Top 3 Managerial Candidates

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

 

Well regardless, as far as I know he's still the manager of the Red Sox, so why are we talking about him being the manager of the Cubs?

 

Because of newspaper reports that the Cubs asked for, or will ask for, permission to speak with him.

 

 

If that OBP nugget is true, I'd settle for laissez-faire clubhouse rules.

 

I read that also, but disregarded it. Why in gods name would he want to leave Boston to come manage the Cubs. I laughed at that report.

[goonys evil twin]

I read that also, but disregarded it. Why in gods name would he want to leave Boston to come manage the Cubs. I laughed at that report.

 

If Boston granted permission, it would be because they would have no problem with him leaving. If they don't have a problem with him leaving, then maybe he wouldn't have a problem leaving.

[FergieJ31]

In his office, or maybe in the clubhouse or locker-room -- yes, absolutely -- the owner may yell at whomever he pleases. Not on the baseball field and not when it interferes with the game or the manager's job. I have nothing but admiration for Joe for telling Loria to shut the f up.

 

What is your opinion on the Mark Cuban issue?

 

I'd make exactly the same comment about Cuban - if in fact he does interfere with a game by blasting the refs. The Mavs coach should be able to tell him to cool it.

 

I'm not a big basketball fan but from what I can tell his court-side tirades are tolerated pretty well by the league.

 

The record level of fines indicates otherwise.

 

I see ... I stand corrected.

 

If owner tirades actually influenced winning pct, then owners could optimize the tradeoff between wins and league fines somehow ... too bad they don't.

 

Even still, I'd love to see Cuban buy the Cubs - but that's a pipe dream.

[A New Era]

i do think the missing ingredient for this terrible offense was hustle.

 

Joke all you want. But a new manager who is strict and who is not "a buddy" will preach hustle and not tolerate mistake and excuses. It's just this "sentiment" of playing the game a certain way can help to get MORE out of your players.

 

Same thing in a work force. You are going to work harder if you have a boss who is a "means business" type of boss. And I don't mean in a bad way. I mean in a way where he expects results and you respect him for that and work harder. Haven't we all seen that this team has been underacheiving for years? Dusty Baker was a big part in that in how he managed his ballclub. And I don't mean we shouldn't go out and get some offensive and pitching upgrades either. Doesn't anyone agree with me here, even a little?

[FergieJ31]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

 

Well regardless, as far as I know he's still the manager of the Red Sox, so why are we talking about him being the manager of the Cubs?

 

Hence the "not gonna happen" in my previous post - but it's a pleasant thought nonetheless.

 

I laughed at that report in the paper too, but then again after the disappointing season the Red Sox had, I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see them part ways with Francona.

[CubinNY]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

[johnnyba99]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

[C.C.]

i do think the missing ingredient for this terrible offense was hustle.

 

Joke all you want. But a new manager who is strict and who is not "a buddy" will preach hustle and not tolerate mistake and excuses. It's just this "sentiment" of playing the game a certain way can help to get MORE out of your players.

 

Same thing in a work force. You are going to work harder if you have a boss who is a "means business" type of boss. And I don't mean in a bad way. I mean in a way where he expects results and you respect him for that and work harder. Haven't we all seen that this team has been underacheiving for years? Dusty Baker was a big part in that in how he managed his ballclub. And I don't mean we shouldn't go out and get some offensive and pitching upgrades either. Doesn't anyone agree with me here, even a little?

 

I don't know. I think for the most part Dusty's players played hard for him.

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

 

Well regardless, as far as I know he's still the manager of the Red Sox, so why are we talking about him being the manager of the Cubs?

 

Hence the "not gonna happen" in my previous post - but it's a pleasant thought nonetheless.

 

I laughed at that report in the paper too, but then again after the disappointing season the Red Sox had, I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see them part ways with Francona.

 

If they were going to part ways they would've did it by now.

[goonys evil twin]

If they were going to part ways they would've did it by now.

 

Boston's front office works in mysterious ways.

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

 

They actually had Brian Roberts most of the season. Youkilis had 391 AB and Roberts had 560 AB in the leadoff spot. Both had very respectable OBP. although...

[Rob]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

 

They actually had Brian Roberts most of the season. Youkilis had 391 AB and Roberts had 560 AB in the leadoff spot. Both had very respectable OBP. although...

 

Ummm... Brian Roberts?

[goonys evil twin]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

 

They actually had Brian Roberts most of the season. Youkilis had 391 AB and Roberts had 560 AB in the leadoff spot. Both had very respectable OBP. although...

 

951 leadoff at bats? Coco Crisp was #2 at leadoff for Boston with 236. Roberts left Boston a while ago.

[ToupeeOnFire]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

 

They actually had Brian Roberts most of the season. Youkilis had 391 AB and Roberts had 560 AB in the leadoff spot. Both had very respectable OBP. although...

 

951 leadoff at bats? Coco Crisp was #2 at leadoff for Boston with 236. Roberts left Boston a while ago.

Brian Roberts played for Boston? I think you mean Mark Bellhorn.

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Francona was on the Discovery Channel's show about the science of baseball (i.e., sabermetrics) and talked glowingly about the *new* types of analytical analysis. I don't know if affects his management though.

That he had Youkilis as his leadoff hitter most of the season would make me believe it does affect his management.

 

They actually had Brian Roberts most of the season. Youkilis had 391 AB and Roberts had 560 AB in the leadoff spot. Both had very respectable OBP. although...

 

951 leadoff at bats? Coco Crisp was #2 at leadoff for Boston with 236. Roberts left Boston a while ago.

 

Sorry guys, I have to lay off the crack. Roberts name was under Youkilis and bos and bal kinda ran together. busy day at work and wasn't thinking. Der!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Here'sthe transcript of Larry Beinfest's comments on Girardi's firing.

 

I think if you read it carefully, it's clear that Girardi didn't work well with the people in Florida.

 

Winning can mask some of the internal problems. It cannot, however, trump the overall functioning of our organization.

 

``The relationship between a manager and the rest of the club, especially in baseball operations, specifically myself, Mike Hill and others on the baseball side of our organization is a balancing act. To work best, it requires management skills on and off the field.

 

``There must be give and take on both sides. If that is absent, for whatever reason, then it doesn't work. Decisions that effect who comprises the roster must be made in a collaborative way, and not unilaterally.

 

It sounds to me that he was implying that Girardi was not good at collaborating with the rest of the baseball people in the Marlins organization. I'm not sure that is the type of person who would make a good choice.

 

I'm also certain that these issues will likely keep Hendry from pursuing Girardi.

[Guest]

At this point I think I'd be content with any new manager not named Lou Piniella. Despite these deplorably low expectations, I'm confident the Cubs will fail to meet them yet again.

[Guest]

It sounds to me that he was implying that Girardi was not good at collaborating with the rest of the baseball people in the Marlins organization. I'm not sure that is the type of person who would make a good choice.

It depends on who he's supposed to be collaborating with. If he's fighting a lot of Jim Hendry decisions then maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing. :wink:

[goonys evil twin]

It sounds to me that he was implying that Girardi was not good at collaborating with the rest of the baseball people in the Marlins organization. I'm not sure that is the type of person who would make a good choice.

It depends on who he's supposed to be collaborating with. If he's fighting a lot of Jim Hendry decisions then maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing. :wink:

 

True.

[RichHillIsABeast]

The biggest positive in BB's favor is his MAN LOVE FOR MURTON!!!

 

Hendry allows a lot of player acquisition input from his manager (Dusty was 90% according to Hendry).

 

I'd have to believe that BB keeps Murton, especially since BB has noted that the "big bats" available in LF don't give that much more production than Murton for the money and Murton is developing nicely.

 

 

 

I'll be happy with either BB or Girardi in the dugout. Louie P can wait another couple of years for an immediate contender.

[Chocolate Milk]

Bruce Levine reports that Sweet Lou is the #1 candidate and should be interviewed in the next couple days.

[Bruno7481]

Here'sthe transcript of Larry Beinfest's comments on Girardi's firing.

 

I think if you read it carefully, it's clear that Girardi didn't work well with the people in Florida.

 

Winning can mask some of the internal problems. It cannot, however, trump the overall functioning of our organization.

 

``The relationship between a manager and the rest of the club, especially in baseball operations, specifically myself, Mike Hill and others on the baseball side of our organization is a balancing act. To work best, it requires management skills on and off the field.

 

``There must be give and take on both sides. If that is absent, for whatever reason, then it doesn't work. Decisions that effect who comprises the roster must be made in a collaborative way, and not unilaterally.

 

It sounds to me that he was implying that Girardi was not good at collaborating with the rest of the baseball people in the Marlins organization. I'm not sure that is the type of person who would make a good choice.

 

I'm also certain that these issues will likely keep Hendry from pursuing Girardi.

 

I'm not saying he didn't have issues, but Beinfest isn't exactly an unbiased source. Like I said before, they Marlins organization will have to do a lot of spin control to promote his firing as a positive thing. based on only on his better than expected record and support of players.

 

Hendry said great things about Baker, did you beleive him?

[A New Era]

Here'sthe transcript of Larry Beinfest's comments on Girardi's firing.

 

I think if you read it carefully, it's clear that Girardi didn't work well with the people in Florida.

 

Winning can mask some of the internal problems. It cannot, however, trump the overall functioning of our organization.

 

``The relationship between a manager and the rest of the club, especially in baseball operations, specifically myself, Mike Hill and others on the baseball side of our organization is a balancing act. To work best, it requires management skills on and off the field.

 

``There must be give and take on both sides. If that is absent, for whatever reason, then it doesn't work. Decisions that effect who comprises the roster must be made in a collaborative way, and not unilaterally.

 

It sounds to me that he was implying that Girardi was not good at collaborating with the rest of the baseball people in the Marlins organization. I'm not sure that is the type of person who would make a good choice.

 

I'm also certain that these issues will likely keep Hendry from pursuing Girardi.

 

God if that's the case we better hope Brenly gets the job. I'm sure we all don't want "sweet lou". .

[cubweiser03]

The interview:

 

Jim: I like guys who catch the ball, do you?

Lou: Yeah. Who the ^&%$ doenst like guys who catch the ball.

Jim: Good. How can we improve our RISP with 2 outs?

Lou: What the *&^% is RISP? Im all about W's.

Jim: Next

 

I actually like Lou, just not sure i want him managing my Cubs.

[FergieJ31]

Bruce Levine reports that Sweet Lou is the #1 candidate and should be interviewed in the next couple days.

 

[Homer] D'oh!! [/Homer]