Soriano soon to be traded?...

[Cubzfan64]

Heard this morning that Soriano was placed on waivers - wonder where he ends up?

[Banedon]

He might have been placed on them, but that doesn't mean that he'll make it through them in order to be traded. If a team selects him off waivers, then they'd be the only team he could be traded to this season.

[Backtobanks]

He might have been placed on them, but that doesn't mean that he'll make it through them in order to be traded. If a team selects him off waivers, then they'd be the only team he could be traded to this season.

 

If he is traded, it would have to be soon since a player has to be on your roster before 9/1 to be on your playoff roster. A Soriano trade would really be a short-term rental.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

[goonys evil twin]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

[goonys evil twin]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

 

You don't have to give up talent to make the claim. The claim costs a nominal amount of money. It's no risk.

[Backtobanks]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

 

You don't have to give up talent to make the claim. The claim costs a nominal amount of money. It's no risk.

 

As soon as someone claims him, the Nationals will withdraw him and try to arrange a trade (which is where you would have to give up something.).

[NewUserName]

I think this is a good move for Washington. There maybe some teams that are starting to get a little desperate. Red Sox, Twins, Cardinals and several other NL wild card contenders. They maybe able to get one to claim him and get a good young prospect yet or noone claims him and they can shop him around still. Even a team like Florida. Loaded system. Only have to pay for a month and a half. Why not?

[goonys evil twin]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

 

You don't have to give up talent to make the claim. The claim costs a nominal amount of money. It's no risk.

 

As soon as someone claims him, the Nationals will withdraw him and try to arrange a trade (which is where you would have to give up something.).

 

Again, you don't have to trade for him if you claim him. There is no risk to putting in the claim.

[soccer10k]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

 

You don't have to give up talent to make the claim. The claim costs a nominal amount of money. It's no risk.

 

As soon as someone claims him, the Nationals will withdraw him and try to arrange a trade (which is where you would have to give up something.).

 

Again, you don't have to trade for him if you claim him. There is no risk to putting in the claim.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Nationals really didn't want him, couldn't they just tell the team that claims him "hey, you can have him" and then the team that claims him would have to pick up his contract? I remember Manny Ramirez being placed on, and clearing waivers a couple years ago because nobody wanted to risk having to pick up his contract.

[goonys evil twin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Nationals really didn't want him, couldn't they just tell the team that claims him "hey, you can have him" and then the team that claims him would have to pick up his contract? I remember Manny Ramirez being placed on, and clearing waivers a couple years ago because nobody wanted to risk having to pick up his contract.

 

Yes, as unrealistic as that is, that was my original statement. The only so-called risk would be that you'd be "stuck" with him and his contract, which, at $2.5m and falling, is not really that much. If teams were going to trade for him at the deadline, they were going to be taking on more money than that. Boston is hardly the only team that would risk making the claim.

[StMarksCubs]

Heard this morning that Soriano was placed on waivers - wonder where he ends up?

 

Source? Link?

[CuseCubFan69]

Since the Cubs are so close to the wildcard they can trade Rusch, Perez and Bynum to Washington for Soriano!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

My guess is a lot of teams won't take the gamble with making the claim except perhaps the Red Sox.

 

What exactly would be the gamble? The worst thing that happens is you get Soriano for nothing but what is left on his contract the rest of the season.

 

Giving up talent for a month rental.

 

You don't have to give up talent to make the claim. The claim costs a nominal amount of money. It's no risk.

 

As soon as someone claims him, the Nationals will withdraw him and try to arrange a trade (which is where you would have to give up something.).

 

Again, you don't have to trade for him if you claim him. There is no risk to putting in the claim.

 

The Nationals are not putting Soriano on waivers for the purpose of granting his release. He will either be traded or the Nats will pull him back.

[Backtobanks]

Since the Cubs are so close to the wildcard they can trade Rusch, Perez and Bynum to Washington for Soriano!

 

 

This is called addition by subtraction. Since the Cubs aren't going anywhere anyhow, tell the Nationals they can even keep Soriano.

[goonys evil twin]

The Nationals are not putting Soriano on waivers for the purpose of granting his release. He will either be traded or the Nats will pull him back.

 

Which again, just proves the point that there is no risk in putting in the claim.

 

The claim is riskless.

 

Risk does not exist for making the claim.

 

No team would be at risk for putting in a claim on Soriano.

 

Any claim put in on Soriano would come without risk.

[CuseCubFan69]

Since the Cubs are so close to the wildcard they can trade Rusch, Perez and Bynum to Washington for Soriano!

 

 

This is called addition by subtraction. Since the Cubs aren't going anywhere anyhow, tell the Nationals they can even keep Soriano.

 

Gutsiest move I ever saw.

[series65cubsfan]

 

Gutsiest move I ever saw.

 

You tell him Hollywood. :wink:

[David]

The Nationals are not putting Soriano on waivers for the purpose of granting his release. He will either be traded or the Nats will pull him back.

 

Which again, just proves the point that there is no risk in putting in the claim.

 

The claim is riskless.

 

Risk does not exist for making the claim.

 

No team would be at risk for putting in a claim on Soriano.

 

Any claim put in on Soriano would come without risk.

 

QFT... I'm not sure what about goony's point hasn't gotten across here the 500x he's explained it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Nationals are not putting Soriano on waivers for the purpose of granting his release. He will either be traded or the Nats will pull him back.

 

Which again, just proves the point that there is no risk in putting in the claim.

 

The claim is riskless.

 

Risk does not exist for making the claim.

 

No team would be at risk for putting in a claim on Soriano.

 

Any claim put in on Soriano would come without risk.

 

QFT... I'm not sure what about goony's point hasn't gotten across here the 500x he's explained it.

 

Any team claiming him runs the risk of giving up prospects just to have him until the end of the season with no assurances that they will either make the postseason or be able to re-sign him. The claim is not riskless no matter how many times you say it.

[CubColtPacer]

The Nationals are not putting Soriano on waivers for the purpose of granting his release. He will either be traded or the Nats will pull him back.

 

Which again, just proves the point that there is no risk in putting in the claim.

 

The claim is riskless.

 

Risk does not exist for making the claim.

 

No team would be at risk for putting in a claim on Soriano.

 

Any claim put in on Soriano would come without risk.

 

QFT... I'm not sure what about goony's point hasn't gotten across here the 500x he's explained it.

 

Any team claiming him runs the risk of giving up prospects just to have him until the end of the season with no assurances that they will either make the postseason or be able to re-sign him. The claim is not riskless no matter how many times you say it.

 

That's the difference though. Claiming him has no risk to it. Trading for him though is risky-you don't have to trade for Soriano when you make the claim though. Claiming him is really no more risky then calling another GM on the telephone before the deadline-all it does is give you an opportunity to make a trade. It puts no obligation on you to actually make the trade.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The claim has no risk only if the Nats withdraw the waiver request. If a claim is placed and the Nats do not withdraw the request, his contract is assigned to the team that placed the claim, and that team would then send players to the Nats for a guy that could possibly help them finish just short and bolt a month and a half later.

[CubColtPacer]

The claim has no risk only if the Nats withdraw the waiver request. If a claim is placed and the Nats do not withdraw the request, his contract is assigned to the team that placed the claim, and that team would then send players to the Nats for a guy that could possibly help them finish just short and bolt a month and a half later.

 

I think I understand the first part now, but not the second. If someone claims Soriano-and the Nats want more in a trade offer then the claiming team is willing to give, the Nats are left with 2 choices: pull him back, or let him go. If they let him go, then that team wouldn't have to send any players for Soriano. All they have to do is pay for Soriano, and I'm sure any team in the race would easily pay 2.5 million for Soriano for a month if that's all they had to give up. If the Nats pull him back, then the claiming team doesn't lose anything either. The only way the claiming team would trade players is if they agreed to a trade with the Nats during that negotiation period, and of course then the risk would be in the trade, not the claim.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The claim has no risk only if the Nats withdraw the waiver request. If a claim is placed and the Nats do not withdraw the request, his contract is assigned to the team that placed the claim, and that team would then send players to the Nats for a guy that could possibly help them finish just short and bolt a month and a half later.

 

I think I understand the first part now, but not the second. If someone claims Soriano-and the Nats want more in a trade offer then the claiming team is willing to give, the Nats are left with 2 choices: pull him back, or let him go. If they let him go, then that team wouldn't have to send any players for Soriano. All they have to do is pay for Soriano, and I'm sure any team in the race would easily pay 2.5 million for Soriano for a month if that's all they had to give up. If the Nats pull him back, then the claiming team doesn't lose anything either. The only way the claiming team would trade players is if they agreed to a trade with the Nats during that negotiation period, and of course then the risk would be in the trade, not the claim.

 

The difference here is that the Nats are not letting Soriano go for just a waiver fee and the rest of his salary. They are either going to trade him or pull him back.