Lou Piniella the New Cubs Manager

[goonys evil twin]

They still have too many things to control like their pitching staff and when to pull them and who to put in. I think winning and job security would count more than trying to justify yourself by making moves just to make them. I just don't see them as being that stupid.

 

I think they convince themselves that their moves are so important to the team, so they have to make them, which to me, is akin to justifying your salary. They are paid like NFL coaches, whose strategies matter, but don't matter nearly as much.

 

Why and how do you know this? Are these just your opinions or are they facts?

 

Baseball is a game of one on one matchups. Football is a game of team strategy. Are you seriously going to try and contradict my claim that football coaches and their strategies are far more important than baseball managers and their strategies?

 

Assuming players did as they were told. An average fan could come into a baseball game and win any individual game (not saying he would win, just that he could) with simple decisions that a manager needs to make. Fill out a lineup card, let them hit, go to the pen when you need it. An average fan would not stand a chance in a football game.

Edited October 17, 2006 by goony's evil twin

[Soul]

Prove the world? What does that even mean?

 

I think there are plenty of times when one is perfectly justified in not giving a person the benefit of the doubt.

 

It means just because you were right about Baker doesn't show anything.

[goonys evil twin]

Prove the world? What does that even mean?

 

I think there are plenty of times when one is perfectly justified in not giving a person the benefit of the doubt.

 

It means just because you were right about Baker doesn't show anything.

 

It shows that it's possible to make a decision on somebody based on past performance.

[Soul]

Prove the world? What does that even mean?

 

I think there are plenty of times when one is perfectly justified in not giving a person the benefit of the doubt.

 

It means just because you were right about Baker doesn't show anything.

 

It shows that it's possible to make a decision on somebody based on past performance.

 

How about taking Piniella's World Series championship from 1990 and making a decision based on that?

[goonys evil twin]

Prove the world? What does that even mean?

 

I think there are plenty of times when one is perfectly justified in not giving a person the benefit of the doubt.

 

It means just because you were right about Baker doesn't show anything.

 

It shows that it's possible to make a decision on somebody based on past performance.

 

How about taking Piniella's World Series championship from 1990 and making a decision based on that?

 

I said I didn't have the same feelings about Lou as I did Baker. I'm mildly optimistic, but it all depends on the talent they acquire.

[CuseCubFan69]

They still have too many things to control like their pitching staff and when to pull them and who to put in. I think winning and job security would count more than trying to justify yourself by making moves just to make them. I just don't see them as being that stupid.

 

I think they convince themselves that their moves are so important to the team, so they have to make them, which to me, is akin to justifying your salary. They are paid like NFL coaches, whose strategies matter, but don't matter nearly as much.

 

Why and how do you know this? Are these just your opinions or are they facts?

 

Baseball is a game of one on one matchups. Football is a game of team strategy. Are you seriously going to try and contradict my claim that football coaches and their strategies are far more important than baseball managers and their strategies?

 

Assuming players did as they were told. An average fan could come into a baseball game and win any individual game (not saying he would win, just that he could) with simple decisions that a manager needs to make. Fill out a lineup card, let them hit, go to the pen when you need it. An average fan would not stand a chance in a football game.

 

The bolded part is the part I don't agree with.

[goonys evil twin]

The bolded part is the part I don't agree with.

 

Because they keep making the same stupid moves and the masses applaud them for "making things happen".

[David]

They still have too many things to control like their pitching staff and when to pull them and who to put in. I think winning and job security would count more than trying to justify yourself by making moves just to make them. I just don't see them as being that stupid.

 

I think they convince themselves that their moves are so important to the team, so they have to make them, which to me, is akin to justifying your salary. They are paid like NFL coaches, whose strategies matter, but don't matter nearly as much.

 

 

I'm guessing this is just very poorly worded? Not something I'd expect to hear you say, goony.

 

The baseball managers strategies don't matter as much. Poorly worded.

 

Thought so.

[Omar]

Either Piniella is naturally shiny, or he's sweating like Joe Borowski during the press conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

The bolded part is the part I don't agree with.

 

Because they keep making the same stupid moves and the masses applaud them for "making things happen".

 

Now you're blaming priests? When will the far reaching blame game end?

 

That's not the managers fault that people applaud or critisize what they do, they can't make up their (press/fans) minds.

[goonys evil twin]

The bolded part is the part I don't agree with.

 

Because they keep making the same stupid moves and the masses applaud them for "making things happen".

 

Now you're blaming priests? When will the far reaching blame game end?

 

That's not the managers fault that people applaud or critisize what they do, they can't make up their (press/fans) minds.

 

I'm not saying it's their fault that they are applauded. But the praise for "the little things" leads managers to continue doing the little things, because that is what they are "supposed to do".

[CuseCubFan69]

The bolded part is the part I don't agree with.

 

Because they keep making the same stupid moves and the masses applaud them for "making things happen".

 

Now you're blaming priests? When will the far reaching blame game end?

 

That's not the managers fault that people applaud or critisize what they do, they can't make up their (press/fans) minds.

 

I'm not saying it's their fault that they are applauded. But the praise for "the little things" leads managers to continue doing the little things, because that is what they are "supposed to do".

 

IMO managers are there to help their team win games, not impress people.

[Balsa]

Either Piniella is naturally shiny, or he's sweating like Joe Borowski during the press conference.

That's anger radiating off his skin.

[Sammy Sofa]

Either Piniella is naturally shiny, or he's sweating like Joe Borowski during the press conference.

That's anger radiating off his skin.

 

He hustled his way up to the podium.

[Soul]

Either Piniella is naturally shiny, or he's sweating like Joe Borowski during the press conference.

That's anger radiating off his skin.

 

He hustled his way up to the podium.

 

He just realized he was in Chicago.

[cubweiser03]

They just showed a clip of the Piniella/Dibble fight. Lou yells during the fight to Dibble. "YOU DONT WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A MAN". So classic.

[Sammy Sofa]

Either Piniella is naturally shiny, or he's sweating like Joe Borowski during the press conference.

That's anger radiating off his skin.

 

He hustled his way up to the podium.

 

He just realized he was in Chicago.

 

"Hey, quit clogging the stage!"

[NCCubFan]

I just read in todays trib that Lee Elia would consider coming to work with Lou if he is asked. He told baltimore he is a free agent. The man may actually come back to Chicago. If Lou wants him, id say he's coming.

That would be interesting, considering the circumstances under which he was fired as manager (the infamous tirade). There actually is some precedence for such a move. The Cardinals once hired Red Schoendinst as a coach after they fired him as manager. I suspect other teams have as well.

[Banedon]

It's possible this has been posted elsewhere, but this was in todays Daily Herald.

 

Piniella said he values statistical analysis in general.

 

“I like numbers; I love numbers,” he said. “I look at all the reports. I think the game of baseball is a percentage game. The more I can keep percentages on our team’s side, the more successful the team will be.

 

“Do I use my gut from time to time? Yeah, obviously. But if it’s gut or numbers, you give me the numbers 90 percent of the time, and that’s the end of that.”

 

We'll have to see if he means that, or if he's just saying it to say it.

[frostwyrm]

It's possible this has been posted elsewhere, but this was in todays Daily Herald.

 

Piniella said he values statistical analysis in general.

 

“I like numbers; I love numbers,” he said. “I look at all the reports. I think the game of baseball is a percentage game. The more I can keep percentages on our team’s side, the more successful the team will be.

 

“Do I use my gut from time to time? Yeah, obviously. But if it’s gut or numbers, you give me the numbers 90 percent of the time, and that’s the end of that.”

 

We'll have to see if he means that, or if he's just saying it to say it.

Even if Lou does use numbers it won't help unless he understands what the numbers mean. If you asked Dusty I'm sure he also would have said he used numbers to keep percentages on his side, but unfortunately Dusty's grasp of stats was so poor he may actually have been better off going with his gut fulltime. We have to hope Lou is smarter.