Super Bowl XLI: Bears vs. Colts, Sun 2/4, 5:30 pm CT

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Why are so many Bears fans crying about the weather? All I heard two weeks ago when they were playing the Saints is how they love playing in the conditions. If the weather was going to affect anyone it would have been the Colts.

 

The Bears are not a wet track team, never have been. Cold and a little snow is helpful, but a wet track is not good for a speed team.

 

True, but that just makes it neutral, because the Colts are just as much of a speed team.

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Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

rex wasnt that bad. he only made 1 bad pass really, the int to muhammad. the second INT came late in the 4th down by two TDs. Berrian was open but he underthrew him, but at that point he was just trying to make something happen to spark an unlikely comeback. He wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible. Unfortunately too many bears fans are blind to the fact that defense couldn't get off the field if their life depended on it as a main reason for losing. All year people blame rex and refuse to ever blame the D. Well the D was about as good/bad as rex in the super bowl.

 

I mean the criticism of rex has really gotten out of hand. I hear people saying he threw so many bad balls....well he only threw 8 incompletions, a couple of which were drops. If you are going to criticize him at least do it for something that he actually did wrong (bad exchanges with kreutz, ints)

 

I'm watching the Sportscenter highlights right now, and I don't think Grossman's worst pass was even the INT for the TD. It was the pass where he scrambled around, got away from pressure, could have ran for a first down but instead lofted it straight unto a Colts guy's hands. The Colts guy dropped it, but it was still a horrible pass.

 

With that said though, Grossman was not "the reason" that the Bears lost. He wasn't good, but neither was the running game to help him, so he shouldn't shoulder all of the blame for the mistakes.

[goonys evil twin]

Why are so many Bears fans crying about the weather? All I heard two weeks ago when they were playing the Saints is how they love playing in the conditions. If the weather was going to affect anyone it would have been the Colts.

 

The Bears are not a wet track team, never have been. Cold and a little snow is helpful, but a wet track is not good for a speed team.

 

True, but that just makes it neutral, because the Colts are just as much of a speed team.

 

I'm not about to harp on the weather issue. But the wet track is definitely more of a problem for the defense, and with the Bears needing to rely so heavily on their defense, I'd say it affected the Bears more than the Colts. It's easier to make your cuts as an offensive player than a defender in those conditions, and with the primary matchup being Colts O vs Bears D, I think that's the difference. But again, I'm not scapegoating the loss on the weather. Indy played a better game and earned that win, weather or no weather.

[OleMissCub]

Why are so many Bears fans crying about the weather? All I heard two weeks ago when they were playing the Saints is how they love playing in the conditions. If the weather was going to affect anyone it would have been the Colts.

 

The Bears are not a wet track team, never have been. Cold and a little snow is helpful, but a wet track is not good for a speed team.

 

Didn't seem to bother Hester or Jones on their long runs.

 

I'm not in the mood for your BS the day after the super bowl.

 

I'm not crying about weather. I'm also not about rubbing salt into the wounds, that's pretty pathetic and classless. I just offered an explanation for your question. The Bears d is built on speed, and the rain is bad for them. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs in that rain is neither here nor there.

 

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

[OleMissCub]

Why are so many Bears fans crying about the weather? All I heard two weeks ago when they were playing the Saints is how they love playing in the conditions. If the weather was going to affect anyone it would have been the Colts.

 

The Bears are not a wet track team, never have been. Cold and a little snow is helpful, but a wet track is not good for a speed team.

 

True, but that just makes it neutral, because the Colts are just as much of a speed team.

 

I'm not about to harp on the weather issue. But the wet track is definitely more of a problem for the defense, and with the Bears needing to rely so heavily on their defense, I'd say it affected the Bears more than the Colts. It's easier to make your cuts as an offensive player than a defender in those conditions, and with the primary matchup being Colts O vs Bears D, I think that's the difference. But again, I'm not scapegoating the loss on the weather. Indy played a better game and earned that win, weather or no weather.

 

To me, that's much more valid of a weather complaint. Weather hurts defense more because they can't cut, etc.

[soapy]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

But those numbers don't take into consideration the two fumbles. One costing a possesion, and the other causing them to lose several yards (at a critical moment when they had been 2nd and 1). On the picks; he had Berrian wide open for six on one, and just made a poor throw. On the other, I again don't mind the decision, but the throw was poor.

 

He's far from the only reason they lost. There were several other reasons. But he played poorly.

 

He's not going to deserve the poor threatment he's going to get though. It's going to be absolutely brutal for him.

[rocket]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

the 2 botched snaps and the 2 completely inexcusable interceptions will stick out.

[goonys evil twin]

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

 

It doesn't matter what your intentions are, the result is the same.

 

Nobody ever said the Bears are good in rain. The cold and snow was an advantage against New Orleans mostly because the Saints never played in those conditions. The rain is bad for the Bears.

[goonys evil twin]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

the 2 botched snaps and the 2 completely inexcusable interceptions will stick out.

 

I didn't say he was good. He simply did not crap the bed or lose the game for the team. Just last year a QB had a worse game and ended up winning. Rex was disappointing, and needs to be better. But he wasn't the disaster the general consensus is going to paint him as.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

How many turnovers did he have? His completions were largely trivial. How many 1st down throws did he have?

[Brendan]

I'm going to leave robbie in my avatar for one more week (pro bowl mojo), then i have to see if a Cub can get the same rub that Robbie got from the high profile position in my avatar.

 

i just realized that you're nsbb's annie savoy. nice!

[Sammy Sofa]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

How many turnovers did he have? His completions were largely trivial. How many 1st down throws did he have?

 

3 turnovers.

 

One of his "trivial" completions was the only touchdown scored by someone not named Hester.

 

How many 1st downs were they able to rush for? How many 3rd down completions did the defense allow? How many times did they just roll aside and let Manning either punch it short or somone run it right up the middle?

 

Grossman looked pretty bad, but the rest of the team basically crapped the bed as well after the 1st quarter.

[da bears]

This sucks. Now we all have to wait 7 months for the Bears again. Ugh.

[goonys evil twin]

This sucks. Now we all have to wait 7 months for the Bears again. Ugh.

 

Well, the draft is in April. OTA's will pop up now and again. Training camp is 6 months away.

 

It's a lot better than going through an offseason after a 5-11 season.

 

Yesterday hurt, but I'm much happier having gone through a meaningful postseason run than doing what the Cubs typically do.

[Sammy Sofa]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

rex wasnt that bad. he only made 1 bad pass really, the int to muhammad. the second INT came late in the 4th down by two TDs. Berrian was open but he underthrew him, but at that point he was just trying to make something happen to spark an unlikely comeback. He wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible. Unfortunately too many bears fans are blind to the fact that defense couldn't get off the field if their life depended on it as a main reason for losing. All year people blame rex and refuse to ever blame the D. Well the D was about as good/bad as rex in the super bowl.

 

I mean the criticism of rex has really gotten out of hand. I hear people saying he threw so many bad balls....well he only threw 8 incompletions, a couple of which were drops. If you are going to criticize him at least do it for something that he actually did wrong (bad exchanges with kreutz, ints)

 

I'm watching the Sportscenter highlights right now, and I don't think Grossman's worst pass was even the INT for the TD. It was the pass where he scrambled around, got away from pressure, could have ran for a first down but instead lofted it straight unto a Colts guy's hands. The Colts guy dropped it, but it was still a horrible pass.

 

With that said though, Grossman was not "the reason" that the Bears lost. He wasn't good, but neither was the running game to help him, so he shouldn't shoulder all of the blame for the mistakes.

 

Grossman needs to watch the tape of him doing what I bolded in your post as much as possible until his eyes glaze over. The end result didn't work, but he managed to stay on his feet under pressure and move. It was a such a difference from the usual "OHMYGODHERECOMESABIGSCARYMANMYFEETDON'TWORKOHCRAPI'M DOWN" we'd seen most of the year.

[da bears]

This sucks. Now we all have to wait 7 months for the Bears again. Ugh.

 

Well, the draft is in April. OTA's will pop up now and again. Training camp is 6 months away.

 

It's a lot better than going through an offseason after a 5-11 season.

 

Yesterday hurt, but I'm much happier having gone through a meaningful postseason run than doing what the Cubs typically do.

 

This is true. Hopefully they sign Briggs and hopefully Grossman matures and improves. Man this sucks. I will say when Hester returned the opening kick off that was one of the sweetest moments. The bar I was at was just a freakin mad house.

[Banedon]

Arena football starts on ESPN in March too, if you need a football fix.

[Derwood]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

rex wasnt that bad. he only made 1 bad pass really, the int to muhammad. the second INT came late in the 4th down by two TDs. Berrian was open but he underthrew him, but at that point he was just trying to make something happen to spark an unlikely comeback. He wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible. Unfortunately too many bears fans are blind to the fact that defense couldn't get off the field if their life depended on it as a main reason for losing. All year people blame rex and refuse to ever blame the D. Well the D was about as good/bad as rex in the super bowl.

 

I mean the criticism of rex has really gotten out of hand. I hear people saying he threw so many bad balls....well he only threw 8 incompletions, a couple of which were drops. If you are going to criticize him at least do it for something that he actually did wrong (bad exchanges with kreutz, ints)

 

I'm watching the Sportscenter highlights right now, and I don't think Grossman's worst pass was even the INT for the TD. It was the pass where he scrambled around, got away from pressure, could have ran for a first down but instead lofted it straight unto a Colts guy's hands. The Colts guy dropped it, but it was still a horrible pass.

 

With that said though, Grossman was not "the reason" that the Bears lost. He wasn't good, but neither was the running game to help him, so he shouldn't shoulder all of the blame for the mistakes.

 

Grossman needs to watch the tape of him doing what I bolded in your post as much as possible until his eyes glaze over. The end result didn't work, but he managed to stay on his feet under pressure and move. It was a such a difference from the usual "OHMYGODHERECOMESABIGSCARYMANMYFEETDON'TWORKOHCRAPI'M DOWN" we'd seen most of the year.

 

only if they splice another shot of him throwing the ball away at the end of the play. Scrambling is nice and all, but trying to force it into double coverage is just another example of his poor decision making

[OleMissCub]

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

 

It doesn't matter what your intentions are, the result is the same.

 

Nobody ever said the Bears are good in rain. The cold and snow was an advantage against New Orleans mostly because the Saints never played in those conditions. The rain is bad for the Bears.

 

And the rain was good for the Colts? Hell, they're a dome team.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

 

It doesn't matter what your intentions are, the result is the same.

 

Nobody ever said the Bears are good in rain. The cold and snow was an advantage against New Orleans mostly because the Saints never played in those conditions. The rain is bad for the Bears.

 

And the rain was good for the Colts? Hell, they're a dome team.

 

THE COLT PLAYERS WERE ALL CLAINING BEFORE THE GAME IT WAS GOOD FOR THEM BECUSE OF THE BUILD-UP OF THE FIELD, THE RAIN MADE THE FIELD FASTER..

 

OF COURSE, THIS SHOULD HAVE HELPED THE BEARS D

 

BOTTOM LINE, THE COLTS HANDLED THE RAIN MUCH BETTER THEN THE BEARS DID, AND YET THE BEARS WERE IN IT UNTIL THE END.

 

I LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR

[goonys evil twin]

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

 

It doesn't matter what your intentions are, the result is the same.

 

Nobody ever said the Bears are good in rain. The cold and snow was an advantage against New Orleans mostly because the Saints never played in those conditions. The rain is bad for the Bears.

 

And the rain was good for the Colts? Hell, they're a dome team.

 

I didn't say it was good.

 

Seriously, go away.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Grossman takes a dump all over the field

 

I know that's going to be the official accepted story, but I refuse to believe that to be true. A 70+ completion percentage, a 68.3 rating. That's not taking a dump. That's not disaster Rex. That's better than what Roethlisberger did while winning last year's Super Bowl and he doesn't face anywhere near the scrutiny Grossman does. Rex did not have a good game, but he did not crap the bed either.

 

How many turnovers did he have? His completions were largely trivial. How many 1st down throws did he have?

 

3 turnovers.

 

One of his "trivial" completions was the only touchdown scored by someone not named Hester.

 

How many 1st downs were they able to rush for? How many 3rd down completions did the defense allow? How many times did they just roll aside and let Manning either punch it short or somone run it right up the middle?

 

Grossman looked pretty bad, but the rest of the team basically crapped the bed as well after the 1st quarter.

 

1 4-yard TD pass in the 1st quarter isn't enough to win a game. I guess he had one non-trivial throw. He certainly didn't allow the offense to move the sticks and eat time, keeping the defense off the field.

 

Grossman isn't the only reason the Bears lost the game, but let's not sugarcoat it. Grossman sucked.

[Banedon]

Take it easy guys. I know tensions are a little high right now...

 

Anyone can post in the thread that wants to. Just try to keep things civil. Thanks.

[C.C.]

Take it easy guys. I know tensions are a little high right now...

 

Anyone can post in the thread that wants to. Just try to keep things civil. Thanks.

 

Worry about yourself Bozo! JK. :wink:

[OleMissCub]

Hey, you need to chill out. I wasn't trying to be classless at all. If you read that into my statements, then that's you. I seriously want to know about the Bears playing in the conditions. Because that's all I ever heard about was how great they were in the conditions. You gave an explanation and I offered a retort. The fact that Jones and Hester had long runs does matter.

 

It doesn't matter what your intentions are, the result is the same.

 

Nobody ever said the Bears are good in rain. The cold and snow was an advantage against New Orleans mostly because the Saints never played in those conditions. The rain is bad for the Bears.

 

And the rain was good for the Colts? Hell, they're a dome team.

 

I didn't say it was good.

 

Seriously, go away.

 

No, if you have a problem discussing the game, then you go away.