Interest in Edmonds?

[RynoRules]

I know some of you will view this as sac-relig, but Edmonds commented in the papers today that he does not expect to be a Cardnial next year, feeling that the team will buy him out for 3 mill rather than pay him 10 mill.

 

Would you sign him to play CF for, say, two years and 10 mill? He's still fairly productive, certainly more valuable than Pierre:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2993

[PrimeTime]

It looks though as we will resign Pierre, But if we didnt, I don't think I would, Hes getting alot older and he cant hit left handed pitching, and I just plain out hate the guy like most other people on this board

[goonys evil twin]

He's a broken down old man on a steady decline. He shows all the signs of somebody who could be out of the game in a couple years. In general, I don't want a guy for his last two years in the bigs. If Edmonds maintains the decline path he's on, losing .030 OBP points and ~.075 SLG points per year, he'll be no better than Pierre next season.

[Wheelimus]

If we didn't bring back Pierre, I'd sign him in a heartbeat, however to a one year contract if possible.

[RynoRules]

He's a broken down old man on a steady decline. He shows all the signs of somebody who could be out of the game in a couple years. In general, I don't want a guy for his last two years in the bigs. If Edmonds maintains the decline path he's on, losing .030 OBP points and ~.075 SLG points per year, he'll be no better than Pierre next season.

 

You really believe that? His slugging alone makes him worth more than Pierre, and he isn't going to forget how to take a walk.

[A New Era]

I feel a huge decline in production, if he has to shower in wrigley's cold showers before every home game.

[goonys evil twin]

He's a broken down old man on a steady decline. He shows all the signs of somebody who could be out of the game in a couple years. In general, I don't want a guy for his last two years in the bigs. If Edmonds maintains the decline path he's on, losing .030 OBP points and ~.075 SLG points per year, he'll be no better than Pierre next season.

 

You really believe that? His slugging alone makes him worth more than Pierre, and he isn't going to forget how to take a walk.

 

Did you not notice the first part? If he continues on this decline, his numbers will look like Pierre's. I don't know if they will continue on that path. My guess is it won't be that drastic. But it's been that drastic for 2 years, and he's an old man with a thousand past injuries.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

The injury history and the incresing frequency of them worry me. If he was signed to a one year incentive deal I could live with it, but wouldnt be happy about it.

 

At this point I would prefer to wait on the non-tender list and see who is there before bringing Edmonds back up again.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Edmonds have made his feeling perfectly clear, and I want the Cubs to stay away from this pri-madonna at ALL cost. I rather stick Todd Hundley in CF, then to sign Jim Edmonds.

[Laura]

Some Cardinals fans partly attribute his poor performance this year to shoulder problems. Take it for what it's worth.

 

St. Louis Post-Dispatch[/url]"] Edmonds confirmed Tuesday that he would undergo right shoulder surgery shortly after the season ends to repair a partially torn rotator cuff, to remove bone spurs and to address an irregular joint. The eight-time Gold Glove Award winner underwent a similar procedure on his left shoulder after the 2003 season and says he has experienced no ill effects since.

 

"I've talked to a doctor about it already and have been assured there will be no further problems with it" after surgery, Edmonds said. "He thinks it will go as well as the other one did. I'm pretty excited about it, actually."

[Balsa]

I'm not sure he'd want to play for us. We ragged him pretty badly during the Cardinals series. :lol:

[FergieJ31]

I'm not sure he'd want to play for us. We ragged him pretty badly during the Cardinals series. :lol:

 

But he did identify Chicago as one of his favorite cities to "chase tail" (of course, he didn't specify the gender of such tail).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's been some speculation about it, but I have a hard time believing the Cardinals don't pick up his option.

[mul21]

The fact that he has a $3 million buyout and the contract for next year is $10 million total makes me think the Cards will pick up the option because they're not going to get anything better than what Edmonds will provide in Cf next year for $7 million. He may end up overpaid, but as budget concious as they seem lately, I don't think they're willing to make a high dollar, long term commitment to anyone else right now.

[RynoRules]

He's a broken down old man on a steady decline. He shows all the signs of somebody who could be out of the game in a couple years. In general, I don't want a guy for his last two years in the bigs. If Edmonds maintains the decline path he's on, losing .030 OBP points and ~.075 SLG points per year, he'll be no better than Pierre next season.

 

You really believe that? His slugging alone makes him worth more than Pierre, and he isn't going to forget how to take a walk.

 

Did you not notice the first part? If he continues on this decline, his numbers will look like Pierre's. I don't know if they will continue on that path. My guess is it won't be that drastic. But it's been that drastic for 2 years, and he's an old man with a thousand past injuries.

 

I read your post to imply that you believe he will continue to decline at that rate. I don't think he will, but based on Serena's post perhaps I am wrong.

[d_money]

No. Don't pick him up. Hope that the cards re-sign him and then let him break down on their dime. He's about due for another injury. The lack of sauce may catching up w/ him.

[moorecg]

The fact that he has a $3 million buyout and the contract for next year is $10 million total makes me think the Cards will pick up the option because they're not going to get anything better than what Edmonds will provide in Cf next year for $7 million. He may end up overpaid, but as budget concious as they seem lately, I don't think they're willing to make a high dollar, long term commitment to anyone else right now.

 

this was my thought as well...10 Mill is too much for him, but I'm not sure they'll find a better guy for 7 mill, and considering they've also got to fill another OF spot and also considering the lack of solid talent for the OF in the free agent market, it seems like he could get picked up despite not being worth the 10....I don't see him signing for less than 7 somewhere else.

[jyoung55]

Just what the Cubs need... another free swinger who strikes out a bunch and is getting old. Man can you imagine some of the Cubs teams from recent memory if they had more hitters like that. :roll: :roll:

 

Never mention this again and I will forget it happened.

Edited August 10, 2006 by jyoung55

[CubsBullsBears]

NO!!! He sucks. You want to know why he follows Pujols in the lineup??

It's b/c crap always follows a poo-hole!!

[goonys evil twin]

He's a broken down old man on a steady decline. He shows all the signs of somebody who could be out of the game in a couple years. In general, I don't want a guy for his last two years in the bigs. If Edmonds maintains the decline path he's on, losing .030 OBP points and ~.075 SLG points per year, he'll be no better than Pierre next season.

 

You really believe that? His slugging alone makes him worth more than Pierre, and he isn't going to forget how to take a walk.

 

Did you not notice the first part? If he continues on this decline, his numbers will look like Pierre's. I don't know if they will continue on that path. My guess is it won't be that drastic. But it's been that drastic for 2 years, and he's an old man with a thousand past injuries.

 

I read your post to imply that you believe he will continue to decline at that rate. I don't think he will, but based on Serena's post perhaps I am wrong.

 

I don't believe he will decline at that rate, but it's entirely possible. And I do believe he will continue to decline.

[jjgman21]

the way I see it, the list of centerfielders for the most part are either terrible ie (Pierre, Taverez, Rowand), one year wonders (ie Byrnes, Matthews, Roberts), unobtainable (ie. Beltran, Sizemore), or not worth what it would take in a trade (Jones, Griffey).

 

so you are left with few choices. one is to swing a deal for an undervalued player like Clark. he'd be fine in my eyes and an option. there is Freel, but with the trades made by the Reds, I don't see him going anywhere. I have suggested DeJesus. if there is any player I would make a strong push for in a trade it is DeJesus. there is also the possibility of a creative option like putting Jacque out there. probably not a bad idea.

 

all in all, the options are relatively few. I see no reason to pee on the idea of bringing Edmonds in when there are not a whole lot of better options out there. yes he's old and on the decline, but he still a top 10 CF'er in OBP and top 8 in slg/ops. if you view him as a complimentary player and not one at the core of the offense, he's a fine option.

[goonys evil twin]

the way I see it, the list of centerfielders for the most part are either terrible ie (Pierre, Taverez, Rowand), one year wonders (ie Byrnes, Matthews, Roberts), unobtainable (ie. Beltran, Sizemore), or not worth what it would take in a trade (Jones, Griffey).

 

so you are left with few choices. one is to swing a deal for an undervalued player like Clark. he'd be fine in my eyes and an option. there is Freel, but with the trades made by the Reds, I don't see him going anywhere. I have suggested DeJesus. if there is any player I would make a strong push for in a trade it is DeJesus. there is also the possibility of a creative option like putting Jacque out there. probably not a bad idea.

 

all in all, the options are relatively few. I see no reason to pee on the idea of bringing Edmonds in when there are not a whole lot of better options out there. yes he's old and on the decline, but he still a top 10 CF'er in OBP and top 8 in slg/ops. if you view him as a complimentary player and not one at the core of the offense, he's a fine option.

 

I'm not opposed to a 1 year deal, I'm very skeptical of anything beyong that. I guess I feel about him similar (but differently) to how I feel about Soriano or Lee. They aren't my first choices, but they are better than what's here, so I'm not going to cry if they are brought in.

 

 

I still say move Jones to center (unless you can trade him).

[jjgman21]

the way I see it, the list of centerfielders for the most part are either terrible ie (Pierre, Taverez, Rowand), one year wonders (ie Byrnes, Matthews, Roberts), unobtainable (ie. Beltran, Sizemore), or not worth what it would take in a trade (Jones, Griffey).

 

so you are left with few choices. one is to swing a deal for an undervalued player like Clark. he'd be fine in my eyes and an option. there is Freel, but with the trades made by the Reds, I don't see him going anywhere. I have suggested DeJesus. if there is any player I would make a strong push for in a trade it is DeJesus. there is also the possibility of a creative option like putting Jacque out there. probably not a bad idea.

 

all in all, the options are relatively few. I see no reason to pee on the idea of bringing Edmonds in when there are not a whole lot of better options out there. yes he's old and on the decline, but he still a top 10 CF'er in OBP and top 8 in slg/ops. if you view him as a complimentary player and not one at the core of the offense, he's a fine option.

 

I'm not opposed to a 1 year deal, I'm very skeptical of anything beyong that. I guess I feel about him similar (but differently) to how I feel about Soriano or Lee. They aren't my first choices, but they are better than what's here, so I'm not going to cry if they are brought in.

 

 

I still say move Jones to center (unless you can trade him).

 

who are your first options?

 

I was thinking about Soriano as we watch the Brewers series. I have to believe Soriano's walk rate this year is some sort of a fluke, which makes me think that signing Bill Hall and sticking him in left would give you the same production you could expect out of Soriano and for about 8-10 M less per year, and for less years. they're virtually the same player minus the stolen bases.

 

not a top option for me either, but a much wiser use of payroll than signing Soriano.

[UMFan83]

If he signed with the Cubs, I would sit as close to where he plays in CF as I could and boo him recklessly. You think Jacque Jones got it bad?

 

Edit: For all those who plan to call me out for ripping on the home team note that I am half kidding

[wekse]

i probably wouldn't be a cubs fan next year if they signed him....ajp is the only other person in baseball that i hate more than edmonds.