The Bears Offseason Thread

[Derwood]

Of course this may be a sink or swim thing for Grossman if this trade happend and it would be a time for him to step up or fad away.

 

I think this part is exactly where we'd end up if this trade ever happened.

 

yep. Cade McNown redux

[Soriano12]

David Carr is trash, no thanks.

[Chocolate Milk]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

[CaliforniaRaisin]

David Carr is trash, no thanks.

 

No he's not, you might want to check out dew's posts on the matter. He plays with inferior talent and an awful offensive line and still puts up decent stats (especially comp %).

 

I don't see why Grossman would panic with Carr around - he'd be no different than all the Griese talk last season.

 

This is likely a sink or swim season for Rex anyways - he's a free agent after this year and if he doesn't make the progress that a normal QB does after the number of starts he's gotten (Rex is about where the light switch normally either goes on or doesn't for most young QBs) I don't see the Bears bringing him back.

[Banedon]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

[Chocolate Milk]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

 

Would he be worth 2 firsts? I doubt he's on the block but I'd probably make that deal.

[CuseCubFan69]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

 

 

 

Actually Vick would be a decent guy for Turners type of play calling.

[dew1679666265]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

 

Personally, just about anything would be worth it.

The only possible drawback to McNabb is that he finished the last two seasons on IR but before then had no significant injuries I'm aware of. When/if healthy, he might be the third best active QB in the game (behind Peyton and Brady) and possibly the second dependant upon how you view Brady.

In 04 he had a completion % of 64 and threw 31 TDs to only 8 INTs. That's a better TD:INT ratio than Brady ever had and a higher completion % than he's ever had.

McNabb would be worth whatever you have to give up.

[CuseCubFan69]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

 

Personally, just about anything would be worth it.

The only possible drawback to McNabb is that he finished the last two seasons on IR but before then had no significant injuries I'm aware of. When/if healthy, he might be the third best active QB in the game (behind Peyton and Brady) and possibly the second dependant upon how you view Brady.

In 04 he had a completion % of 64 and threw 31 TDs to only 8 INTs. That's a better TD:INT ratio than Brady ever had and a higher completion % than he's ever had.

McNabb would be worth whatever you have to give up.

 

I'd like to see him go back home but I wonder about the salary cap hit it would be for the Bears.

[minnesotacubsfan]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

[CuseCubFan69]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

 

That's why you trade Lovie to the Cowboys and use those picks + others for McNabb.

[minnesotacubsfan]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

 

That's why you trade Lovie to the Cowboys and use those picks + others for McNabb.

 

 

i'm confused...so you would be out a coach with a hurt QB?

 

I like McNabb, he would make the Bears the odds on favs for the super bowl, but the chances of him getting hurt ar soo damn high

[CuseCubFan69]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

 

That's why you trade Lovie to the Cowboys and use those picks + others for McNabb.

 

 

i'm confused...so you would be out a coach with a hurt QB?

 

I like McNabb, he would make the Bears the odds on favs for the super bowl, but the chances of him getting hurt ar soo damn high

 

Slide Rivera to the Head spot.

[minnesotacubsfan]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

 

That's why you trade Lovie to the Cowboys and use those picks + others for McNabb.

 

 

i'm confused...so you would be out a coach with a hurt QB?

 

I like McNabb, he would make the Bears the odds on favs for the super bowl, but the chances of him getting hurt ar soo damn high

 

Slide Rivera to the Head spot.

 

 

I like Rivera, but I like Lovie more as a head coach.

[BigSlick]

David Carr is trash, no thanks.

 

????

 

DAVID CARR IS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE TEXANS

 

Their [expletive] fans can't comprehend that the team around him is double atrocious. 68.3% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE? Thats 15% better than Grossman.

 

Give me that. Give me that right now. We win the Superbowl by default.

[dew1679666265]

[WishfullThinking]We could also go balls to the wall for McNabb[/WishfulThinking]

 

I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him.

 

Personally, just about anything would be worth it.

The only possible drawback to McNabb is that he finished the last two seasons on IR but before then had no significant injuries I'm aware of. When/if healthy, he might be the third best active QB in the game (behind Peyton and Brady) and possibly the second dependant upon how you view Brady.

In 04 he had a completion % of 64 and threw 31 TDs to only 8 INTs. That's a better TD:INT ratio than Brady ever had and a higher completion % than he's ever had.

McNabb would be worth whatever you have to give up.

 

I'd like to see him go back home but I wonder about the salary cap hit it would be for the Bears.

 

No cap hit for the Bears unless you gave up players. It would be an incredible cap hit for the Eagles, which is another reason I think the trade would be horrendously bad from their perspective, but if the Bears gave up only draft picks, there would be no cap hit.

[dew1679666265]

McNabb has "Hershel Walker trade" written all over him, ie just one more player to get us over the top, trade the farm away..

 

 

at least thats my fear

 

That's why you trade Lovie to the Cowboys and use those picks + others for McNabb.

 

 

i'm confused...so you would be out a coach with a hurt QB?

 

I like McNabb, he would make the Bears the odds on favs for the super bowl, but the chances of him getting hurt ar soo damn high

 

Not really. His injuries have been one time things and mostly fluky. Granted as Cub fans, we all get scared over these types of injuries (see Prior and Lee) but he's not injury prone in terms of having a degrading, long-lasting injury.

As far as I know, he's never had any injuries of any significance through college and the pros other than the last couple years.

[dew1679666265]

David Carr is trash, no thanks.

 

????

 

DAVID CARR IS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE TEXANS

 

Their [expletive] fans can't comprehend that the team around him is double atrocious. 68.3% COMPLETION PERCENTAGE? Thats 15% better than Grossman.

 

Give me that. Give me that right now. We win the Superbowl by default.

 

Exactly. There is a perception that David Carr is no good, for much of the same reason that it was said Peyton couldn't win the big game.

Peyton never had the talent or luck around him necessary to win the Super Bowl, just like Carr has never had the talent around him to be any good. The fact that he has put up decent numbers while in Houston is even more telling that, given talent, he could really blossom.

[goonys evil twin]

Not really. His injuries have been one time things and mostly fluky. Granted as Cub fans, we all get scared over these types of injuries (see Prior and Lee) but he's not injury prone in terms of having a degrading, long-lasting injury.

As far as I know, he's never had any injuries of any significance through college and the pros other than the last couple years.

 

I would say he was mostly healthy prior to the past 2 seasons, but he only played in 10 games in 2002 and broke an ankle. And any QB who relies so heavily on his legs is going to get hurt. So he's missed big chunks of 3 of the past 5 seasons with various lower body injuries, and is now 30. The cap hit to Philly puts a huge strain on any possible deal.

[RynoRules]

I have heard the Carr rumors and find those far more plausible. McNabb is the face of that franchise in the way that Urlacher is here, Favre is in GB, etc.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I went home to watch the game with my dad, and im back... I know this thread has blossomed already but I didn't feel like reading all eight pages. But I would really like to chime in on what I feel the Bears should and will do.

 

1. They must resign Lovie, Rivera to a fair market value contract. From reports the bears and lovie were haggling over 3 mil a year(bears offered under, Lovie wanted over). Now that Smith coached the team to Super Bowl, his FMV is probably 5 mil a year(possibly more). Offering anything less than four is embarrassing considering the profits this team realizes.

 

2. Briggs cant hit the open market. They can franchise him (7 mil) or take that 7 mil x it by 6 years add a 10 mil signing bonus(spread that over the life of the contract, and call it a day(hopefully).

 

3. Draft Lineman!!! Tait is 32, Brown is 34(and a fa), and Miller is 33. Drafting a guard and tackle or signing someone like Eric Steinbach would be needed.

On the defensive side, Brown and Wale are overpaid, Tank is overrated and Ian Scott has regressed(and is a FA). Dusty Dvorack will be back next year and can push Tank Johnson. I think another DT would be a needed in the draft.

 

4. Thomas Jones wont be a Bear next year. It sucks but his stock will never be higher, and numerous teams need a running back. If you can get something substantial for him.(ie a 2nd or 3rd round pick), I think they should do it. Jones should and probably will hold out, and the team can go with Benson and Peterson and have a solid run game.

 

5. Grossman should play out his contract, and should be subjected to open competition. Why would he want to stay if he plays well in 07, and why would the Bears lock him up if he cant progress. He is 26, will be 27 next year. Has a full year under his belt, and will be in his third year in this offense. Right now he is average, but can he get better? I think so. He can make the throws and sometimes does, most of his faults are mental, hopefully it can be fixed.

 

Peter King wrote an article about what the bears should do about the qb group. He fails in most respects to realize that this 1. was grossman's first year starting(fully) 2. He is still relatively young 3. Can get better.

 

BUT he does hit on something important. Eventually this team will break up. The bears can't resign briggs, harris, tillman, vasher. And if they can, it will be a reverse Colts situation-> all cap room on defense, offense will suffer. The time table to win is probably at best three years at worst next year(disregarding drafts and reloading fa's(that is too unknown right now). Grossman's performance this year was ok for a budding playoff team with time to grow, not a super bowl contender who was 40 min away from a title.

 

The qb corp must elevate itself, but their isn't a viable sure option other than sticking with grossman. drafting another qb is so ridiculous because qb prospects are as volatile as pitching prospects. Even if the bears could draft Quinn or Russell, they still need time to DEVELOP, time they dont have. Trading for someone like Matt Schaub is of the same ilk, because Schaub hasnt started either, he would need time to develop into the offense(also his completion rating isnt exactly barn burning either). Signing Jeff Garcia could actually hurt more than it helps(a lot of you have touched on this already). He is weak armed, old, and will cost a bundle. He failed in Cleveland and the Lions, the same Lions team that had Kitna throwing for 4000 yards.

 

Trading for David Carr is almost too good of an idea to happen. Carr still has a substantial cap number(that would be soaked up mostly by the texans). I get gitty thinking about what carr could do with a solid offensive line and a running game. BUT does it seem like something the Bears would do? I hope so, but I doubt it. First, I think the texans can conjure at least a 6 round pick(not expensive, but place an empathizes on "at least"). If the asking price goes over a 5 round pick, I doubt the bears will pull the trigger, and if all the texans can get is a 6th round pick, I doubt they will pull the trigger. I hope this happens but this seems like a Cubs trade for Adam Dunn thing.

[dew1679666265]

Not really. His injuries have been one time things and mostly fluky. Granted as Cub fans, we all get scared over these types of injuries (see Prior and Lee) but he's not injury prone in terms of having a degrading, long-lasting injury.

As far as I know, he's never had any injuries of any significance through college and the pros other than the last couple years.

 

I would say he was mostly healthy prior to the past 2 seasons, but he only played in 10 games in 2002 and broke an ankle. And any QB who relies so heavily on his legs is going to get hurt. So he's missed big chunks of 3 of the past 5 seasons with various lower body injuries, and is now 30. The cap hit to Philly puts a huge strain on any possible deal.

 

My apologies, I missed the fact that he played only 10 games in 02. But still, a broken ankle is not a lingering injury. If he had sprained a ligament I might be a little more worried, but most of his injuries have been one-time fluke things.

The cap hit to Philly is only one reason why I think this is ludicrous from their persepective. What QB are they going to get that is better than McNabb right now? If they drafted a Chris Leak, Kevin Kolb, etc in the second or third round to develop behind McNabb I could understand and likely agree. But why trade a great QB if you plan on contending? Doesn't make sense to me.

[CubColtPacer]

Not really. His injuries have been one time things and mostly fluky. Granted as Cub fans, we all get scared over these types of injuries (see Prior and Lee) but he's not injury prone in terms of having a degrading, long-lasting injury.

As far as I know, he's never had any injuries of any significance through college and the pros other than the last couple years.

 

I would say he was mostly healthy prior to the past 2 seasons, but he only played in 10 games in 2002 and broke an ankle. And any QB who relies so heavily on his legs is going to get hurt. So he's missed big chunks of 3 of the past 5 seasons with various lower body injuries, and is now 30. The cap hit to Philly puts a huge strain on any possible deal.

 

My apologies, I missed the fact that he played only 10 games in 02. But still, a broken ankle is not a lingering injury. If he had sprained a ligament I might be a little more worried, but most of his injuries have been one-time fluke things.

The cap hit to Philly is only one reason why I think this is ludicrous from their persepective. What QB are they going to get that is better than McNabb right now? If they drafted a Chris Leak, Kevin Kolb, etc in the second or third round to develop behind McNabb I could understand and likely agree. But why trade a great QB if you plan on contending? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

They think they can trade McNabb for more talent, start Garcia, and get better overall. I've heard though that part of the reason that Philly might want to make this deal is that McNabb is Philly's "franchise QB". What happens if he stays in Philly and he gets hurt next year for a few games? Do you stay with him the next year? Especially with Garcia doing so well, there are a lot of questions like that going around Philly right now, and this might be the best time for Philly to move on-although the cap hit suggests that this is not the case.

[da bears]

Man this sucks. I miss the Bears already.

[WindyCity]

I'm pretty ignorant on how trading players in the NFL affects a team's salary cap, but couldn't the Bears/Eagles swap somewhat similar contracts to help reduce the hit? For example, if the Bears sent Ogunleye to Philly would that reduce the hit on the Eagles for dealing McNabb?