Week 13: Bears vs. Minnesota - Sunday, Dec 3, 12 pm CST

[hawkeyecub]

It just shows you how much more impressive the defense and special teams are that they could win by that much with such bad QB play.

 

No it really doesn't.

It shows you how incompetent Brad Johnson was and has been.

Your defense really wasn't very impressive yesterday. It was a result of Brad Johnson being incredibly bad and poor play-calling on the part of Childress more than any great defensive performance.

 

We completely gashed you on the ground all day long. Our three running backs had 31 carries for 187 yards (6 yards a carry). Ciatrick Fason had 1 carry all year and he had 75 yards on 11 carries yesterday, and his long was only 14. Chester Taylor gashed you, Fason gashed you and Moore gashed you. Holes were there all day long and the Bears tackling was poor. For some inexplicable reason, Childress went away from it.

 

Second half play-calling was awful. We carried it 5 times for 25 yards in the opening drive of the second half. Then Harris went out. Then we get the INT and the ball across midfield where we throw an INT on 1st down. Oh well, defense gets the ball back down 7-6 midway through the 3rd. We bust runs of 13, 13 and 6 setting up 2nd and 4 at your 45. Instead of staying on the ground we nearly throw a pick and then Manning takes the next pass back for 6. We get the ball back down 14-6 and throw on 1st down again, right to Urlacher.

 

Honestly look at the turnovers you forced, it was Johnson handing you the ball. One was a pass to a wide open tight end (in field goal range) who let the ball bounce off his pads into the air for an interception. Another was Johnson throwing a dump pass 8 yards too long to Urlacher. The first one was thrown right to a safety with no one in the vicinity. The Manning one was just Johnson being clueless.

 

Wow that was a long rant.

 

You're right, the Bears defense and special teams never make plays and that was all about Johnson.

 

Yeah because that's clearly what I was saying. Way to avoid all the points about awful quarterbacking and poor play calling and just come back with a sarcastic one-liner though.

 

So you were impressed by your defense being repeatedly gashed yesterday by a struggling offensive line and a running back who had 1 carry on the year? You're impressed by giving up 6 yards a carry and nearly 200 yards AT HOME to a team that hadn't sniffed that kind of success all year?

 

If you want to puff your chest out about how great your defense is because we have maybe the only starting QB worse than Grossman right now, then go ahead, it's just wrong.

The INT to Duggan was a great defensive play, wasn't it? Yeah we had our 3rd-string TE streaking across the 30, wide open but somehow you caused the ball to bounce off his pads straight into the air for a pick.

 

If the Vikings have a quarterback even close to league average, they run away with that game yesterday.

[Soul]

I'm kind of confused, now. I feel like Lovie has to change QB's with another stinker from Rex. Yet on the other hand, he seems to be backing Rex vehemently. I'm not so sure he'll make the change.

 

Why not just support Lovie in whatever he does?

 

1) 2 division titles does indeed buy you some respect and some slack.

 

2) Rex has played well this year, and put up 100+ QB ratings against two top NFC teams (Seattle and NY). Maybe he can't put it back together---but this idea that there's no chance is a little premature.

 

3) Yes, we can win the Super Bowl without a top offense. We just need to limit the turnovers to 1, maybe 2 per game. It's been done before, many times. All Turner needs to do to limit the turnovers is simply take the long pass formations and plays away. It can be done immediately.

 

4) According to everyone around here, Griese can come in with one maybe 2 games prior to the playoffs (I don't really agree, but hey that's alright). So sit back and relax; plenty of time to put Griese in later.

[Chocolate Milk]

I think you are probably right. Lovie has shown he knows the right time to cut bait.

 

One of the things that is frustrating me here is that I'm not sure what I WANT to happen? Would I rather have Griese come in to bring some consistancy? Rex has completely crapped the bed too many times for me to be comforable with him in the playoffs now. I think playing Rex would be better in the long term but the team is ready to win NOW.

 

I'm torn.

 

Since Griese is not immune to mistakes and far from a guarantee for the Bears to win the SB, I think I'd rather Grossman just start playing better.

 

I agree that Griese isn't immune to mistakes. I do think he'd be more likely to avoid games like:

 

14/37 144 0TD 4 INT 2 Fumbles lost

18/42 210 1TD 3 INT 1 Fumble lost

15/34 176 0TD 3 INT

6/19 34 0TD 3 INT

 

Those games are just incomprehensibly brutal.

[Chocolate Milk]

It just shows you how much more impressive the defense and special teams are that they could win by that much with such bad QB play.

 

No it really doesn't.

It shows you how incompetent Brad Johnson was and has been.

Your defense really wasn't very impressive yesterday. It was a result of Brad Johnson being incredibly bad and poor play-calling on the part of Childress more than any great defensive performance.

 

We completely gashed you on the ground all day long. Our three running backs had 31 carries for 187 yards (6 yards a carry). Ciatrick Fason had 1 carry all year and he had 75 yards on 11 carries yesterday, and his long was only 14. Chester Taylor gashed you, Fason gashed you and Moore gashed you. Holes were there all day long and the Bears tackling was poor. For some inexplicable reason, Childress went away from it.

 

Second half play-calling was awful. We carried it 5 times for 25 yards in the opening drive of the second half. Then Harris went out. Then we get the INT and the ball across midfield where we throw an INT on 1st down. Oh well, defense gets the ball back down 7-6 midway through the 3rd. We bust runs of 13, 13 and 6 setting up 2nd and 4 at your 45. Instead of staying on the ground we nearly throw a pick and then Manning takes the next pass back for 6. We get the ball back down 14-6 and throw on 1st down again, right to Urlacher.

 

Honestly look at the turnovers you forced, it was Johnson handing you the ball. One was a pass to a wide open tight end (in field goal range) who let the ball bounce off his pads into the air for an interception. Another was Johnson throwing a dump pass 8 yards too long to Urlacher. The first one was thrown right to a safety with no one in the vicinity. The Manning one was just Johnson being clueless.

 

Wow that was a long rant.

 

You're right, the Bears defense and special teams never make plays and that was all about Johnson.

 

Yeah because that's clearly what I was saying. Way to avoid all the points about awful quarterbacking and poor play calling and just come back with a sarcastic one-liner though.

 

So you were impressed by your defense being repeatedly gashed yesterday by a struggling offensive line and a running back who had 1 carry on the year? You're impressed by giving up 6 yards a carry and nearly 200 yards AT HOME to a team that hadn't sniffed that kind of success all year?

 

If you want to puff your chest out about how great your defense is because we have maybe the only starting QB worse than Grossman right now, then go ahead, it's just wrong.

The INT to Duggan was a great defensive play, wasn't it? Yeah we had our 3rd-string TE streaking across the 30, wide open but somehow you caused the ball to bounce off his pads straight into the air for a pick.

 

If the Vikings have a quarterback even close to league average, they run away with that game yesterday.

 

You keep pointing to one play like it was typical of every play. It wasn't. All other turnovers were forced by the Bears. Sorry bud, better luck next year.

[goonys evil twin]

Yeah because that's clearly what I was saying. Way to avoid all the points about awful quarterbacking and poor play calling and just come back with a sarcastic one-liner though.

 

So you were impressed by your defense being repeatedly gashed yesterday by a struggling offensive line and a running back who had 1 carry on the year? You're impressed by giving up 6 yards a carry and nearly 200 yards AT HOME to a team that hadn't sniffed that kind of success all year?

 

If you want to puff your chest out about how great your defense is because we have maybe the only starting QB worse than Grossman right now, then go ahead, it's just wrong.

The INT to Duggan was a great defensive play, wasn't it? Yeah we had our 3rd-string TE streaking across the 30, wide open but somehow you caused the ball to bounce off his pads straight into the air for a pick.

 

If the Vikings have a quarterback even close to league average, they run away with that game yesterday.

 

I'm not concerned about the "gashing" it's par for the course with the Bears, who tend to give up chunks of yards on the ground, but still destroy the other team with turnovers. Many of those yards were gained because of all the time they had to spend on the field (since the offense and special teams seemed to either score right away or turn it over right away) or after the Bears had a huge lead.

 

The Bears just kicked the crap out of the Vikings despite a horrible game from their QB. You can pretend the Vikes should have won, but the Bears have a tendancy to make QB's give games away.

[Soul]

I think you are probably right. Lovie has shown he knows the right time to cut bait.

 

One of the things that is frustrating me here is that I'm not sure what I WANT to happen? Would I rather have Griese come in to bring some consistancy? Rex has completely crapped the bed too many times for me to be comforable with him in the playoffs now. I think playing Rex would be better in the long term but the team is ready to win NOW.

 

I'm torn.

 

Since Griese is not immune to mistakes and far from a guarantee for the Bears to win the SB, I think I'd rather Grossman just start playing better.

 

I agree that Griese isn't immune to mistakes. I do think he'd be more likely to avoid games like:

 

14/37 144 0TD 4 INT 2 Fumbles lost

18/42 210 1TD 3 INT 1 Fumble lost

15/34 176 0TD 3 INT

6/19 34 0TD 3 INT

 

Those games are just incomprehensibly brutal.

 

Agreed, but Griese won't be shredding anyone like Grossman did to Seattle, Buffalo, the 49ers, and the Giants either.

 

I'm always amazed at the fickle nature of Chicago fans. When the offense is dink n' dunk, they rant, rave, complain, put up websites to "Fire Shoop!", make sarcastic comments about how terrible the offense is, "why don't we throw deep!."

 

Now the shoe's on the other foot. My how quickly we come crawling back to the Holy Shrine of John Shoop. All Hail the mighty Dink n' Dunk!

Edited December 4, 2006 by Soul

[hawkeyecub]

You did not have "receivers open all day" that is just completely absurd.

 

I like how you left out how pressure caused almost every Johnson interception.

 

Were you at the game? Yes they did.

I probably shouldn't have said "all day", but when they were and Johnson had time, he still missed them. The one time he saw the man wide open, he overthrew Marcus Robinson streaking down the sideline uncovered inside the 20.

Our recievers also dropped 8 passes yesterday.

 

You're right, the Bears did get pressure and that was impressive. But he wasn't pressured on the Manning INT for 6. What pressure caused the INT that went off Duggan's pads? He had plenty of time and Duggan was wide open.

I'll give you the other two although he had completely escaped the pressure on the first INT. On the final INT he was almost pulled down, escaped and threw it 5 yards over the head of Chester Taylor who was standing 5 yards away.

 

I just wouldn't be that excited about that defensive performance if I were you. The Vikings without a doubt have the worst WR corps in the league and now have a QB that is playing as badly as anyone in the league. Look at what our offense has done in previous weeks and compare it with yesterday.

[Soul]

You did not have "receivers open all day" that is just completely absurd.

 

I like how you left out how pressure caused almost every Johnson interception.

 

Were you at the game? Yes they did.

I probably shouldn't have said "all day", but when they were and Johnson had time, he still missed them. The one time he saw the man wide open, he overthrew Marcus Robinson streaking down the sideline uncovered inside the 20.

Our recievers also dropped 8 passes yesterday.

 

You're right, the Bears did get pressure and that was impressive. But he wasn't pressured on the Manning INT for 6. What pressure caused the INT that went off Duggan's pads? He had plenty of time and Duggan was wide open.

I'll give you the other two although he had completely escaped the pressure on the first INT. On the final INT he was almost pulled down, escaped and threw it 5 yards over the head of Chester Taylor who was standing 5 yards away.

 

I just wouldn't be that excited about that defensive performance if I were you. The Vikings without a doubt have the worst WR corps in the league and now have a QB that is playing as badly as anyone in the league. Look at what our offense has done in previous weeks and compare it with yesterday.

 

By the time the RMJ INT came, Johnson was feeling pressure regardless of whether it was there.

 

Duggan was about to get put in the hospital, which is why he gave up the ball.

[Chocolate Milk]

You did not have "receivers open all day" that is just completely absurd.

 

I like how you left out how pressure caused almost every Johnson interception.

 

Were you at the game? Yes they did.

I probably shouldn't have said "all day", but when they were and Johnson had time, he still missed them. The one time he saw the man wide open, he overthrew Marcus Robinson streaking down the sideline uncovered inside the 20.

Our recievers also dropped 8 passes yesterday.

 

You're right, the Bears did get pressure and that was impressive. But he wasn't pressured on the Manning INT for 6. What pressure caused the INT that went off Duggan's pads? He had plenty of time and Duggan was wide open.

I'll give you the other two although he had completely escaped the pressure on the first INT. On the final INT he was almost pulled down, escaped and threw it 5 yards over the head of Chester Taylor who was standing 5 yards away.

 

I just wouldn't be that excited about that defensive performance if I were you. The Vikings without a doubt have the worst WR corps in the league and now have a QB that is playing as badly as anyone in the league. Look at what our offense has done in previous weeks and compare it with yesterday.

 

By the time the RMJ INT came, Johnson was feeling pressure regardless of whether it was there.

 

Duggan was about to get put in the hospital, which is why he gave up the ball.

 

No, no no no. He was STREAKING down the field. Bears, lucky again.

 

If the Vikings had a quarterback who hit 100% of open receivers, they totally would have won. Allowing only 13 points, forcing 6 turnovers, and scoring a tocuhdown does not a defense make, guy. I was AT the game. AT it!

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm sure DVOA will validate the level of play for the Bears defense.

[hawkeyecub]

Yeah because that's clearly what I was saying. Way to avoid all the points about awful quarterbacking and poor play calling and just come back with a sarcastic one-liner though.

 

So you were impressed by your defense being repeatedly gashed yesterday by a struggling offensive line and a running back who had 1 carry on the year? You're impressed by giving up 6 yards a carry and nearly 200 yards AT HOME to a team that hadn't sniffed that kind of success all year?

 

If you want to puff your chest out about how great your defense is because we have maybe the only starting QB worse than Grossman right now, then go ahead, it's just wrong.

The INT to Duggan was a great defensive play, wasn't it? Yeah we had our 3rd-string TE streaking across the 30, wide open but somehow you caused the ball to bounce off his pads straight into the air for a pick.

 

If the Vikings have a quarterback even close to league average, they run away with that game yesterday.

 

I'm not concerned about the "gashing" it's par for the course with the Bears, who tend to give up chunks of yards on the ground, but still destroy the other team with turnovers. Many of those yards were gained because of all the time they had to spend on the field (since the offense and special teams seemed to either score right away or turn it over right away) or after the Bears had a huge lead.

 

The Bears just kicked the crap out of the Vikings despite a horrible game from their QB. You can pretend the Vikes should have won, but the Bears have a tendancy to make QB's give games away.

 

I'm not pretending the Vikings should have won. I'm saying anything close to a league-average QB wins that game handily. Even with an awful QB performance, any coach that's willing to stick with what isn't being stopped, has a very good shot at winning that game.

 

The Bears are a much better team than the Vikings. The Vikings are a team with an elite run defense, an awful pass defense, an average to above-average run game and an awful pass game. I don't have any illusions of the Vikings making some run to the playoffs or doing anything if they should somehow squeak in.

 

I just don't think the Bears defensive performance yesterday was all that impressive, especially when you put it in the context of what the Vikings have done offensively this year. Their special teams were great as they have been, no question about that.

For clarification, they didn't get many of those rushing yards after the Bears had a huge lead. We only had 25 yards on 6 carries after the Bears made it a 14-6 game.

[hawkeyecub]

No, no no no. He was STREAKING down the field. Bears, lucky again.

 

If the Vikings had a quarterback who hit 100% of open receivers, they totally would have won. Allowing only 13 points, forcing 6 turnovers, and scoring a tocuhdown does not a defense make, guy. I was AT the game. AT it!

 

There you go. Instead of actually discussing anything or providing reasons for why I'm wrong, go back to the usual sarcastic responses. That really is impressive and intelligent.

:roll:

 

No Duggan was not about to get put in the hospital. Get out a tape or DVR recording and watch that play again. He was wide open and had 5 yards of room.

[hawkeyecub]

By the way for clarification, I'm not arguing that the Bears defense isn't one of, if not the best in the league. I'm talking about yesterday's performance in particular. It's also been clear for a month now that this Vikings team wasn't going anywhere so I'm not distraught about it.

At least Johnson was benched (again) and Bollinger was injured so we got to see Tarvaris.

 

I just don't think the Bears defense was that impressive yesterday. They allowed the Vikings to run the ball better than they have all year long, especially when you consider the circumstances. That's not good. They won't play against that poor of a QB and WR group in the playoffs.

[goonys evil twin]

No Duggan was not about to get put in the hospital. Get out a tape or DVR recording and watch that play again. He was wide open and had 5 yards of room.

 

You are delusional. He would have been lucky to take one step forward before losing his head.

[Chocolate Milk]

No, no no no. He was STREAKING down the field. Bears, lucky again.

 

If the Vikings had a quarterback who hit 100% of open receivers, they totally would have won. Allowing only 13 points, forcing 6 turnovers, and scoring a tocuhdown does not a defense make, guy. I was AT the game. AT it!

 

There you go. Instead of actually discussing anything or providing reasons for why I'm wrong, go back to the usual sarcastic responses. That really is impressive and intelligent.

:roll:

 

No Duggan was not about to get put in the hospital. Get out a tape or DVR recording and watch that play again. He was wide open and had 5 yards of room.

 

What's there to discuss? You have overblown every aspect of the game to favor the Vikings. Why can't I do the same?

 

You say "People were open all day" then reference one play where a ball was overthrown. I question this and you say "I was AT the game" like my opinion is now somehow invalid. Guess what? I've been to about 6 games this year and there is a guy open on about 70% of all passing plays. If a QB is being rushed, can't get the ball to them, and then throws an interception, that doesn't = bad defense. A Vikings homer is saying that people were wide open all over the field and an "average" QB would have shreaded the Bears. Excuse me if I take that with a grain of salt while also considering the following things:

 

Bears Passing Defense:

 

#1 in INT's

#2 in YPG

#1 in YPA

#1 in DVOA by a WIDE margin.

#1 in TD allowed

#4 in completion % allowed.

#1 in QB rating allowed.

 

Do I need to go on here? Seriously? Act like the Bears got lucky on pass defense all you want. You're wrong. Act like the Manning Jr. INT was just a bad throw when Manning jumped the route. Again, wrong. Ok, we get it. One guy dropped a pass and it was picked off but stop trying to act like that was par for the course on Sunday. It wasn't.

 

Yes, the Bears had issues in rush defense. They have had issues this year since losing Mike Brown. They were on the field for 40 mins. Even the best defense is going to give up yards somewhere after 40 mins.

 

If dogging the Bears defense is making you feel better about the game, well keep doing it, I guess.

[Banedon]

What's there to discuss? You have overblown every aspect of the game to favor the Vikings. Why can't I do the same?

 

You say "People were open all day" then reference one play where a ball was overthrown. I question this and you say "I was AT the game" like my opinion is now somehow invalid. Guess what? I've been to about 6 games this year and there is a guy open on about 70% of all passing plays. If a QB is being rushed, can't get the ball to them, and then throws an interception, that doesn't = bad defense. A Vikings homer is saying that people were wide open all over the field and an "average" QB would have shreaded the Bears. Excuse me if I take that with a grain of salt while also considering the following things:

 

Bears Passing Defense:

 

#1 in INT's

#2 in YPG

#1 in YPA

#1 in DVOA by a WIDE margin.

#1 in TD allowed

#4 in completion % allowed.

#1 in QB rating allowed.

 

Do I need to go on here? Seriously? Act like the Bears got lucky on pass defense all you want. You're wrong. Act like the Manning Jr. INT was just a bad throw when Manning jumped the route. Again, wrong. Ok, we get it. One guy dropped a pass and it was picked off but stop trying to act like that was par for the course on Sunday. It wasn't.

 

Yes, the Bears had issues in rush defense. They have had issues this year since losing Mike Brown. They were on the field for 40 mins. Even the best defense is going to give up yards somewhere after 40 mins.

 

If dogging the Bears defense is making you feel better about the game, well keep doing it, I guess.

 

If the Bears hadn't kept "flexing" all day, it would have been different though.

[Soul]

By the way for clarification, I'm not arguing that the Bears defense isn't one of, if not the best in the league. I'm talking about yesterday's performance in particular. It's also been clear for a month now that this Vikings team wasn't going anywhere so I'm not distraught about it.

At least Johnson was benched (again) and Bollinger was injured so we got to see Tarvaris.

 

I just don't think the Bears defense was that impressive yesterday. They allowed the Vikings to run the ball better than they have all year long, especially when you consider the circumstances. That's not good. They won't play against that poor of a QB and WR group in the playoffs.

 

The game wasn't close. You keep saying a mediocre QB would have beaten the Bears. I can play that game too. Any kind of mediocre QB performance from the Bears and we slaughter you by 30 points. So there.

 

If BOTH teams had mediocre QB performances, what do you get? Probably a 10 point Bears win.

 

I'm sure I'm a bit biased, but it does seem that you are playing what-ifs with the Vikes, while ignoring the fact that the Bears played their worst football of the year and still took out the Vikes with little trouble at all.

[hawkeyecub]

By the way for clarification, I'm not arguing that the Bears defense isn't one of, if not the best in the league. I'm talking about yesterday's performance in particular. It's also been clear for a month now that this Vikings team wasn't going anywhere so I'm not distraught about it.

At least Johnson was benched (again) and Bollinger was injured so we got to see Tarvaris.

 

I just don't think the Bears defense was that impressive yesterday. They allowed the Vikings to run the ball better than they have all year long, especially when you consider the circumstances. That's not good. They won't play against that poor of a QB and WR group in the playoffs.

 

The game wasn't close. You keep saying a mediocre QB would have beaten the Bears. I can play that game too. Any kind of mediocre QB performance from the Bears and we slaughter you by 30 points. So there.

 

If BOTH teams had mediocre QB performances, what do you get? Probably a 10 point Bears win.

 

I'm sure I'm a bit biased, but it does seem that you are playing what-ifs with the Vikes, while ignoring the fact that the Bears played their worst football of the year and still took out the Vikes with little trouble at all.

 

I'm not playing what-ifs with the Vikes. That's what you guys are missing. I'm simply saying the Bears defense didn't play outstanding yesterday and the Vikings own ineptitude was more to blame.

And the game was close for the most part. It was 7-6 and the Vikings had the ball at midfield with momentum and a few minutes left in the 3rd. Then the Bears put on a heck of a blitz in about a 4 minute span to put it away. But for 3 quarters it was very close.

 

Chocolate Milk you're completely fixated on one comment out of about 100 I made. Yes, I already said I shouldn't have said "all day." That's been one of the major knocks on Johnson, even when he has time he doesn't find an open man. When he does have an open man, he doesn't hit him. When he does hit him, they drop the ball 1/3 of the time. If you really think I'm saying the Bears got lucky on pass defense, I didn't say the Bears got lucky on pass defense. Our passing game is anemic. I said that those turnovers were more of an indictment on Johnson and our passing game (Manning's was the best play by the defense) than any great defensive play.

You really have a hard time comprehending all of this, don't you? Yep, saying that they have a top 2-3 defense in the league is really dogging them. Man, I'm giving them no respect. Of course Bears fans are paranoid about getting their just due from outside sources.

 

I'll simply ask you guys this and await your answer: Which defense do you think played better yesterday?

[goonys evil twin]

Which defense do you think played better yesterday?

 

Between the Bears and Vikings?

 

Are you serious?

[hawkeyecub]

Which defense do you think played better yesterday?

 

Between the Bears and Vikings?

 

Are you serious?

 

Well partially. The question was designed to get a different response, but it really isn't so outrageous when you hold a team to approximately 100 yards:

 

Team A: Allowed 6 offensive points while it was competitive

Team B: Allowed 7 offensive points while it was competitive

 

Team A: Allowed 348 total yards

Team B: Allowed 107 total yards

 

Team A: Allowed 5.5 yards per rush

Team B: Allowed 3.3 yards per rush

 

Team A: Allowed starting QB to go 11/26, 73 yards, 4 INT, 10.3 Rating

Team B: Allowed starting QB to go 6/19, 34 yards, 3 INT, 1.3 Rating

 

The difference was the Bears basically getting 9 points from their special teams and the Vikings getting none. The Vikings defense allowed the Bears to score 7 points set up by their offense, and that was on a drive where they got the ball at the Vikings 25 or 30.

[BigbadB]

I'll simply ask you guys this and await your answer: Which defense do you think played better yesterday?

 

I'm going to answer this as truthfully as possible. The Bears defense definitely has some weaknesses. However, most of their weaknesses take place between the 30's. Between the 30's, the Bears give up yardage. Their pass rush isn't what it should be these days. In the red zone, the Bears are still one of the best, if not the best, in the league.

 

The Bears coughed up 4 turnovers in the first half, yet the defense gave up a mere 3 points off those turnovers. Stellar considering.

 

Rex was horrible yesterday. I saw Kyle Orton play better than that, and Orton was horrible.

 

To have as many weapons as Grossman has and play that miserably makes it even worse that he has such a bad day. He's got 4 respectable to excellent receivers in Moose, Berrian, Davis and Bradley. He's got a TE that can catch the ball. He's got running backs that found holes that should have opened up the passing game, but Rex just didn't have it. I was all in favor of letting Griese get some snaps yesterday.

 

The Bears defense didn't allow the Vikings to score with good field position on many occasions. They were the better defense yesterday.

[cubweiser03]

Guys. Ive seen couple replays of Cedric TD run and ummmm its pretty good. Dudes got speed to get around the corner and turn up field. Few running backs in the NFL could make that run. Most definetly his best run of the year and a showcase of what his ablities are.

[Soul]

Guys. Ive seen couple replays of Cedric TD run and ummmm its pretty good. Dudes got speed to get around the corner and turn up field. Few running backs in the NFL could make that run. Most definetly his best run of the year and a showcase of what his ablities are.

 

I know. I didn't think Benson had that burst when he came into the league. I was wrong. He's not only a bruising runner, but he can bounce it outside as well.

 

It's pretty clear Benson's the better back. I know there's a loyalty to TJ, but he's no longer the best RB on the team. I still like TJ, but I'm more excited when Benson is getting carries than TJ.

[Banedon]

Guys. Ive seen couple replays of Cedric TD run and ummmm its pretty good. Dudes got speed to get around the corner and turn up field. Few running backs in the NFL could make that run. Most definetly his best run of the year and a showcase of what his ablities are.

 

I know. I didn't think Benson had that burst when he came into the league. I was wrong. He's not only a bruising runner, but he can bounce it outside as well.

 

It's pretty clear Benson's the better back. I know there's a loyalty to TJ, but he's no longer the best RB on the team. I still like TJ, but I'm more excited when Benson is getting carries than TJ.

 

I'm resolved to the fact that Benson won't be the primary back this season. He's getting enough carries to do damage, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to accept that for now. But I don't think TJ will be here next year. I think Benson is going to be the primary back next year.

[hawkeyecub]

No Duggan was not about to get put in the hospital. Get out a tape or DVR recording and watch that play again. He was wide open and had 5 yards of room.

 

You are delusional. He would have been lucky to take one step forward before losing his head.

 

False.

 

I have it on DVR and just slowed it down right now. Duggan is at the 34 yard line when the ball bounces off his pads. Briggs is 6 yards behind him, just across the 40. Vasher is at the 36, but about 7-8 yards toward the sideline. The safety is all the way upfield at the 25.

He had 5 yards before he got hit by anyone and I doubt Vasher was going to knock him out, nor was Briggs when he was chasing him from behind.