The Bears Offseason Thread

[Banedon]

Nothing is going to happen with the QB spot this offseason. Nor should it.

 

OL is probably my biggest concern. There's no depth, they're inconsistent, and rather old.

 

Two reasons this is true.

 

1) Lovie and Ron showed an unwavering faith in Rex, and that will carry over to next year.

2) The possibilities for bringing in a better QB through FA or the draft are basically zero. The McNabb rumors are nothing more than that, rumors.

 

There was a previous question about whether the Bears should give up their #1 pick for a QB. Given who's available, and given how strongly the Bears have drafted over the past few years, the answer is no.

 

While I agree that the QB spot will probably remain the same, I disagree with the assertion that the unwavering faith will carry over to next year. The Bears were willing to live through Rex's growing pains in his first full season, but if he's having the same troubles in his second season, I could see them easily making a change. In fact I don't think he's guaranteed the starter position. If Orton or Griese has a better camp, I think you could see a change.

 

Griese clearly had the better preseason in 2006 and Lovie and Turner went with Grossman. I can't see another pre-season struggle by Rex causing Lovie to give Griese the starting QB job.

 

Orton's upside is capped, he just doesn't have the talent to be anything more than a backup who can come in and avoid mistakes.

 

You Bear fans know this better than I do but with Turners throw the ball downfield theory isn't the better option Grossman? If they were more West Coast I could see Griese as being the choice but not with this offensive scheme. Plus I heard that Greise had shoulder problems and his arm looked weak.

 

Is Turner's "throw the ball downfield" theory because he's using the strengths of the QB though? They didn't throw downfield a lot with Orton because it wasn't his strength. (Well and he just didn't know all of the plays.)

 

Why would they have signed Griese if he wasn't a QB that would fit the offensive philosophy?

[CuseCubFan69]

Nothing is going to happen with the QB spot this offseason. Nor should it.

 

OL is probably my biggest concern. There's no depth, they're inconsistent, and rather old.

 

Two reasons this is true.

 

1) Lovie and Ron showed an unwavering faith in Rex, and that will carry over to next year.

2) The possibilities for bringing in a better QB through FA or the draft are basically zero. The McNabb rumors are nothing more than that, rumors.

 

There was a previous question about whether the Bears should give up their #1 pick for a QB. Given who's available, and given how strongly the Bears have drafted over the past few years, the answer is no.

 

While I agree that the QB spot will probably remain the same, I disagree with the assertion that the unwavering faith will carry over to next year. The Bears were willing to live through Rex's growing pains in his first full season, but if he's having the same troubles in his second season, I could see them easily making a change. In fact I don't think he's guaranteed the starter position. If Orton or Griese has a better camp, I think you could see a change.

 

Griese clearly had the better preseason in 2006 and Lovie and Turner went with Grossman. I can't see another pre-season struggle by Rex causing Lovie to give Griese the starting QB job.

 

Orton's upside is capped, he just doesn't have the talent to be anything more than a backup who can come in and avoid mistakes.

 

You Bear fans know this better than I do but with Turners throw the ball downfield theory isn't the better option Grossman? If they were more West Coast I could see Griese as being the choice but not with this offensive scheme. Plus I heard that Greise had shoulder problems and his arm looked weak.

 

Is Turner's "throw the ball downfield" theory because he's using the strengths of the QB though? They didn't throw downfield a lot with Orton because it wasn't his strength. (Well and he just didn't know all of the plays.)

 

Why would they have signed Griese if he wasn't a QB that would fit the offensive philosophy?

 

I don't know, that's why I asked.

[OleMissCub]

Plus their defense is so bad that Eli hardly ever gets a shot to do anything, so when he does get his chance, he's usually trying to force things.

 

He hardly ever gets a chance to do anything? That's blatant homeristic nonsense. Eli has had plenty of chances, and he's blown nearly all of them.

 

He's had 7 fourth quarter comebacks in his career with the Giants. Given that, I much rather would have had him than blunder the boy wonder Grossman Sunday night during the fourth quarter.

[Banedon]

Plus their defense is so bad that Eli hardly ever gets a shot to do anything, so when he does get his chance, he's usually trying to force things.

 

He hardly ever gets a chance to do anything? That's blatant homeristic nonsense. Eli has had plenty of chances, and he's blown nearly all of them.

 

He's had 7 fourth quarter comebacks in his career with the Giants. Given that, I much rather would have had him than blunder the boy wonder Grossman Sunday night during the fourth quarter.

 

Is it possible that the Bears didn't have the need for many comebacks this season? I'm just saying...

[Chocolate Milk]

Can we make and Eli Manning thread so OleMiss can tout him there? Seriously, I don't give a crap about Eli Manning. If he's better than Grossman he's BARELY better than Grossman. Who cares.

[Chocolate Milk]

There were rumors a couple weeks ago about David Carr being available for a 3rd round pick. Should the Bears be interested?

[gflore34]

Anyone here remember much of Grossman as a Gator? Did he have this fumbling of the snap problem then? The foolish throws and bad decisions aside, this had to be his most maddening flaw, I could see it happening once or twice season but, five, six times?

[OleMissCub]

Can we make and Eli Manning thread so OleMiss can tout him there? Seriously, I don't give a crap about Eli Manning. If he's better than Grossman he's BARELY better than Grossman. Who cares.

 

No need. I'll shutup. I'll just say finally that he's barely a top 15 QB in the NFL, but I'd still take him over Grossman.

[OleMissCub]

Anyone here remember much of Grossman as a Gator? Did he have this fumbling of the snap problem then? The foolish throws and bad decisions aside, this had to be his most maddening flaw, I could see it happening once or twice season but, five, six times?

 

I remember Eli Manning beating him when the Gators were ranked no.6 and essentially ending Grossman's Heisman run. Grossman was 19 of 44 by the way.

 

:-)

 

Ok, I really will shutup now.

[Banedon]

There were rumors a couple weeks ago about David Carr being available for a 3rd round pick. Should the Bears be interested?

 

Statistically David Carr has been very good on a bad team. I'd be interested.

 

Do the Texans just want to spend the money at other positions? Do they have someone waiting in the wings that I'm not aware of?

[dew1679666265]

There were rumors a couple weeks ago about David Carr being available for a 3rd round pick. Should the Bears be interested?

 

Statistically David Carr has been very good on a bad team. I'd be interested.

 

Do the Texans just want to spend the money at other positions? Do they have someone waiting in the wings that I'm not aware of?

 

Bradlee Van Pelt and Quinton Porter according to ESPN. I think they just want to get rid of Carr because he's the scapegoat for their struggles (undeservedly so).

I think it would be a mistake to trade him, he just needs the o-line to develop a little more and get a running game (the Texans drafting Adrian Peterson would fix that).

It would be a great trade by the Bears if they just give up a 3rd rounder.

[Banedon]

Ok here's a link to the Carr rumor:

 

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/01/carr_talk_around_the_nfl.html

 

And here's a link to the Houston message board where they seem to like the idea...

 

http://www.texanstalk.com/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1169825707/0

 

the good news, Carr is on the market, FINALLY.

the bad news, Charlie Casserly is not a GM on any NFL team and he is the only idiot who would actually consider a 3rd rnd pick for a has been that never was QB, like Carr.

 

I would pleasantly, make that VERY pleasantly surprised, to see ANY team give up a 3rd for a backup bench warmer QB, like Carr.

[Chocolate Milk]

Ok here's a link to the Carr rumor:

 

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/01/carr_talk_around_the_nfl.html

 

And here's a link to the Houston message board where they seem to like the idea...

 

http://www.texanstalk.com/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1169825707/0

 

the good news, Carr is on the market, FINALLY.

the bad news, Charlie Casserly is not a GM on any NFL team and he is the only idiot who would actually consider a 3rd rnd pick for a has been that never was QB, like Carr.

 

I would pleasantly, make that VERY pleasantly surprised, to see ANY team give up a 3rd for a backup bench warmer QB, like Carr.

 

Carr isn't a world beater but, according to DPAR, he was better than Grossman this year. He might do better on a team that is, you know, actually good.

 

Here is the DPAR for the superbowl.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6443644

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

[Banedon]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

[dew1679666265]

Ok here's a link to the Carr rumor:

 

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2007/01/carr_talk_around_the_nfl.html

 

And here's a link to the Houston message board where they seem to like the idea...

 

http://www.texanstalk.com/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1169825707/0

 

the good news, Carr is on the market, FINALLY.

the bad news, Charlie Casserly is not a GM on any NFL team and he is the only idiot who would actually consider a 3rd rnd pick for a has been that never was QB, like Carr.

 

I would pleasantly, make that VERY pleasantly surprised, to see ANY team give up a 3rd for a backup bench warmer QB, like Carr.

 

Carr has been getting progressively better since is first year and currently is sitting on a 68.3% completion rate and 11 TDs to 12 INTs.

The numbers aren't great, but consider what he'd do on a team that actually was good.

The entire time he's been there, they've had career backups on the offensive line and no receivers behind Andre Johnson (except last year when they acquired Eric Moulds). Also last year, they lost Dominick Davis likely for his career so there was no running game.

Put Carr on the Bears and he's immediately significantly better.

[dew1679666265]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Especially if the rumor is correct and ya'll give up only a fourth round pick.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

[Milli1306]

If Carr could be had for Griese and a mid to late round pick, I'd do it in a heratbeat...The guy has some talent, and it would be interesting to see if he could push Rex for the job. Even if he didn't win the job from him, that would hopefully mean that Rex has improved and they would now have a much more capable backup should he regress.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

 

It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

 

It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him.

 

Maybe but with all the Lovie talk about Rex being the QB made me think that he was doing it to build up his confidence.

[Banedon]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

 

It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him.

 

Maybe but with all the Lovie talk about Rex being the QB made me think that he was doing it to build up his confidence.

 

Sure, cuz you want to get the best out of him since you had to ride him out for the season...but if you can get someone in there to compete for the job, then you won't have to coddle him so much.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd gladly take Carr, kick out Griese, and let Grossman and Carr compete for the starting spot.

 

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman.

 

Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

 

It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him.

 

Maybe but with all the Lovie talk about Rex being the QB made me think that he was doing it to build up his confidence.

 

Sure, cuz you want to get the best out of him since you had to ride him out for the season...but if you can get someone in there to compete for the job, then you won't have to coddle him so much.

 

IMO that's one of Lovie's strengths, his person skills. I think he got a read on Grossman and thus the coddling to get the most out of him. I really think, again my opinion, that Grossman is too thin skinned and Lovie treated him the way he thought he needed to be treated to get the most out of his ability. Bringing a backup in just crushes that and all that was gained confidence wise may be lost. Of course this may be a sink or swim thing for Grossman if this trade happend and it would be a time for him to step up or fad away.

[Banedon]

Of course this may be a sink or swim thing for Grossman if this trade happend and it would be a time for him to step up or fad away.

 

I think this part is exactly where we'd end up if this trade ever happened.