HOF Voting - this bothers me

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Our favorite Cubs club reporter:

 

Having watched Andre Dawson for most of his career and looking at him as my favorite player of all-time, I can't help but pull for him year after year for the HOF balloting. I am an adult now, but felt so small and childlike when I went to an autograph signing with Andre. I have one of his books and he autographed it. I couldn't even speak, I was in awe of a man who did so much for the game, so quietly. He played the game the way it should be played, without self-promoting or pandering, and did he ever play it well.

-- Kevin S., Rochester, N.Y.

 

That's one reason why I vote for the Hawk every year.

 

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

 

Muskat gets a vote? Seriously? Can I scribble some notes, shape them into terse and limited responses to fans' questions and get a HOF vote, too?

[Omar]

Well.. she is the official beat writer for the team. As long as she votes for Cubs, I dont care.

[cheapseats]

Well.. she is the official beat writer for the team. As long as she votes for Cubs, I dont care.

 

Bill Plaschke gets a vote, too, doesn't he?

 

Might as well throw darts to select HOFers.

[Outshined_One]

MSNBC wunderkind Mike Celzic (aka Hatguy) also gets a vote.

[bhogg]

my 12 week old chihuahua should get a vote over Muskat.

 

Her vote for the Hawk is the best thing I've read from her. Ever.

[otis89]

Well.. she is the official beat writer for the team. As long as she votes for deserving players, I don't care.

 

Fixed.

[Derwood]

Guess who gets to vote for stuff like MVP, etc. as well...

[Bruce Miles]

Guess who gets to vote for stuff like MVP, etc. as well...

 

No, she doesn't. She gets a Hall of Fame vote based on 10 years or more of BBWAA membership before joining mlb.com. Active members of the BBWAA vote for Cy Young, MVP and the like. Carrie was a BBWAA member from her days as a wire-service reporter for UPI and AP.

[Post Count Padder]

my 12 week old chihuahua should get a vote over Muskat.

 

Her vote for the Hawk is the best thing I've read from her. Ever.

 

Agreed. She is Captain Obvious.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

my 12 week old chihuahua should get a vote over Muskat.

 

Her vote for the Hawk is the best thing I've read from her. Ever.

 

Agreed. She is Captain Obvious.

 

 

So, put her, Madden and McCarver in a locked room. Which one is the last to proudly announce they'll need a key to open the door? Don't think too hard. Your head may explode.

[Roast]

 

 

So, put her, Madden and McCarver in a locked room. Which one is the last to proudly announce they'll need a key to open the door? Don't think too hard. Your head may explode.

 

OH no. thats tough.

[Guest]

Hard to tell if it is the person, the role or both with Carrie. I'm inclined to cut her a bit more slack than some here, as a lot of what she does is simply her job. She's paid to write common denominator pieces. If you want real analysis, go to BP, BA, Hardball Times or even here. :D

[Derwood]

Guess who gets to vote for stuff like MVP, etc. as well...

 

No, she doesn't. She gets a Hall of Fame vote based on 10 years or more of BBWAA membership before joining mlb.com. Active members of the BBWAA vote for Cy Young, MVP and the like. Carrie was a BBWAA member from her days as a wire-service reporter for UPI and AP.

 

Ah, my mistake. I lumped her in with Celzic and those guys.

[USSoccer]

 

Having watched Andre Dawson for most of his career...he played the game...ever so well.-- Kevin S., Rochester, N.Y.

 

That's one reason why I vote for the Hawk every year.

 

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

 

I edited that guy's mailbag submission to properly reflect the things he contained that were relevant to HOF voting.

[cheapseats]

 

Having watched Andre Dawson for most of his career...he played the game...ever so well.-- Kevin S., Rochester, N.Y.

 

That's one reason why I vote for the Hawk every year.

 

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

 

I edited that guy's mailbag submission to properly reflect the things he contained that were relevant to HOF voting.

 

Greg Maddux doesn't like to sign autographs. He might not get Carrie Muskat's vote.

[USSoccer]

 

Having watched Andre Dawson for most of his career...he played the game...ever so well.-- Kevin S., Rochester, N.Y.

 

That's one reason why I vote for the Hawk every year.

 

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

 

I edited that guy's mailbag submission to properly reflect the things he contained that were relevant to HOF voting.

 

Greg Maddux doesn't like to sign autographs. He might not get Carrie Muskat's vote.

 

Barry Rozner will vote twice for Maddux, so don't worry.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Having watched Andre Dawson for most of his career...he played the game...ever so well.-- Kevin S., Rochester, N.Y.

 

That's one reason why I vote for the Hawk every year.

 

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

 

I edited that guy's mailbag submission to properly reflect the things he contained that were relevant to HOF voting.

 

Greg Maddux doesn't like to sign autographs. He might not get Carrie Muskat's vote.

 

I wouldn't say Maddux doesn't like to sign. He just signs very few when he does sign.

[Bruce Miles]

Hard to tell if it is the person, the role or both with Carrie. I'm inclined to cut her a bit more slack than some here, as a lot of what she does is simply her job. She's paid to write common denominator pieces. If you want real analysis, go to BP, BA, Hardball Times or even here. :D

 

It's going to be a long time before you see pieces in the mainstream media that are akin to what they do in BP and the Hardball Times. Now and then, yes, but not regularly. And with some good reason. While most of the people here are in-tune with sabermetrics and the like, you must remember that this is a very specialized board and that many in the general public don't have the foggiest notion of what things like VORP are. Nor do they care to learn. I had an older reader ask me what OPS was. Another asked why I was constantly "carrying on" about on-base percentage.

The job of the baseball writer in the newspaper is to tell a story. Sometimes that story revolves around stats. Other times it centers on human interest or injury or intrigue of some sort. On top of that, you have very limited space with which to work in the paper. (As more papers focus more on their Web sites, that problem will be alleviated somewhat, thankfully.)

I still have to write for a general audience and bring many of them along slowly when it comes to some of the newer thinking that's shaping the game.

[goonys evil twin]

Hard to tell if it is the person, the role or both with Carrie. I'm inclined to cut her a bit more slack than some here, as a lot of what she does is simply her job. She's paid to write common denominator pieces. If you want real analysis, go to BP, BA, Hardball Times or even here. :D

 

It's going to be a long time before you see pieces in the mainstream media that are akin to what they do in BP and the Hardball Times. Now and then, yes, but not regularly. And with some good reason. While most of the people here are in-tune with sabermetrics and the like, you must remember that this is a very specialized board and that many in the general public don't have the foggiest notion of what things like VORP are. Nor do they care to learn. I had an older reader ask me what OPS was. Another asked why I was constantly "carrying on" about on-base percentage.

The job of the baseball writer in the newspaper is to tell a story. Sometimes that story revolves around stats. Other times it centers on human interest or injury or intrigue of some sort. On top of that, you have very limited space with which to work in the paper. (As more papers focus more on their Web sites, that problem will be alleviated somewhat, thankfully.)

I still have to write for a general audience and bring many of them along slowly when it comes to some of the newer thinking that's shaping the game.

 

daggum it!

[10man]

the more people you have to convince, the more time it takes to convince them, especially when it involves a lot of numbers with decimal points :)

[Guest]

Hard to tell if it is the person, the role or both with Carrie. I'm inclined to cut her a bit more slack than some here, as a lot of what she does is simply her job. She's paid to write common denominator pieces. If you want real analysis, go to BP, BA, Hardball Times or even here. :D

 

It's going to be a long time before you see pieces in the mainstream media that are akin to what they do in BP and the Hardball Times. Now and then, yes, but not regularly. And with some good reason. While most of the people here are in-tune with sabermetrics and the like, you must remember that this is a very specialized board and that many in the general public don't have the foggiest notion of what things like VORP are. Nor do they care to learn. I had an older reader ask me what OPS was. Another asked why I was constantly "carrying on" about on-base percentage.

The job of the baseball writer in the newspaper is to tell a story. Sometimes that story revolves around stats. Other times it centers on human interest or injury or intrigue of some sort. On top of that, you have very limited space with which to work in the paper. (As more papers focus more on their Web sites, that problem will be alleviated somewhat, thankfully.)

I still have to write for a general audience and bring many of them along slowly when it comes to some of the newer thinking that's shaping the game.

That's what I was trying to say. :D

 

It's also a great reminder for when I get my occasional itch to write. Whatever level of analysis is being done, the story is the key instead of the means of arriving at the story.

[UBlink]

I had an older reader ask me what OPS was.

 

Now that hurts. Why do I feel like the guy in the GEICO commercial?

[Bruce Miles]

I had an older reader ask me what OPS was.

 

Now that hurts. Why do I feel like the guy in the GEICO commercial?

 

Well, I'll be 50 in April, and the guy who asked about OPS is in his late 60s. The guy that said I was "carrying on" about on-base percentage claimed to be a Cubs fan for 60 years.

[goonys evil twin]

I had an older reader ask me what OPS was.

 

Now that hurts. Why do I feel like the guy in the GEICO commercial?

 

Well, I'll be 50 in April, and the guy who asked about OPS is in his late 60s. The guy that said I was "carrying on" about on-base percentage claimed to be a Cubs fan for 60 years.

 

Were these questions sent to you via telegraph?

[TruffleShuffle]

Hard to tell if it is the person, the role or both with Carrie. I'm inclined to cut her a bit more slack than some here, as a lot of what she does is simply her job. She's paid to write common denominator pieces. If you want real analysis, go to BP, BA, Hardball Times or even here. :D

 

Yeah, but to say that a big reason that Hawk gets her vote for the HOF is because he was a nice guy who signed lots of autographs? That doesn't qualify one to be in the Hall.