Dodgers sign Schmidt (EDIT: Or they might not have)

[goonys evil twin]

Still though, Chris Carpenter is going to make 13M for the next 5 years while Jason Schmidt is going to make 16M. Schmidt's contract is in no way a good one, not for the Dodgers that is.

 

Yeah, and Santana only makes 12.5 on average for the next 2 years.

 

Carpenter didn't have any leverage to make anymore than that. It's a pointless comparison. Guys without free agent leverage aren't going to get as much as those who do.

[Mizzou]

Still though, Chris Carpenter is going to make 13M for the next 5 years while Jason Schmidt is going to make 16M. Schmidt's contract is in no way a good one, not for the Dodgers that is.

 

Yeah, and Santana only makes 12.5 on average for the next 2 years.

 

Carpenter didn't have any leverage to make anymore than that. It's a pointless comparison. Guys without free agent leverage aren't going to get as much as those who do.

How is it a pointless comparison? He didn't have to sign that contract. He chose to sign at that price.

 

What's your take on Schmidt's contract?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Comparing Schmidt to Carpenter is apples to oranges since one is on the open market and the other is under team's control for two more years.

[goonys evil twin]

Still though, Chris Carpenter is going to make 13M for the next 5 years while Jason Schmidt is going to make 16M. Schmidt's contract is in no way a good one, not for the Dodgers that is.

 

Yeah, and Santana only makes 12.5 on average for the next 2 years.

 

Carpenter didn't have any leverage to make anymore than that. It's a pointless comparison. Guys without free agent leverage aren't going to get as much as those who do.

How is it a pointless comparison? He didn't have to sign that contract. He chose to sign at that price.

 

What's your take on Schmidt's contract?

 

He was under team control for 2 more years at a low price. He had no leverage. He would be 34 looking for a new deal after making roughly 7.5m per year for 2 years. With his injury history, it was good for him to get all that guaranteed money 2 years before he'd have the chance to go to free agency.

 

Schmidt was pricey, but reasonable in comparison to the market. 3 years is team friendly.

[BigbadB]

Lilly at 4/44 or 5/55 in comparison to what Schmidt will get makes Schmidt's deal look a whole lot better.

[Abe Frohman]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

[BigbadB]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

 

Can I put that in my sig as a reminder? :D

 

He's going to be pitching in the pitching friendliest division in baseball, and now half of his games in one of the toughest parks to hit in. I think he'll do quite well.

 

Maddux had an ERA+ of 99 with the Cubs

He then got an ERA+ of 139 with the Dodgers

 

Did he all of a sudden become a better pitcher, or did park factors factor in?

 

Schmidt will be very good in LA. Maddux, however, might be even better in Petco.

[Jehrico]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

Agreed. I don't like Meche, but if you look at Meche's 2005 K/9, k/bb ratio, WHIP, ERA, innings, and homers then adjust down slightly for the NL where applicable, you'll have some stats lines that look an awful lot like Schmidts. Then consider age. I think I'd rather take Meche for 10 than Schmidt for the 16-18 I think it would take us.

[cheapseats]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

 

The going rate for a league average pitcher is about $10 million now.

 

But I'm with you in that I don't think he's going to be a dominant next year. Dodger Stadium has historically been a pitcher's park, but it actually played as a hitter's park last year.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

 

Note that PECOTA projects him to have a 4.13 ERA next year as a Dodger.

[cubs121]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

 

The going rate for a league average pitcher is about $10 million.

 

But I'm with you in that I don't think he's going to be a dominant next year. Dodger Stadium has historically been a pitcher's park, but it actually played as a hitter's park last year.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

 

Note that PECOTA projects him to have a 4.13 ERA next year as a Dodger.

isnt there something like a day/night thing there?...where its more of a pitchers park at night compared to the day because the ball carries more during the day then the night.

[BigbadB]

I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Schmidt isn't worth $10 million. See me after the 2007 season.

 

The going rate for a league average pitcher is about $10 million.

 

But I'm with you in that I don't think he's going to be a dominant next year. Dodger Stadium has historically been a pitcher's park, but it actually played as a hitter's park last year.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

 

Note that PECOTA projects him to have a 4.13 ERA next year as a Dodger.

isnt there something like a day/night thing there?...where its more of a pitchers park at night compared to the day because the ball carries more during the day then the night.

 

Yes. Which also includes the first part of all night games, where it's still light out. The marine layer usually starts rolling in a bit before dusk.

[Guest]

Maddux had an ERA+ of 99 with the Cubs

He then got an ERA+ of 139 with the Dodgers

 

Did he all of a sudden become a better pitcher, or did park factors factor in?

ERA+ adjusts for park factors. Maddux was a better pitcher in LA, but it wasn't just Chavez Ravine that helped him.

[BigbadB]

Maddux was very susceptble to the long ball, which would have a big impact on his ERA moving to such a pitcher's park.

[E.J.]

Chicago Sun-Times[/url]"]Piniella confirmed that the Cubs never were serious players for free-agent right-hander Jason Schmidt, who reached a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday.

 

 

:wall:

[Yeti]

Chicago Sun-Times[/url]"]Piniella confirmed that the Cubs never were serious players for free-agent right-hander Jason Schmidt, who reached a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday.

 

 

:wall:

not terribly upsetting or suprising, so long as he isnt a cardinal :w00t:

[soapy]

Chicago Sun-Times[/url]"]Piniella confirmed that the Cubs never were serious players for free-agent right-hander Jason Schmidt, who reached a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday.

 

 

:wall:

 

It's upsetting to me if they didn't pursue him (extensively). Maybe Schmidt told Hendry he had no interest no matter what, but I find that hard to believe.

[cubfan]

Chicago Sun-Times[/url]"]Piniella confirmed that the Cubs never were serious players for free-agent right-hander Jason Schmidt, who reached a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday.

 

 

:wall:

 

Depends on how you define "Serious players", The Royals were never serious contenders to win there division last year but it dosen't mean they didn't try. The way the Cubs have been spending money this off season, I think Hendry would have looked into Schmidt. If Schmidt had no interest in coming here then there was not much Hendry could do.

[kente777]

What's the edited title all about???

[C.C.]

Chicago Sun-Times[/url]"]Piniella confirmed that the Cubs never were serious players for free-agent right-hander Jason Schmidt, who reached a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday.

 

 

:wall:

 

It's upsetting to me if they didn't pursue him (extensively). Maybe Schmidt told Hendry he had no interest no matter what, but I find that hard to believe.

 

I'm sure if he had interest in coming here he would've been a Cub. Kap said last night that no team would've outbidded us for Schimdt. He just didn't want to come here. Don't beat yourself up over this. Can't force players to come here.