[Soriano12]

Rich Hill is really making me fall off the "Sign Barry Zito" bandwagon.

 

mainly because:

A. I think the pitching hungry Red Sox/Yankees will push his tag near 15mil

B. Arguably the #1 prospect now in the minors(Veal) is a lefty, and I don't know how a rotation of 3 lefty's would fair.

 

Here is how I would assemble the 07 staff

 

Zambrano

Vincente Padilla

Rich Hill

Mark Prior

Marshall

[Jehrico]

Rich Hill is really making me fall off the "Sign Barry Zito" bandwagon.

 

mainly because:

A. I think the pitching hungry Red Sox/Yankees will push his tag near 15mil

B. Arguably the #1 prospect now in the minors(Veal) is a lefty, and I don't know how a rotation of 3 lefty's would fair.

 

Here is how I would assemble the 07 staff

 

Zambrano

Vincente Padilla

Rich Hill

Mark Prior

Marshall

I can just see someone complaining about Hendry going out and signing a righty just for the sake of having a righty...

[third eye]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

[Soriano12]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

 

 

I just want Padilla for his bean balls :lol:

 

I doubt he is pegging guys should he return to the NL and have to bat.

[Guest]

I'm not convinced Padilla in 2007 will be any better than a winner of a Guzman / Marshall / Marmol / Mateo / Gallagher / Ryu competition

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not convinced Padilla in 2007 will be any better than a winner of a Guzman / Marshall / Marmol / Mateo / Gallagher / Ryu competition

 

That's the kicker with the "get a good, but not great starter" idea, it's likely to be a marginal improvement at best.

[third eye]

The thing is that Padilla offers is depth in the rotation. Between Prior/Padilla/Marshall, you should get 60 starts at a 3.8-4.2 ERA. That makes the back of the rotation reliable. The limiting factor with Padilla or an Eaton/Lilly type of pitcher is how much you have to pay for them. The consistency that having a 6 deep rotation would provide is worth the price in my opinion. If you could find a taker for Jones, sign Lee, Schmidt and Padilla, then you have a net increase of payroll of about 25mm (approx 12 Lee/12 Shmidt/7 Padilla less 6 Jones). With about 19mm comming off the payroll net of Wood's buyout, this seems reasonable.

[muntjack]

Whats with everyone throwing out Gallagher's name and not Veal's?

 

Frankly, if I knew we would make some serious changes to the offense, I could live with a Z/Hill/Marshall/Prior/Guzman rotation.

 

That would afford us Soriano at 2nd and the opportunity to trade Jones and prospects for a big (BIG) RF bat, or Izturis and prospects for a big SS bat.

 

My fantasy move would be Gallagher, Marshall and Scott Moore to the Yankees for ARod, with the Yanks eating some cash. Dump Izturis for a B prospect, Arod goes back to SS and....

 

Pierre

Soriano

Lee

ARam

ARod

Barrett

Murton

Jones

 

If the rotation is mediocre, we're right in the race. If the rotation clicks, we're the best team in the NL.

 

Of course, we're just going to get Geoff Jenkins, dump Murton for a bench bat and a low level prospect, and pick up Miguel Batista. So....

 

 

Pierre

Izturis

Lee

ARam

Jenkins

Jones

Barrett

Cedeno

 

with

 

Z/Batista/Hill/Marshall/Guzman

 

Aram gets hurt in April, and we lose 110 games.

 

The Arod deal is a little far-fetched, but I think with a couple of creative moves this team could be a favorite going into next season...I just don't have any faith in Jim anymore :-(

[A New Era]

So what are you guys suggesting, using the best of the best of the rookies and spend the rest of that money on soriano and andrew jones? :wink:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Whats with everyone throwing out Gallagher's name and not Veal's?

 

Because Gallagher is a level ahead of Veal and more advanced. I expect both will see time next season in the big leagues, but Gallagher will be more ready to win a job in the spring a la Marshall.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

[C.C.]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

 

No doubt!

[Rob]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

 

I'd certainly do that trade too.

 

As a matter of fact, I think you can only find one group of people that wouldn't do that trade.

 

The Marlins.

[C.C.]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

 

I'd certainly do that trade too.

 

As a matter of fact, I think you can only find one group of people that wouldn't do that trade.

 

The Marlins.

 

You would have to throw in Pie to get that deal done.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

For the record, I've mentioned Padilla before as a possible acquisition.

 

Hill has done enough to earn one spot in the rotation.

[Rob]

For the record, I've mentioned Padilla before as a possible acquisition.

 

Hill has done enough to earn one spot in the rotation.

 

Agreed.

 

And I'd like to just hand one to Angel Guzman. Tell him before the season he's got it, and he can't lose it no matter how badly he pitches... he'll be running out there every five days.

 

I bet he could surprise a few people under those circumstances.

[C.C.]

For the record, I've mentioned Padilla before as a possible acquisition.

 

Hill has done enough to earn one spot in the rotation.

 

Agreed.

 

And I'd like to just hand one to Angel Guzman. Tell him before the season he's got it, and he can't lose it no matter how badly he pitches... he'll be running out there every five days.

 

I bet he could surprise a few people under those circumstances.

 

I honestly don't think Guzman can stay healthy enough for the rotation right now. I would use him in long relief next year or spot starter.

[C.C.]

Rich Hill is really making me fall off the "Sign Barry Zito" bandwagon.

 

mainly because:

A. I think the pitching hungry Red Sox/Yankees will push his tag near 15mil

B. Arguably the #1 prospect now in the minors(Veal) is a lefty, and I don't know how a rotation of 3 lefty's would fair.

 

Here is how I would assemble the 07 staff

 

Zambrano

Vincente Padilla

Rich Hill

Mark Prior

Marshall

 

I wouldn't count on Mark Prior to be in the rotation next year.

[Soriano12]

Rich Hill is really making me fall off the "Sign Barry Zito" bandwagon.

 

mainly because:

A. I think the pitching hungry Red Sox/Yankees will push his tag near 15mil

B. Arguably the #1 prospect now in the minors(Veal) is a lefty, and I don't know how a rotation of 3 lefty's would fair.

 

Here is how I would assemble the 07 staff

 

Zambrano

Vincente Padilla

Rich Hill

Mark Prior

Marshall

 

I wouldn't count on Mark Prior to be in the rotation next year.

 

Oh...but Jim will. Not only will he be counted on in the rotation, but he will be Jimmy's #2 guy behind big Z.

 

I wouldn't mind counting on him as a #4 or #5, perferably a #5.

[TruffleShuffle]

Rich Hill is really making me fall off the "Sign Barry Zito" bandwagon.

 

mainly because:

A. I think the pitching hungry Red Sox/Yankees will push his tag near 15mil

B. Arguably the #1 prospect now in the minors(Veal) is a lefty, and I don't know how a rotation of 3 lefty's would fair.

 

Here is how I would assemble the 07 staff

 

Zambrano

Vincente Padilla

Rich Hill

Mark Prior

Marshall

 

I wouldn't count on Mark Prior to be in the rotation next year.

 

That's fine - the Cubs have plenty of arms who can be serviceable replacements as a #5 starter.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

 

I'd certainly do that trade too.

 

As a matter of fact, I think you can only find one group of people that wouldn't do that trade.

 

The Marlins.

 

You would have to throw in Pie to get that deal done.

 

Definitely.

 

And I would, too.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'd trade him as part of a package for Miguel Cabrera.

 

Maybe Hill, Moore, and Aardsma?

 

I am loving Hill, but if he can be the cheap centerpiece to net us a proven player like that, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It really wouldn't hurt to shop around to teams like the Reds/Yanks/Mets/Marlins/Red Sox/etc..

 

I'd certainly do that trade too.

 

As a matter of fact, I think you can only find one group of people that wouldn't do that trade.

 

The Marlins.

 

You would have to throw in Pie to get that deal done.

 

Definitely.

 

And I would, too.

 

if i was going to throw in pie, i'd subtract hill and add marshall to the deal.

[Soriano12]

It seems any deal with the Marlins is a risk now.

 

They are winning every stinking trade of late.

 

It's simply amazing.

[YearofDaCubs]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

[C.C.]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

Even if you have to tack on a 3rd year for Schimdt I'd do it.