Trib says Figgins could come to Chi-town

[Derwood]

He is so fast though...its like he is driving in runs with his legs.

*waits for the awesome photoshop*

*from Derwood*

 

Quick and Dirty:

 

http://www.simleaguebaseball.com/derwood/figgins.jpg

[Soriano12]

He is so fast though...its like he is driving in runs with his legs.

*waits for the awesome photoshop*

*from Derwood*

 

Quick and Dirty:

 

http://www.simleaguebaseball.com/derwood/figgins.jpg

 

LOL..that made my day... :lol:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How about we give them Dempster for Figgins? Now that might be a deal I could get behind.

 

if they would want him, it wouldn't be a bad idea as long as the cubs are confident that howry can close.

 

I'm pretty confident that Wuertz can close.

[mg420]

How about we give them Dempster for Figgins? Now that might be a deal I could get behind.

 

if they would want him, it wouldn't be a bad idea as long as the cubs are confident that howry can close.

 

I'm pretty confident that Wuertz can close.

 

he wouldnt be a bad option either. i just worry about his drop in stuff when he works on 3 or more consecutive days. for some his slider flatens out and his fastball is noticably less fast when he is used too much. he certainly has the stuff to be an effective closer.

[Twiggy]

I hope they don't go after figgins.

[goonys evil twin]

Figgins is the type of guy who is valuable as a pre-arbitration guy coming up through your system. If you can produce such a guy to throw into the mix, and pay him well below league average, he's fine. But once he starts hitting those arbitration seasons, and especially after he hits free agency, he's going to be overpaid for underproduction. He's owed more than $8m over the next two years, and that's simply too much for what he does, especially if you have to give up talent to get him.

[cheapseats]

according to this article the angels might be looking for bullpen help for figgens:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-angels2nov02,1,867262.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-dodger

 

i wonder if ohman & novoa would be enough to get chone. he steals 50 bases, put up a .750 ops & play just about everywhere. he would be a good fit in cf and leading off next year imo.

 

A .345 career OBP (.336 this season) does not make for a good leadoff hitter.

i disagree

2006 plaoff team's regular season leadoff obp:

 

cards .350

detroit .335

padres .360

mets .354

oakland .367

yankees .359

dodgers .369

 

Not sure how you can post that list and still disagree. All of those, except for Detroit, were well above what Figgins did this season.

 

his career obp is .345 with a career high of .352 which is within close range of every one of those listed.

 

And PECOTA doesn't project he'll hit .352 again in the next four years.

 

I suspect when the new PECOTA projections (that incorporate this season's data) are released, Figgins' projections will be lower than they were before.

[Jon]

Not that isolating ABs by batting order is a great way to judge a leadoff hitter, but he was 30th out of 31 hitters at the top of the order among major league hitters with at least 300 ABs there with an OBP of .321. Only Biggio was worse.

 

As has already been said, Figgins just isn't a good player.

[Abe Frohman]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

[USSoccer]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

[Magnetic Curses]

Figgins isn't good.

 

But he's not bad. Well, he was pretty bad this year, but at worst, you get a cheaper, younger Pierre with better defense and more versatility. I wouldn't mind this deal assuming several other things fall into place and that the cost was low. He's essentially Black Ryan Freel with a shade less discipline and a shade more average usually. He had a sudden 30 point BABIP drop last season, so he would be poised for a bounceback.

 

his discipline is more than a shade under freel's, though. freel's career isod is like .093, which is very rare among any kind of player, let alone a versatile player like him. figgins is around .060, which is still decent. i say if we're thinking about figgins, just go after freel, who's a better option at leadoff. those .033 points of isod probably aren't valued as high as the perceived value of figgins's speed, so he'd probably come at or below the same price in players, and freel is cheaper in dollars.

[Magnetic Curses]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

pierre actually had a better SLG and OPS than figgins last season, though. i'm not saying figgins won't bounce back, but as far as true power last season, pierre was superior.

[TruffleShuffle]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

pierre actually had a better SLG and OPS than figgins last season, though. i'm not saying figgins won't bounce back, but as far as true power last season, pierre was superior.

 

not really. Pierre's SLG was higher because he had a higher BA. Figgins had an IsoP of .109, Pierre's was .096.

[Magnetic Curses]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

pierre actually had a better SLG and OPS than figgins last season, though. i'm not saying figgins won't bounce back, but as far as true power last season, pierre was superior.

 

not really. Pierre's SLG was higher because he had a higher BA. Figgins had an IsoP of .109, Pierre's was .096.

 

my bad.

[Balsa]

He is so fast though...its like he is driving in runs with his legs.

*waits for the awesome photoshop*

*from Derwood*

 

Quick and Dirty:

 

http://www.simleaguebaseball.com/derwood/figgins.jpg

AHAHHA....excellent....

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He doesn't even know how to spell Shawn.

[goonys evil twin]

He doesn't even know how to spell Shawn.

 

No, he just mispronounces Chone.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'd take supersub over Pierre any day. It would allow us to keep Murton and Pie and give a reasonable productive player to plug in when guys like Aramis and Izturis need days off, which they will.

 

It allows you to have specialty guys on your bench, i.e. a guy who can mash lefties and doesn't have to have versatility in the field. That's huge. It eliminates the need for guys like Macias and Bynum, who are really just a waste of a roster spot.

[goonys evil twin]

It eliminates the need for guys like Macias and Bynum,

 

There is no need to eliminate a need that never existed.

[rawaction]

Meh to Figgins. If he's playing 2B or SS and hitting 7th or 8th, he's not a bad player to have. He's just not productive enough to be the everyday CF between Murton and Jones, who aren't big producers themselves. That makes it mandatory for the Cubs to get big-time production at 2B/SS, which is much harder.

 

I'd really hate to trade much for him. A reliever sounds good. Hopefully a guy like Dempster or Eyre, I wouldn't want to give up a good reliever like Howry or a cheap/good one like Wuertz.

 

I guess I could live with Chone (heh) at 2B and leading off, if the Cubs got a big time OF bat and put a .360-.370 OBP in the 2-hole (Murton).

[RichHillIsABeast]

It eliminates the need for guys like Macias and Bynum,

 

There is no need to eliminate a need that never existed.

 

You don't need positional flexibility off the bench?

 

They sucked offensively. No argument there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You don't need positional flexibility off the bench?

 

Not particularly.

[RichHillIsABeast]

You don't need positional flexibility off the bench?

 

Not particularly.

 

Yeah, a bench full of DHs will do the trick.

[goonys evil twin]

It eliminates the need for guys like Macias and Bynum,

 

There is no need to eliminate a need that never existed.

 

You don't need positional flexibility off the bench?

 

They sucked offensively. No argument there.

 

There is no need for guys who can play 7 positions, and play them poorly, without hitting a lick. The Cubs treated Macias's "ability" to play both IF and OF as a value worth paying extra for, when, in fact, there was no value. The only time you might need such a player, is during the course of one game, when multiple guys gets injured. But you are much better off just plugging in guys at positions for that one game, and then calling up somebody from AAA if you need them later. It's stupid to guarantee roster spots and significant money to players based on their ability to go anywhere in the field.

 

Your bench should be able to hit, first and foremost. If you get into a position where you need such a crappy utility guy, call up somebody from the minors the next day. Don't waste the 161 games for the insurance of that 1 game where they might help you.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You don't need positional flexibility off the bench?

 

Not particularly.

 

Yeah, a bench full of DHs will do the trick.

 

Clearly, the only alternatives are a bench full of DHs and bench full of guys who can suck at 7 positions.