Jacque Jones Trade Value

[killthegoat06]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

I agree.

[CubinNY]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

If I were Hendry, I'd hang on to him unless I could trade him for a CFer or in a package that brought a CFer. Or unless I acquire one some other way.

 

The Cubs still have a lot of work to do.

[BWcubs21]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

agreed. Jones looks very nice in CF, especially considering what replacments would cost in dollars or in prospects. However if we can trade him for a very solid pitcher then I would have no objections.

[goonys evil twin]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

[YearofDaCubs]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

And I believe that's exactly what this offense still needs is another good middle order hitter.

[erik316wttn]

While there are still other bats out there, Jones' value isn't all that high. I think we should wait till January or February and then talk with teams that were looking for an OF bat who got shut out in the FA market. I think his value will be highest then.

 

Can you explain why you feel this way? In a market where Pierre gets 10 million, why do you think Jones value at 4 or 5 a year 'isn't all that high'?

 

The Cubs can market his mainstream numbers. He was the 3rd best producing RF in the NL last year.

 

My point is that if you attempt to trade Jones now, you won't get as much for him as there are more desireable bats on the market right now. If you wait until those bats are signed, then Jones becomes more valuable than he is now to a team that lost out on the FA OF they wanted.

[CubinNY]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

 

I don't necessarly disagree, but I don't think they need another run producer. With Lee, Aramis, and Soriano they have three pretty good ones. I think they need at least one or two guys who can get on base with regularity at the top of the order.

 

I know a lot of people have discussed this but I beleive putting Soriano at the top of the order is a waste of his SLG.

 

Unless things change they still will be a an "on base" challenged team.

[Guest]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

Do you like Jones over Barrett or Murton?

 

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Sorry...I read that as you thought he was the fifth best hitter, not the #5 hitter.

[goonys evil twin]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

 

I don't necessarly disagree, but I don't think they need another run producer. With Lee, Aramis, and Soriano they have three pretty good ones. I think they need at least one or two guys who can get on base with regularity at the top of the order.

 

I know a lot of people have discussed this but I beleive putting Soriano at the top of the order is a waste of his SLG.

 

Unless things change they still will be a an "on base" challenged team.

 

Unfortunately, it's just not realistic to think of Soriano as anything but the leadoff hitter. Every indication is that he was promised the spot and wants to stay in the spot.

 

The Cubs need an impact bat.

[AlwaysaCub]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

 

I don't necessarly disagree, but I don't think they need another run producer. With Lee, Aramis, and Soriano they have three pretty good ones. I think they need at least one or two guys who can get on base with regularity at the top of the order.

 

I know a lot of people have discussed this but I beleive putting Soriano at the top of the order is a waste of his SLG.

 

Unless things change they still will be a an "on base" challenged team.

 

Unfortunately, it's just not realistic to think of Soriano as anything but the leadoff hitter. Every indication is that he was promised the spot and wants to stay in the spot.

 

The Cubs need an impact bat.

 

That impact bat will have to come through trade, and probably not a trade involving Jaque Jones. Trading Jaque for a different bat is not much of an upgrade, because we still would have 2.5 black holes in our lineup on the days Zambrano isn't pitching. I doubt we can afford one of the last two impact bats available in JD or Lee.

[CubColtPacer]

If Jones can get us a good starting pitcher (#2 to an above-average #3 type), then do it. We need the starting pitching badly. Otherwise, we're probably better off keeping him.

 

Especially with the price CFers are being payed this year.

 

I don't think JJ likes it in Chicago after all the abuse he took. I think he would welcome a trade. But a lot can change with him in CF and with Soriano on the team. Last year the Cubs really needed him to produce, now that is not so much the case.

 

The Cubs really need him to produce this year. Anything less than what he did last year would hurt the team. He's still the 5th hitter, as things stand today. They haven't added a single middle of the order hitter.

 

I don't necessarly disagree, but I don't think they need another run producer. With Lee, Aramis, and Soriano they have three pretty good ones. I think they need at least one or two guys who can get on base with regularity at the top of the order.

 

I know a lot of people have discussed this but I beleive putting Soriano at the top of the order is a waste of his SLG.

 

Unless things change they still will be a an "on base" challenged team.

 

Unfortunately, it's just not realistic to think of Soriano as anything but the leadoff hitter. Every indication is that he was promised the spot and wants to stay in the spot.

 

The Cubs need an impact bat.

 

Do 3 #6 type hitters add up to be the same as a 5,6, and 7? I agree that the Cubs don't have anyone who fits well into the 5 spot, but I think that out of Jones, Barrett, and Murton they are all better than a 7 hitter as well. I think that would balance it out.

[goonys evil twin]

Do 3 #6 type hitters add up to be the same as a 5,6, and 7? I agree that the Cubs don't have anyone who fits well into the 5 spot, but I think that out of Jones, Barrett, and Murton they are all better than a 7 hitter as well. I think that would balance it out.

 

Good for them, but we still have DeRosa and Izturis in the lineup, a couple of guys who should probably be 8 hitters. I know you have to accept less than ideal in certain spots, but the Cubs are already doing that. The top of the lineup is probably going to lack OBP, the 5 spot is probalby not going to be very good, the middle infield is probably going to be below average. It's an offense you can live with, but without a dominant pitching staff, it's not going to be an offense you can thrive with.

[CubinNY]

Unfortunately, it's just not realistic to think of Soriano as anything but the leadoff hitter. Every indication is that he was promised the spot and wants to stay in the spot.

 

The Cubs need an impact bat.

 

I know, and that is what bothers me. They will have to slug their way to the top.

 

However, if they get Shmidt I will like the overall team much more, obviously.

[CubColtPacer]

Do 3 #6 type hitters add up to be the same as a 5,6, and 7? I agree that the Cubs don't have anyone who fits well into the 5 spot, but I think that out of Jones, Barrett, and Murton they are all better than a 7 hitter as well. I think that would balance it out.

 

Good for them, but we still have DeRosa and Izturis in the lineup, a couple of guys who should probably be 8 hitters. I know you have to accept less than ideal in certain spots, but the Cubs are already doing that. The top of the lineup is probably going to lack OBP, the 5 spot is probalby not going to be very good, the middle infield is probably going to be below average. It's an offense you can live with, but without a dominant pitching staff, it's not going to be an offense you can thrive with.

 

The DeRosa who's likely to be league average at second base? It's not like the OPS for second base is very high around the league. With that description, pretty much every team has at least 2 hitters who should be 8 hitters.

[radarluv1]

maybe we can help LA unload that furcal contract? that would allow derosa to go where he belongs at #8.

[goonys evil twin]

Do 3 #6 type hitters add up to be the same as a 5,6, and 7? I agree that the Cubs don't have anyone who fits well into the 5 spot, but I think that out of Jones, Barrett, and Murton they are all better than a 7 hitter as well. I think that would balance it out.

 

Good for them, but we still have DeRosa and Izturis in the lineup, a couple of guys who should probably be 8 hitters. I know you have to accept less than ideal in certain spots, but the Cubs are already doing that. The top of the lineup is probably going to lack OBP, the 5 spot is probalby not going to be very good, the middle infield is probably going to be below average. It's an offense you can live with, but without a dominant pitching staff, it's not going to be an offense you can thrive with.

 

The DeRosa who's likely to be league average at second base? It's not like the OPS for second base is very high around the league. With that description, pretty much every team has at least 2 hitters who should be 8 hitters.

 

The DeRosa who could be anything from Neifi bad to Walker good. He's never been an everyday player, let alone everyday second baseman. There is massive downside risk starting such a player, and relying on him to be anything more than mediocre.

[CubColtPacer]

Do 3 #6 type hitters add up to be the same as a 5,6, and 7? I agree that the Cubs don't have anyone who fits well into the 5 spot, but I think that out of Jones, Barrett, and Murton they are all better than a 7 hitter as well. I think that would balance it out.

 

Good for them, but we still have DeRosa and Izturis in the lineup, a couple of guys who should probably be 8 hitters. I know you have to accept less than ideal in certain spots, but the Cubs are already doing that. The top of the lineup is probably going to lack OBP, the 5 spot is probalby not going to be very good, the middle infield is probably going to be below average. It's an offense you can live with, but without a dominant pitching staff, it's not going to be an offense you can thrive with.

 

The DeRosa who's likely to be league average at second base? It's not like the OPS for second base is very high around the league. With that description, pretty much every team has at least 2 hitters who should be 8 hitters.

 

The DeRosa who could be anything from Neifi bad to Walker good. He's never been an everyday player, let alone everyday second baseman. There is massive downside risk starting such a player, and relying on him to be anything more than mediocre.

 

Agreed-I just happen to think that a reasonable projection for him this year would be to be mediocre (for a 2B), which would still be a pretty big drop from what he did last year. That's all he really has to do for this to be an above average offense right now IMO.

[goonys evil twin]

Agreed-I just happen to think that a reasonable projection for him this year would be to be mediocre (for a 2B), which would still be a pretty big drop from what he did last year. That's all he really has to do for this to be an above average offense right now IMO.

 

If he is mediocre for a 2B, that gets back to the original point that you still have 2 #8 hitters. Therefore, 3 #6 hitters doesn't trump a 5/6/7. These labels don't mean a whole lot though. The point is the Cubs are far from ideal offensively. Again, that's fine, as long as your pitching is awesome. But their pitching isn't awesome. So, at this point, the best bet is to still improve the pitching and hitting. Thankfully, it looks like Hendry has the financial freedom to make up for some of his past mistakes and get this goal accomplished.

[Vinestal]

*sigh* someone needs to buy goony a "I hate DeRosa" T-shirt. I think people are going to be happy with DeRosa.

[goonys evil twin]

*sigh* someone needs to buy goony a "I hate DeRosa" T-shirt.

 

I'll be fine with my I'm not delusional hat.

[Vinestal]

LOL Im changing my avatar, you've inspired me goony

[A New Era]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

[Guancous]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes.

 

66 wins will do that to you. Now that I think about it, another starter who can give the Cubs 200 innings of a 5.00 ERA will be a huge improvement over last year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

We've only improved at one of the outfield spots. Jones is still Jones(and '07 Jones is likely to be worse than '06 Jones) even if he moves to a different position. Also, DeRosa is far from a guarantee to be an upgrade over our 2B production in '06(.274/.326/.411/.737).

[Guest]

We've improved at RF, CF, and 2B and some people still aren't happy. That's the way of the world sometimes. :-k

 

How can you say we've improved RF and CF? Have the Cubs added more than one new player in the outfield? 2b is hardly an improvement ove last year's starter either and could be just as bad as Lee's replacement.