Tyler Colvin

[Balsa]

July Stats:

 

.314/.364/.529/.893

 

In 121 ABs, 38 hits, 10 doubles, 2 triples, 3 HR, 9 BB, 19 SO

 

August Stats:

 

.229/.262/.432/.698

 

In 118 ABs, 27 hits, 1 double, 4 triples, 5 HR, 5 BB, 29 SO

 

 

How did his doubles suffer so much?! How did he hit more triples than doubles? :shock:

 

Also, thoughts on his total year?

 

Final line: .268/.313/.438/.796

 

Hmmm....just noticed those numbers are from the Boise Hawks website which has only been updated to 9/6/06.....

[CaliforniaRaisin]

9/6 was when the regular season ended.

[Jehrico]

July Stats:

 

.314/.364/.529/.893

 

In 121 ABs, 38 hits, 10 doubles, 2 triples, 3 HR, 9 BB, 19 SO

 

August Stats:

 

.229/.262/.432/.698

 

In 118 ABs, 27 hits, 1 double, 4 triples, 5 HR, 5 BB, 29 SO

 

 

How did his doubles suffer so much?! How did he hit more triples than doubles? :shock:

 

Also, thoughts on his total year?

 

Final line: .268/.313/.438/.796

 

Hmmm....just noticed those numbers are from the Boise Hawks website which has only been updated to 9/6/06.....

He hit 2 more HRs in August than July in fewer atbats. I think the brass must have been pleased with his "progress." :roll:

[Mephistopheles]

God I love first round tweener outfielders that get relegated to fourth outfielders.

 

*sigh*

[WrigleyField 22]

While the early results are not promising, it is too soon judge him as 4th outfielder already.

[Outshined_One]

IsoD by month (not including postseason):

 

June: .069 (9 PA)

July: .050 (131 PA)

August: .033 (124 PA)

September: .047 (24 PA)

 

Yeah, I can't say I'm too thrilled with that trend. One can only hope he was tired and will improve next season...but I am concerned.

[Mephistopheles]

While the early results are not promising, it is too soon judge him as 4th outfielder already.

 

Actually I thought he was a fourth outfielder before the draft. I just think his tools project that way.

[Outshined_One]

With the way his numbers project, he's beginning to strike me as a potential Jock Jones type at his ceiling.

 

Except with better numbers against LHP.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

He had mentioned a few times that he was tired in August after playing with Clemson most of the spring and into the CWS. Hopefully that's the main reason for his struggles in August.

 

Outside of Game 3, he performed rather well in the playoff series.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Forgive me if I'm not too optimistic about Colvin. I'm not sure he even belongs among the Cubs top 20-25 prospects this year.

[Outshined_One]

Forgive me if I'm not too optimistic about Colvin. I'm not sure he even belongs among the Cubs top 20-25 prospects this year.

 

He's still in my Top 10. Part of that is due to the quality of prospects already in the system and part of that is due to Colvin's performance. The power definitely came as a surprise to many, imo.

[Jehrico]

Forgive me if I'm not too optimistic about Colvin. I'm not sure he even belongs among the Cubs top 20-25 prospects this year.

 

He's still in my Top 10. Part of that is due to the quality of prospects already in the system and part of that is due to Colvin's performance. The power definitely came as a surprise to many, imo.

 

I was never impressed with him as a first round signing, but, I'm not going to jump to too many conclusions. These were his first two rounds with wooden bats, afterall. Next year there won't be any adjustment factor, so we'll see how he does.

[questionmarkgrace]

The more I look at his stats in comparison to his league the more I think he does deserve to be one of our top prospects. In the NW League he is tied for third in home runs, tied for second in rbi's, in the top ten for slugging, in the top ten for ops, in the top ten for hits, third in runs scored, and from all of the accounts I've read he plays some really good defense. All the while he played a full college season and wasn't exactly fresh going in to the North West league. Sure you would like to see him walk more and strike out less but I actually think he's been quite a surprise for someone who BA projected as low as 170th best prospect in the draft. I'm looking forward to what he can do in a full season. I also want to see more of Canzler because he has shown some impressive power.

[ChiCubsFan]

The more I look at his stats in comparison to his league the more I think he does deserve to be one of our top prospects. In the NW League he is tied for third in home runs, tied for second in rbi's, in the top ten for slugging, in the top ten for ops, in the top ten for hits, third in runs scored, and from all of the accounts I've read he plays some really good defense. All the while he played a full college season and wasn't exactly fresh going in to the North West league. Sure you would like to see him walk more and strike out less but I actually think he's been quite a surprise for someone who BA projected as low as 170th best prospect in the draft. I'm looking forward to what he can do in a full season. I also want to see more of Canzler because he has shown some impressive power.

 

yeah...a surprise. he's played pretty well, but was there really any reason to reach like that at 13th overall? Snider would have been a much better pick, imo. hopefully i'm wrong about this one, though.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Forgive me if I'm not too optimistic about Colvin. I'm not sure he even belongs among the Cubs top 20-25 prospects this year.

 

Not belonging in the Cubs' top 20-25 prospects seems way off base when you consider that 1) Colvin was rated, at worst, a third round pick* and 2) the Cubs farm system is not that strong.

 

*Ignoring the statements that said the Cubs weren't the only team to elevate him to or close to the first round on draft boards.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's a 21 year old OF at Boise who put up a sub .315 OBP(with a sub .050 IsoD), and a sub .800 OPS(with a sub .200 IsoP). If he wasn't a high profile pick, there'd be very little to be excited about. That said, he was a highly thought of prospect(probably not as high as we picked, but still up the list), so there's hope for improvement. However, this year has to be looked at as a disappointment. Subpar performance from a college draftee who was old for the level. Edited September 12, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger

[CaliforniaRaisin]

He's a 21 year old OF at High A who put up a sub .315 OBP(with a sub .050 IsoD), and a sub .800 OPS(with a sub .200 IsoP). If he wasn't a high profile pick, there'd be very little to be excited about. That said, he was a highly thought of prospect(probably not as high as we picked, but still up the list), so there's hope for improvement. However, this year has to be looked at as a disappointment. Subpar performance from a college draftee who was old for the level.

 

Sadly, he didn't put up that performance at high-A.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's a 21 year old OF at Boise who put up a sub .315 OBP(with a sub .050 IsoD), and a sub .800 OPS(with a sub .200 IsoP). If he wasn't a high profile pick, there'd be very little to be excited about. That said, he was a highly thought of prospect(probably not as high as we picked, but still up the list), so there's hope for improvement. However, this year has to be looked at as a disappointment. Subpar performance from a college draftee who was old for the level.

 

Sadly, he didn't put up that performance at high-A.

 

Ack, yeah, I mentally crammed "high level short season" and "short season A ball" together.

[Guest]

I was under the impression the NWL had a lot of college players . . . not so?

[Outshined_One]

I was under the impression the NWL had a lot of college players . . . not so?

 

Tends to be the case unless the prospect was highly thought of. The vast majority of college draftees at the least start out in Rookie ball or Short Season A. Over the course of a season, some teams keep them there, other times they get promoted up the ladder.

 

Depends on their success and what the team values in development. The Cubs tend to be more conservative with position players, but that could also be a result of the lack of really top notch hitters in the system.

 

Criticizing Colvin because had a sub-.800 OPS is a bit deceptive, TT. If you said you were concerned with a guy who posted a .796 OPS in Short Season A, I'd understand and would have no quarrel. But the fact is, he was four points away from breaking the .800 mark. Would an .800 OPS on the mark have made that much of a difference in your assessment of him?

[mg420]

it is possible that his down then up then down cycle was due to it being the 1st year using a wooden bat. he needed to get adjusted to wood after using an aluminium bat, got used to using one, then got tired at the end of the year. give the guy some time to adjust before judging him. heck, howard is 27 in his 1st full season in the majors. not every player can come up at age 20 like andrew jones.

[TruffleShuffle]

I was under the impression the NWL had a lot of college players . . . not so?

 

Tends to be the case unless the prospect was highly thought of. The vast majority of college draftees at the least start out in Rookie ball or Short Season A. Over the course of a season, some teams keep them there, other times they get promoted up the ladder.

 

Depends on their success and what the team values in development. The Cubs tend to be more conservative with position players, but that could also be a result of the lack of really top notch hitters in the system.

 

Criticizing Colvin because had a sub-.800 OPS is a bit deceptive, TT. If you said you were concerned with a guy who posted a .796 OPS in Short Season A, I'd understand and would have no quarrel. But the fact is, he was four points away from breaking the .800 mark. Would an .800 OPS on the mark have made that much of a difference in your assessment of him?

 

I'm guessing the biggest problem that he has with the guy is the .313 OBP - pretty lousy for a guy who started 2.5 years at a major conference D-I program. Eric Patterson was an eighth round pick out of a major conference D-I program and put up a .400 OBP and 917 OPS playing at a higher minor league level.

[Outshined_One]

it is possible that his down then up then down cycle was due to it being the 1st year using a wooden bat. he needed to get adjusted to wood after using an aluminium bat, got used to using one, then got tired at the end of the year.

 

I don't think it's that, though. He put up pretty darn good power numbers and his LD% is fairly reasonable. What most people have been criticizing him for is his lack of patience, which tends to be something that works across aluminum and wood bats.

[Jehrico]

it is possible that his down then up then down cycle was due to it being the 1st year using a wooden bat. he needed to get adjusted to wood after using an aluminium bat, got used to using one, then got tired at the end of the year.

 

I don't think it's that, though. He put up pretty darn good power numbers and his LD% is fairly reasonable. What most people have been criticizing him for is his lack of patience, which tends to be something that works across aluminum and wood bats.

 

I wonder what his coaches told him they wanted to see out of him. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they told him some crap like they wanted him swinging the bat alot, being more aggressive at the plate than normal in order to quickly adjust from aluminum to wood. Either way, I'm not impressed with his showing, but, like I said, I'm waiting until after next season to declare him a good or bad pick.

[goonys evil twin]

it is possible that his down then up then down cycle was due to it being the 1st year using a wooden bat. he needed to get adjusted to wood after using an aluminium bat, got used to using one, then got tired at the end of the year.

 

I don't think it's that, though. He put up pretty darn good power numbers and his LD% is fairly reasonable. What most people have been criticizing him for is his lack of patience, which tends to be something that works across aluminum and wood bats.

 

I wonder what his coaches told him they wanted to see out of him. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they told him some crap like they wanted him swinging the bat alot, being more aggressive at the plate than normal in order to quickly adjust from aluminum to wood. Either way, I'm not impressed with his showing, but, like I said, I'm waiting until after next season to declare him a good or bad pick.

 

I'd wait longer than next year before declaring him anything, but my early impression remains skeptical, and will until he improves significantly.

 

Oh, and you are probably dead on as far as what he's being instructed to do by the Cubs.