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illiniguy

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just checked it, it's about .336 minus ibb's

much higher than i thought - i must be thinking a previous year's stats.

I love how we are just going to assume he doesn't ever get any hits in those abs.

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Fun stat for the day: Soriano's OBP last year if you take out all of his intentional walks was a meager .316.

 

Fun fact for the day: WilliSC48's arithmetic skills stink.

 

Looks like you got me there. :oops:

 

But if you look at career totals, his OBP comes in at a whopping .325. Just what we need from our leadoff hitter. And it sounds like our 2nd hitter will either be DeRosa (career .330 OBP) or Izturis (career .295 OBP). Not really lighting the bases on fire. Our biggest problems last year were our pitching staff and our inability to get on base. I don't see how Hendry has fixed either problem.

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

 

So you're saying Soriano and DeRosa are the right guys in front of the middle of the order?

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

 

So you're saying Soriano and DeRosa are the right guys in front of the middle of the order?

I don't see how that's what UK is saying at all.

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

 

So you're saying Soriano and DeRosa are the right guys in front of the middle of the order?

 

At this stage, I think the Cubs would be best off going with Soriano and Murton at the top. Right guys? Not ideally, but the best of what they have.

 

That's an improvement as far as getting runners on for the heart of the order (moreso w/Murton hitting 2nd than the OBP diff. of Pierre/Soriano).

 

It would help score more runs than say Soriano and a lesser OBP.

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

 

So you're saying Soriano and DeRosa are the right guys in front of the middle of the order?

 

At this stage, I think the Cubs would be best off going with Soriano and Murton at the top. Right guys? Not ideally, but the best of what they have.

 

That's an improvement as far as getting runners on for the heart of the order (moreso w/Murton hitting 2nd than the OBP diff. of Pierre/Soriano).

 

It would help score more runs than say Soriano and a lesser OBP.

If Soriano's going to be #1, Murton had better be #2. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think Murton could be around the 380 mark next year.

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just checked it, it's about .336 minus ibb's

much higher than i thought - i must be thinking a previous year's stats.

I love how we are just going to assume he doesn't ever get any hits in those abs.

 

um, what does that have to do with it? i thought this was surprisingly high. it's not saying something bad about soriano. if we were talking about how ridiculously low it was, you might have a reason to interject with what you did, but it's not necessary here.

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nilodnayr

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Without the IBBs, Soriano's OBP last year would have been .337.
The best way to normalize for his abberant year of IBB would be to use his average IBB the prior years (about 6), rather than take them out entirely.
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I don't know why we debate on what might have been Soriano's OB% if you take out his IBB. His batting history shows clearly that he is a talented hitter with little plate discipline (K/BB ratio). Look at his numbers in the clutch - not real good.

 

He very well may be better in the leadoff spot, but the fact still remains that the Cubs NEED a guy in the 1 or 2 slot who gets on base. The answer is clear: Ryan Theriot or Matt Murton. Both are solid choices.

 

Soriano is going to lead off. He is also going to hit around 30 HR, score 100 runs, and have a K/BB clip of 150/30. Book it.

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At this point, I think the Cubs should stick with Jock, put Soriano in CF where he has max value, and I guess that's the team. No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready. At least Jones gives you HR power and some run production with his sub-340 OBP.

 

Unless Hendry can spin some of our excess young pitching into a genuine corner OF like Dunn or Crawford or Burrell, I say to heck with it.

 

And no, Baldelli is no great shakes, I see no reason to overpay for him.

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At this point, I think the Cubs should stick with Jock, put Soriano in CF where he has max value, and I guess that's the team. No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready. At least Jones gives you HR power and some run production with his sub-340 OBP.

 

Unless Hendry can spin some of our excess young pitching into a genuine corner OF like Dunn or Crawford or Burrell, I say to heck with it.

 

And no, Baldelli is no great shakes, I see no reason to overpay for him.

Do you know how well Pie hit in the second half of his season in Iowa?

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The Cubs also lacked pop as well in that line-up. Like OBP, that will get a boost from Lee.

 

Getting the right guys in front of the middle of the order will help as well.

 

So you're saying Soriano and DeRosa are the right guys in front of the middle of the order?

 

At this stage, I think the Cubs would be best off going with Soriano and Murton at the top. Right guys? Not ideally, but the best of what they have.

 

That's an improvement as far as getting runners on for the heart of the order (moreso w/Murton hitting 2nd than the OBP diff. of Pierre/Soriano).

 

It would help score more runs than say Soriano and a lesser OBP.

If Soriano's going to be #1, Murton had better be #2. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think Murton could be around the 380 mark next year.

 

If Floyd comes here, Murton's ABs will likely be significantly reduced. On days he plays I wouldn't mind seeing him bat #2.

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Has anyone mentioned that with the acquisition of Soriano, we no longer have to worry about Pie being forced into the leadoff role?

 

I guess that's a strange ancillary positive of the signing. Although it would have been much more affordable to just have the common sense not to try and turn him into a leadoff hitter. Then again, with GM's like Hendry and Colletti making up a market for so-called leadoff men, maybe it could still be useful to pretend he's a leadoff hitter, if it somehow increases his trade value later.

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No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready.

Pie hit .283 with a .341 OBP in Iowa last season.

 

He was really mashing the ball the last month and a half or so.

 

.310/.365/.548/.913 (126 AB) August

.444/.500/.889/1.389 (18 AB) September

 

I don't know if Pie is "ready," but he's pretty close.

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No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready.

Pie hit .283 with a .341 OBP in Iowa last season.

 

He was really mashing the ball the last month and a half or so.

 

.310/.365/.548/.913 (126 AB) August

.444/.500/.889/1.389 (18 AB) September

 

I don't know if Pie is "ready," but he's pretty close.

Now average in his winterball stats...

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No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready.

Pie hit .283 with a .341 OBP in Iowa last season.

 

He was really mashing the ball the last month and a half or so.

 

.310/.365/.548/.913 (126 AB) August

.444/.500/.889/1.389 (18 AB) September

 

I don't know if Pie is "ready," but he's pretty close.

Now average in his winterball stats...

 

Negron for CF!

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No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready.

Pie hit .283 with a .341 OBP in Iowa last season.

 

He was really mashing the ball the last month and a half or so.

 

.310/.365/.548/.913 (126 AB) August

.444/.500/.889/1.389 (18 AB) September

 

I don't know if Pie is "ready," but he's pretty close.

Now average in his winterball stats...

 

Negron for CF!

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E.J.

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No way Pie is ready, he hit 260 with a sub-340 OBP in Iowa, that's not major league ready.

Pie hit .283 with a .341 OBP in Iowa last season.

 

He was really mashing the ball the last month and a half or so.

 

.310/.365/.548/.913 (126 AB) August

.444/.500/.889/1.389 (18 AB) September

 

I don't know if Pie is "ready," but he's pretty close.

 

Pie was terrible during the Dominican Winter League. His line:

 

.216/.263/.272/.535

 

It's a small sample (only 125 at-bats), but it's still pretty awful. In an ideal world I'd like to see him spend all of next year in AAA with a call-up in September. He can then have the CF spot in 2008 if he shows he's ready.

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