Soriano soon to be traded?...

[soccer10k]

The claim has no risk only if the Nats withdraw the waiver request. If a claim is placed and the Nats do not withdraw the request, his contract is assigned to the team that placed the claim, and that team would then send players to the Nats for a guy that could possibly help them finish just short and bolt a month and a half later.

 

I think I understand the first part now, but not the second. If someone claims Soriano-and the Nats want more in a trade offer then the claiming team is willing to give, the Nats are left with 2 choices: pull him back, or let him go. If they let him go, then that team wouldn't have to send any players for Soriano. All they have to do is pay for Soriano, and I'm sure any team in the race would easily pay 2.5 million for Soriano for a month if that's all they had to give up. If the Nats pull him back, then the claiming team doesn't lose anything either. The only way the claiming team would trade players is if they agreed to a trade with the Nats during that negotiation period, and of course then the risk would be in the trade, not the claim.

 

The difference here is that the Nats are not letting Soriano go for just a waiver fee and the rest of his salary. They are either going to trade him or pull him back.

 

So in this case, there is no risk for any team that claims him. If the Nationals aren't just going to let him go for his salary and a waiver fee, that means some other team has to trade for him. If they don't want to trade for him, they obviously aren't going to get him. Hence, no risk in this situation.

 

Even if the Nationals would consider letting him go for the rest of his contract and a waiver fee, a team is still not at risk of losing any of it's players. You know that when you make a waiver claim that you are likely going to have to assume that player's salary. But whether or not a team loses a player or two in the deal is up to that team.

[dvdd127]

If the Cubs think they really have a chance to still make the playoffs..... even though I know they dont......... they should claim him

[davearm]

The claim has no risk only if the Nats withdraw the waiver request. If a claim is placed and the Nats do not withdraw the request, his contract is assigned to the team that placed the claim, and that team would then send players to the Nats for a guy that could possibly help them finish just short and bolt a month and a half later.

The bolded part above is 100% incorrect, as others are trying to help you understand.

 

The only risk in putting in the claim is getting stuck with the player and his contract. That's it. Some are saying that is essentially not a risk at all, since the Nats would never let this happen.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So there's no risk of losing players if you claim Soriano. Got it.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

[Sammy Sofa]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

Jones isn't going anywhere, so scratch that idea.

 

I'd love to see Lee and Soriano hitting for the team, but I think it would work best, given who is running this team, with Lee in LF and Soriano playing 2nd again.

[stitchface]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

why would we care if the astros got him for the rest of the year? hell, with some luck they would then sign him to a huge extension.

[stitchface]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

Jones isn't going anywhere, so scratch that idea.

 

I'd love to see Lee and Soriano hitting for the team, but I think it would work best, given who is running this team, with Lee in LF and Soriano playing 2nd again.

 

wow, if you thought walker was a poor defensive 2b . . .

[Sammy Sofa]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

Jones isn't going anywhere, so scratch that idea.

 

I'd love to see Lee and Soriano hitting for the team, but I think it would work best, given who is running this team, with Lee in LF and Soriano playing 2nd again.

 

wow, if you thought walker was a poor defensive 2b . . .

 

The way I see it, that's the only way keeping Izturis makes any sense. His defense combined with Aramis and D-Lee make up for Soriano's defensive shortcomings, and Soriano's bat makes up for Cesar's.

[stitchface]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

Jones isn't going anywhere, so scratch that idea.

 

I'd love to see Lee and Soriano hitting for the team, but I think it would work best, given who is running this team, with Lee in LF and Soriano playing 2nd again.

 

wow, if you thought walker was a poor defensive 2b . . .

 

The way I see it, that's the only way keeping Izturis makes any sense. His defense combined with Aramis and D-Lee make up for Soriano's defensive shortcomings, and Soriano's bat makes up for Cesar's.

 

there are worse options, that's for sure. Soriano is a bad fit for a team sorely lacking obp though. I'd like him a lot more as a #6 hitter on a team loaded with guys that get on base. He would definitely have to play 2b to be worth what he will make. Seems like Soriano would be a good pickup if he wasn't going to be so overpaid. I'd go for Loretta.

[CubColtPacer]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

 

Jones isn't going anywhere, so scratch that idea.

 

I'd love to see Lee and Soriano hitting for the team, but I think it would work best, given who is running this team, with Lee in LF and Soriano playing 2nd again.

 

wow, if you thought walker was a poor defensive 2b . . .

 

The way I see it, that's the only way keeping Izturis makes any sense. His defense combined with Aramis and D-Lee make up for Soriano's defensive shortcomings, and Soriano's bat makes up for Cesar's.

 

there are worse options, that's for sure. Soriano is a bad fit for a team sorely lacking obp though. I'd like him a lot more as a #6 hitter on a team loaded with guys that get on base. He would definitely have to play 2b to be worth what he will make. Seems like Soriano would be a good pickup if he wasn't going to be so overpaid. I'd go for Loretta.

 

Yes-I think you can go either way with this. Soriano at 2nd, Murton in LF, and a platoon partner for Jacque in right-or Lee in left, someone like Loretta at 2nd, and Murton platoons with Jacque in right. I am assuming they resign Pierre (no point in speculating otherwise the way they are talking)-so that leaves a lineup of either

 

Pierre

Murton

Lee

Ramirez

Jones/PP

Soriano

Barrett

Izturis

or

 

Pierre

Loretta

Lee

Ramirez

Lee

Jones/Murton

Barrett

Izturis

 

I think either of those lineups would be a very good lineup, one that in fact is probably the best lineup in the division.

[davearm]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

Disagree completely.

 

If the Astros give up some guys with future value for a 6 week rental, then that benefits the Cubs long-term, and we shouldn't care less about the impact it has this year.

[Backtobanks]

Heard on Baseball Tonight the other day that the Astros are trying hard to obtain him (Tim Kurkjan thinks it's a possibility), in that case some team needs to block that deal--like the cubs for instance. Carlos Lee and Soriano would sure look good on the corners next year!

Disagree completely.

 

If the Astros give up some guys with future value for a 6 week rental, then that benefits the Cubs long-term, and we shouldn't care less about the impact it has this year.

 

If the Astros sign him, they had better hurry because Clemens can't pitch forever (contrary to what he has shown).

[biittner77]

there are worse options, that's for sure. Soriano is a bad fit for a team sorely lacking obp though. I'd like him a lot more as a #6 hitter on a team loaded with guys that get on base. He would definitely have to play 2b to be worth what he will make. Seems like Soriano would be a good pickup if he wasn't going to be so overpaid. I'd go for Loretta.

 

If the Cubs were going to bat Murton 2nd that would make signing Soriano look a lot better

 

Pierre (ugh... but Hendry will do it)

Murton

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

Soriano

Jones

Cedeno/ Izturis

 

Thus with the current lineup the Cubs are able to put some decent OBP guys ahead of Soriano with the exception of Slappy