass rush. Many others besides me disagree:

 

Did you seriously not read a word I wrote?

 

You claimed you get the ball instantly with eyes down field. I refuted that theory. You get the ball later than you'd get it in a regular snap, and your eyes are not down field while you're tracking the ball into your hands.

 

I don't care if they use the shotgun or not. It's not going to be the difference between this offense moving from middle of the road to elite. Grossman's overall improvement, Benson's development and improving the line will determine that.

 

Alright, whatever. My intent was to introduce the possibility that using more shotgun might help Grossman as a QB in the passing game, for the reasons stated. You appear to think it won't. That's fine.

[Chocolate Milk]

Who is advocating the shotgun as a fix all that will take the Bears offense from average to elite? I don't see anyone doing that here.

 

It can and may help Rex as his footwork is terrible and should improve by not having to drop back from center. It may also help him get a better look at a defensive alignments. Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange. It's something we should have considered implimenting a long time ago. No one is advocating running the shotgun on every passing play but mixing it in could be very advantageous.

 

Teams use the shotgun for a reason. It's not just window dressing. Dismissing it out of hand is bizarre.

[jersey cubs fan]

Who is advocating the shotgun as a fix all that will take the Bears offense from average to elite? I don't see anyone doing that here.

 

It can and may help Rex as his footwork is terrible and should improve by not having to drop back from center. It may also help him get a better look at a defensive alignments. Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange. It's something we should have considered implimenting a long time ago. No one is advocating running the shotgun on every passing play but mixing it in could be very advantageous.

 

Teams use the shotgun for a reason. It's not just window dressing. Dismissing it out of hand is bizarre.

 

I'm not dismissing it out of hand. I'm refuting the incorrect statements with regards to its benefits and dismissing the way overblown attention people pay to this story.

[Chocolate Milk]

Who is advocating the shotgun as a fix all that will take the Bears offense from average to elite? I don't see anyone doing that here.

 

It can and may help Rex as his footwork is terrible and should improve by not having to drop back from center. It may also help him get a better look at a defensive alignments. Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange. It's something we should have considered implimenting a long time ago. No one is advocating running the shotgun on every passing play but mixing it in could be very advantageous.

 

Teams use the shotgun for a reason. It's not just window dressing. Dismissing it out of hand is bizarre.

 

I'm not dismissing it out of hand. I'm refuting the incorrect statements with regards to its benefits and dismissing the way overblown attention people pay to this story.

 

I don't get the same vibe as you in regards to the coverage, but whatever. I think implementing the shotgun will help Rex and the offense.

[Banedon]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...