Julio Lugo?

[CuseCubFan69]

Is anyone worried about Lugos drop-off upon going to the Dodgers? Small sample (49 games, 146 at bats) but the line was .219/.278/.267. Of course, maybe he lowered his price by doing that.

 

Just wonder which Lugo we get, the one from Tampa who put up OBPs over .360 the last few years, or the one from LA and Houston who put up pretty atrocious numbers.

 

It's the Cubs, need you ask? Of course we'd get the LA version.

Wasn't it under Piniella that Lugo's offense started to turn-around?

 

Managers just lose games for their teams...they have nothing to do with any of the teams success. None. Can't. Just being at the right place at the right time is all it is.

[CuseCubFan69]

Is anyone worried about Lugos drop-off upon going to the Dodgers? Small sample (49 games, 146 at bats) but the line was .219/.278/.267. Of course, maybe he lowered his price by doing that.

 

Just wonder which Lugo we get, the one from Tampa who put up OBPs over .360 the last few years, or the one from LA and Houston who put up pretty atrocious numbers.

 

It's the Cubs, need you ask? Of course we'd get the LA version.

Wasn't it under Piniella that Lugo's offense started to turn-around?

 

Managers just lose games for their teams...they have nothing to do with any of the teams success. None. Can't. Just being at the right place at the right time is all it is. Yep, that's the ticket.

[Abe Frohman]

Lugo for short, Soriano for center, Theriot for second.

 

Theriot

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Soriano

Jones

Barrett

Murton

 

or some variation. Um, yeah, that should work out ok. Sign a starter quality backup outfielder (Lofton) to hedge your bet on Theriot (if he tanks, you move Soriano back to second, and put Lofton in center). Then spend everything else on pitching. :D

 

I like that a lot, but I would make a couple changes in the lineup. I would hit Murton 2nd/move Lugo down to 8th - and I would switch Soriano and Ramirez in the lineup (DLee is a SB threat, while Ramirez is not. No use in having ARam in front of Soriano on the bases when Alfonso is the best SB threat on the team).

 

2B Theriot

LF Murton

1B Lee

CF Soriano

3B Ramirez

RF Jones

CA Barrett

SS Lugo

 

That is a damned solid lineup with a pretty good mix of speed and power.

[cubweiser03]

I like Lugo. Let him play 2b, and then when Iz gets hurt, which he usually does, move him over there and start Theriot at 2b. Lugo could also play a little 3b when Aram needs a rest or has his hamstring tighten up, which it usually does, and ooh ooh put The Riot at second again. If/when the Cubs find a suitor for Iz (or in 2007....OMG a plan in advance!) you can put lugo at SS and you guessed it, move The Riot to 2b! Yah-yah.

[Guest]

Is anyone worried about Lugos drop-off upon going to the Dodgers? Small sample (49 games, 146 at bats) but the line was .219/.278/.267. Of course, maybe he lowered his price by doing that.

 

Just wonder which Lugo we get, the one from Tampa who put up OBPs over .360 the last few years, or the one from LA and Houston who put up pretty atrocious numbers.

 

It's the Cubs, need you ask? Of course we'd get the LA version.

Wasn't it under Piniella that Lugo's offense started to turn-around?

 

Managers just lose games for their teams...they have nothing to do with any of the teams success. None. Can't. Just being at the right place at the right time is all it is. Yep, that's the ticket.

 

you can say that again.

[Wheelimus]

I like Lugo. Let him play 2b, and then when Iz gets hurt, which he usually does, move him over there and start Theriot at 2b. Lugo could also play a little 3b when Aram needs a rest or has his hamstring tighten up, which it usually does, and ooh ooh put The Riot at second again. If/when the Cubs find a suitor for Iz (or in 2007....OMG a plan in advance!) you can put lugo at SS and you guessed it, move The Riot to 2b! Yah-yah.

 

Well, I keep forgetting that Theriot was a shortstop coming up, so he could probably handle that if Arthritic Piece of Crap's bat somehow loses him the starting job. :lol:

 

Man, is the sarcasm thick in this thread or what. :D

[soapy]

Ideally, I'd like to see Lugo at SS, Soriano at 2B and Pie in CF.

 

Soriano 2B

Lugo SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Barrett C

Jones/Platoon RF

Murton LF

Pie CF

 

If Soriano isn't insistant on leading off, I'd probably go:

 

Lugo SS

Murton LF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Soriano 2B

Barrett C

Jones/Platoon RF

Pie CF

 

I don't suspect that's going to happen because I'm guessing Hendry is much higher on Izturis than I am. In my hypothetical, he gets moved for pitching. This is probably one of the more economical ways to upgrade the offense IMO because Lugo's salary won't be that much more than Izturis' and Pie will be cheap.

[TruffleShuffle]

no thanks, he gets on base too much. cedeno or izturis is a much better fit for this club

[YearofDaCubs]

Lugo for short, Soriano for center, Theriot for second.

 

Theriot

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Soriano

Jones

Barrett

Murton

 

or some variation. Um, yeah, that should work out ok. Sign a starter quality backup outfielder (Lofton) to hedge your bet on Theriot (if he tanks, you move Soriano back to second, and put Lofton in center). Then spend everything else on pitching. :D

I would be happy with that lineup actually. And I would be ecstatic to see Izturis a goner.

[Mizzou]

Lugo in 49 games with the Dodgers this year: 219/278/267.

 

That's an awful line, and signing him would be a pretty big risk.

[Pinktermite]

Lugo's another stopgap, not much better than Izturis in the long scope. The Cubs need to do something bold and go after a real game changer, no more [expletive]-footing around.

[CubsWin]

Lugo in 49 games with the Dodgers this year: 219/278/267.

 

That's an awful line, and signing him would be a pretty big risk.

So a player's most recent 49 games count more than what he has been doing over the last 388 games? Of Lugo's 49 games with the Dodgers, only 32 of them were starts. Plus, he was being moved all over the field. He played some OF, 3B, SS and 2B. He never really had a chance to establish himself and get any sort of rhythm. So are we really prepared to judge Julio Lugo's current ability to perform on his last 32 starts?

 

When you look at his last three full seasons, he seems to be a fairly safe bet to get on base about 35% of the time. His floor on OBP is about 33.5% and his ceiling is near 36.5% maybe higher. Defensively, he is good and versatile. He would be more proven than Theriot and better than Izturis. What's not to like? Sign him.

 

And hey, if a player's most recent 50 or so games are indeed a solid indicator of what is to come then the Cubs don't have to worry about signing a MIF because Theriot's last 53 games were HOF worthy. So they're set. :wink:

[CubsWin]

Lugo's another stopgap, not much better than Izturis in the long scope. The Cubs need to do something bold and go after a real game changer, no more [expletive]-footing around.

I agree that having Lugo be the Cubs main FA signing wouldn't get the job done, but no one is saying that the Cubs will be done after signing Lugo.

 

The question is, is he an improvement over what the Cubs currently have. I think the answer is yes. For what he will cost to acquire, is there another free agent SS out there, they should target instead? I don't think so. So then signing Lugo would be a good idea, wouldn't it?

[CuseCubFan69]

Lugo in 49 games with the Dodgers this year: 219/278/267.

 

That's an awful line, and signing him would be a pretty big risk.

 

I wonder how many of those were line drive outs? He may have hit the ball ok but didn't have anything to show for it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lugo in 49 games with the Dodgers this year: 219/278/267.

 

That's an awful line, and signing him would be a pretty big risk.

 

I wonder how many of those were line drive outs? He may have hit the ball ok but didn't have anything to show for it.

 

Good call. As a Dodger, Lugo had a 22% LD% and only a .274 BABIP. That's astonishingly unlucky.

[Jazz]

I think if we could somehow pry Tejada from baltimore to play SS and lugo for 2B, we would be in business.

[CubsWin]

I think if we could somehow pry Tejada from baltimore to play SS and lugo for 2B, we would be in business.

I think you would be correct, sir.

 

Now, how do the Cubs pry Tejada from Baltimore?

[Yestheydo]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel? He could share CF with Pie and 2B with Theriot. It idiot-proofs the top of the lineup, and leaves lots of money to spend on the rotation, which is where it really really needs to go. Plus Pie and Theriot get plenty of opportunities to establish themselves as possible everyday players for next year.

 

Freel

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Murton

Jones

Barrett

Theriot/ Pie

[AllStarMe]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel? He could share CF with Pie and 2B with Theriot. It idiot-proofs the top of the lineup, and leaves lots of money to spend on the rotation, which is where it really really needs to go. Plus Pie and Theriot get plenty of opportunities to establish themselves as possible everyday players for next year.

 

Freel

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Murton

Jones

Barrett

Theriot/ Pie

 

I like Freel, but I think the Cubs need a little more pop from either CF or one of the middle IF spots, considering that both the corner OFs are average at best, power-wise. If you go with Pie and Theriot, I'd like Feel as insurance for those positions/supersub, then get the bigger bat at SS.

[CubsWin]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

[Rob]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

 

Maybe Izturis is open to switching to middle relief?

[cheapseats]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

 

Kearns

Lopez

Wagner

 

for

 

Majewski

Bray

Thomspon

Harris

Clayton

[TruffleShuffle]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

 

Kearns

Lopez

Wagner

 

for

 

Majewski

Bray

Thomspon

Harris

Clayton

 

Freel for Izturus is even more ridiculous than that trade, though.

[CubsWin]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

 

Maybe Izturis is open to switching to middle relief?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Yestheydo]

What if they signed Lugo, and traded Izturis to the Reds for Ryan Freel?

Why would the Reds ever agree to that?

All right, throw in Wuertz or Aardsma. The Reds need to improve defensively; I actually think Krivsky would salivate at the thought of an Izturis/ Phillips dp combo. Phillips can lead off. Denorfia and Hopper both filled in capably for Freel late in the season. I'm sure it would take more than Izturis, but dangle the right pitcher and I bet it could happen.