Mulder resigns with STL (confirmed with link)

[moorecg]

I've got no link...but I've got several e-mails inthe last 10 min saying its being reported around here. Edited January 10, 2007 by moorecg

[moorecg]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports

 

Link

[Backtobanks]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports

 

Link

 

$13 million over 2 years guaranteed for a guy with a sugically repaired shoulder sounds like a bit of a gamble. Then again, Mulder isn't really an overpowering pitcher, so maybe it will work out for the Cards.

[moorecg]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports

 

Link

 

$13 million over 2 years guaranteed for a guy with a sugically repaired shoulder sounds like a bit of a gamble. Then again, Mulder isn't really an overpowering pitcher, so maybe it will work out for the Cards.

 

I agree...but I'd take it over the Marquis contract.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This is high risk/high reward situation with a lot of money attached. If he returns to anything that resembles his effective years, then he's a bargain compared to the contracts signed. If he has trouble staying healthy, has a set back in rehab, or is ineffective due to the surgery, it's a horrible deal.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

This is high risk/high reward situation with a lot of money attached. If he returns to anything that resembles his effective years, then he's a bargain compared to the contracts signed. If he has trouble staying healthy, has a set back in rehab, or is ineffective due to the surgery, it's a horrible deal.

 

 

In this market 13m isn't all that risky.

 

 

FWIW, I like the deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This is high risk/high reward situation with a lot of money attached. If he returns to anything that resembles his effective years, then he's a bargain compared to the contracts signed. If he has trouble staying healthy, has a set back in rehab, or is ineffective due to the surgery, it's a horrible deal.

 

 

In this market 13m isn't all that risky.

 

 

FWIW, I like the deal.

 

You're right. In this market, that deal could end up being a steal. With the proper contigency plans, it could be a hellova deal.

[goonys evil twin]

This is high risk/high reward situation with a lot of money attached. If he returns to anything that resembles his effective years, then he's a bargain compared to the contracts signed. If he has trouble staying healthy, has a set back in rehab, or is ineffective due to the surgery, it's a horrible deal.

 

 

In this market 13m isn't all that risky.

 

 

FWIW, I like the deal.

 

You're right. In this market, that deal could end up being a steal. With the proper contigency plans, it could be a hellova deal.

 

$13m is very risky for a guy who could give you nothing. It might not be much in comparison to other contracts, but it's still likely to be more than 6% of the STL payroll. If he repeats 2006 at 6.5m per year, that's a major obstacle.

 

It's potentially a steal if Mulder manages to repeat even his worst post-rookie and pre-2006 season.

[d_money]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports

 

Link

 

$13 million over 2 years guaranteed for a guy with a sugically repaired shoulder sounds like a bit of a gamble. Then again, Mulder isn't really an overpowering pitcher, so maybe it will work out for the Cards.

 

I hope not.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

An interesting comparison.

 

2004: 113 ERA+

2005: 103

2006: 73

 

Signs 3/21 contract at 28.5 years old

 

 

2004: 106 ERA+

2005: 117

2006: 62, has major shoulder surgery

 

Signs 2/13 contract at 29.5 years old

EDIT: Won't be coming back from surgery until midseason of '07.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Transmogrified Tiger

[NorthsideAvenger]

An interesting comparison.

 

2004: 113 ERA+

2005: 103

2006: 73

 

Signs 3/21 contract at 28.5 years old

 

 

2004: 106 ERA+

2005: 117

2006: 62, has major shoulder surgery

 

Signs 2/13 contract at 29.5 years old

 

So, in retrospect the Cubs are paying about $500K more for en equal crappy pitcher? People get stuck in the W/L being the value of a pitcher's worth, but looking at those stats, and then look at their career numbers, Mulder has be more lucky then Marquis.

[SouthSideRyan]

According to Gammons, incentives can push this to 3/45

[EastonBlues22]

According to Gammons, incentives can push this to 3/45

He would have to start 30 games next year to make that happen...

[CuseCubFan69]

An interesting comparison.

 

2004: 113 ERA+

2005: 103

2006: 73

 

Signs 3/21 contract at 28.5 years old

 

 

2004: 106 ERA+

2005: 117

2006: 62, has major shoulder surgery

 

Signs 2/13 contract at 29.5 years old

 

So, in retrospect the Cubs are paying about $500K more for en equal crappy pitcher? People get stuck in the W/L being the value of a pitcher's worth, but looking at those stats, and then look at their career numbers, Mulder has be more lucky then Marquis.

 

Ahh yes but a crappy pitcher that has had his magic flaw found by Rothschild in the bottle of Jack Daniels.

[Soriano12]

I think Hendry really wanted to take a shot at Mulder, but he knew there was no way, given the history of the rotation the past few seasons.

 

Lilly and Marquis should,(should being the key word) pitch 200+ innings a piece. Of course if he pitches like last year I'm hoping those 200 innings are in AAA for Marquis.

[CubinNY]

I think Hendry really wanted to take a shot at Mulder, but he knew there was no way, given the history of the rotation the past few seasons.

 

Lilly and Marquis should,(should being the key word) pitch 200+ innings a piece. Of course if he pitches like last year I'm hoping those 200 innings are in AAA for Marquis.

 

Ted Lilly has never pitched 200 innings in his career (197 is the high point). Jason Marquis has done it twice.

 

Neither are a good bet to do it next year.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Hendry really wanted to take a shot at Mulder, but he knew there was no way, given the history of the rotation the past few seasons.

 

Lilly and Marquis should,(should being the key word) pitch 200+ innings a piece. Of course if he pitches like last year I'm hoping those 200 innings are in AAA for Marquis.

 

Ted Lilly has never pitched 200 innings in his career (197 is the high point). Jason Marquis has done it twice.

 

Neither are a good bet to do it next year.

 

I'd put the over/under around 185 for both of these guys.

[CubinNY]

I think Hendry really wanted to take a shot at Mulder, but he knew there was no way, given the history of the rotation the past few seasons.

 

Lilly and Marquis should,(should being the key word) pitch 200+ innings a piece. Of course if he pitches like last year I'm hoping those 200 innings are in AAA for Marquis.

 

Ted Lilly has never pitched 200 innings in his career (197 is the high point). Jason Marquis has done it twice.

 

Neither are a good bet to do it next year.

 

I'd put the over/under around 185 for both of these guys.

 

185 is right around Lilly's career average. 187 is Marquis' average. I think both will give up too many walks and HRs to get to 200. I'm just hoping Prior can pitch 185 innings. That would be a huge accomplishment.

[baseball7897]

This sounds like a Chris Carpenter project. Mulder probably will not be ready to pitch untill August, and that might be in the air. Dave Duncan is probably the best pitching coach who can handle these kinds of projects. He works very well with the veteran pitchers who are coming off some kind of arm injury. Im not expecting Mulder to have any kind of impact untill 2008. Not a bad deal for the Cards, IMO.