When Does Pierre's performance start to win people over?

[Warpticon]

Chone Figgins. If the Angels make him available, then Hendry should go after him.

 

Do you think that 28 year old Chone Figgins would be happy about coming to Chicago with Pie in the wings at CF and Aram at 3b(assuming all the contract stuff is taken care of)?

 

The Cubs, should be at least thinking of dealing Pie for a impact bat, or starter. He is still only a "prospect".

 

Up until two months ago, Jared Weaver was only a "prospect." Last year, Francisco Liriano and Justin Verlander were only "prospects," as were Andre Ethier, Prince Fielder, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Adrian Gonzalez, Curtis Granderson, Conor Jackson, Mike Jacobs, former Cub Ricky Nolasco, etc. In fact, every player you're talking about possibly trading for was, at some point in time, just a "prospect." I'm not seeing your point. Yes, you could hypothetically trade Pie for an impact bat, but you'd have to trade more, certainly have to pay more, and would be making the team older in the process. Pie could *be* that impact bat if given the chance. I'm not saying not to trade Pie under any circumstances--if the right deal comes along and the team is close enough that the deal could put them over the top, then, absolutely, do it. I don't suspect they're that close right now. I just disagree with the "just a prospect" mentality.The Cubs need more and better prospects with the potential to be productive, cheap players for years so that they can afford to be bigger players in the free agent/trade market when they need to.

 

Geech, the well isn't *that* dry. Pie is a top 50 prospect, and was easily top 30-35 (seen him as high as top 18) before he struggled in midseason and convinced people he wasn't quite ready yet. (yet, as we speak, he's currently on a tear in AAA and could change those minds right back around.)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Serena lies! Sunglasses man strikes again!

[Laura]

WHAT? WHERE?!?

[David]

Chone Figgins? He's almost as bad as Pierre. No, thank you. Plus, he'll cost too much because of that highly overrated tool that Hendry suddenly loves so much...

 

Mark Loretta, plz. (Really I just want Walker back to leadoff next year, but that'll never happen)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not laughing at your opinion...I'm laughing near it.

 

:lol: :lmao:

[RationalSoxFan]

Dave Roberts will probablt get less than Neifi, Pierre will probably receive a raise of at least a million a year. I'll take Roberts.

[Outshined_One]

Matt Murton's capable of leading off, but this organization is looking for speedy guys who can beat out infield hits, steal bases, and hit .300 without much in the way of power. I don't think they'll look in his direction.

 

I have a feeling Pierre gets signed to a two year deal. Can't say I'd too thrilled with that.

[Laura]

I have a feeling Pierre gets signed to a two year deal. Can't say I'd too thrilled with that.

 

Two years is optimistic in my book.

[wolf stansson]

Pie is a top 50 prospect, and was easily top 30-35 (seen him as high as top 18)

Granted I am far from being knowledgeable about the Cubs farm system and their prospects, but that is HIGH praise for .275/.335/.419/.754.

 

I'm assuming since he is 21 that he must have done quite well in the lower levels to be in AAA.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Pie is a top 50 prospect, and was easily top 30-35 (seen him as high as top 18)

Granted I am far from being knowledgeable about the Cubs farm system and their prospects, but that is HIGH praise for .275/.335/.419/.754.

 

I'm assuming since he is 21 that he must have done quite well in the lower levels to be in AAA.

 

He's done quite well at lower levels. He's still a top-50 prospect despite his struggles this season, given his age, past success and tools.

[wolf stansson]

Pie is a top 50 prospect, and was easily top 30-35 (seen him as high as top 18)

Granted I am far from being knowledgeable about the Cubs farm system and their prospects, but that is HIGH praise for .275/.335/.419/.754.

 

I'm assuming since he is 21 that he must have done quite well in the lower levels to be in AAA.

 

He's done quite well at lower levels. He's still a top-50 prospect despite his struggles this season, given his age, past success and tools.

Any MLB'ers that he could project to be similar to?

[cbbryan]

Pie is a top 50 prospect, and was easily top 30-35 (seen him as high as top 18)

Granted I am far from being knowledgeable about the Cubs farm system and their prospects, but that is HIGH praise for .275/.335/.419/.754.

 

I'm assuming since he is 21 that he must have done quite well in the lower levels to be in AAA.

 

He's done quite well at lower levels. He's still a top-50 prospect despite his struggles this season, given his age, past success and tools.

Any MLB'ers that he could project to be similar to?

 

The first year or two in the minors I heard comparisons to Vlad, but I don't know if he's still thought of like that.

[Balsa]

I'd rather take a two year deal of Pierre than the aging Roberts.

 

If Pie develops fast next year, we can always deal Pierre as well because he'll be much younger.

 

Plus, I like the last two months of Pierre.

[cheapseats]

Any MLB'ers that he could project to be similar to?

 

His #1 comp in PECOTA is Corey Patterson. No kidding. Also on the list: Rocco Baldelli and Hanley Ramirez. However, none of his comp scores are very high, which means he's something of an outlier at this point.

[RynoRules]

Pie scares me. I hate hitching our wagons to one kid; we don't have too many other position players of note in the system. If someone like Dunn or Jones could be had for Pie, I'd do it without regret.

[Radar3454]

I'd rather take a two year deal of Pierre than the aging Roberts.

 

If Pie develops fast next year, we can always deal Pierre as well because he'll be much younger.

 

Plus, I like the last two months of Pierre.

 

I would be willing to wager Pierre gets at least a 3/21 and unfortunately it will be with the Cubs. I like the fact that he plays everyday and hustles but he needs to be better at getting on base and defense since he has absolutely no power.

[frostwyrm]

I'm still bummed that Jim didn't trade Pierre while his value was high.

[cubsjunky95]

I think he's already won people over, he's already showing flashes of the hitter that we thought we were getting. His OBP is anywhere close to where you want it but remember was at .290 for a while...you can't simply ignore his .345 BA and .380 OBP in July. If they didn't trade him on Mon. they BETTER re-sign him.

[Lefty]

I been on the Pierre bandwagon since the trade. He is a hard worker, and plays everyday. What more can you ask for? I think Pierre will be the CF next for the Cubs, and I dont have a problem with that.

 

I can ask for a leadoff hitter who can at least work the count beyond seeing 2-3 pitches and have an on-base percentage of at least .350.

 

Pierre should have his OBP above .350 by the end of the year. There isnt really any leadoff hitter on the FA market. They are really hard to find. So from saying that, I expect to see Pierre in CF next year, and I dont have a problem with that.

 

What is your obsession with a "leadoff hitter?" If the Cubs signed Edmonds to play CF, and led off with Murton, would the Cubs score more runs or less? So why get hung up on where they bat?

[Guest]

I think two years is an incredibly optimistic guess at the length of Pierre's contract -- especially if he continues to put up solid numbers for the rest of the year. I'm guessing someone will give him a 3-4 year deal in the $30-40M range because of the speed and "intangibles" he brings to the plate. At that point, I happily offer him arbitration, take my extra two draft picks and move on.

 

Roberts is an interesting play for a 1-2 year deal if you have to have the "Prototypical Leadoff Man" for your team. I doubt he'll come as cheaply as some are suggesting, but I think he could be had on something like a 2/$6M deal.

 

Loretta would be a nice fit at 2B. I'd be very comfortable with him if we can sign him to a decent deal.

 

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Given the overall makeup of the team, I have a definite first choice of direction, though. I think things are playing out that we should give Soriano the contract he's looking for and put him back at 2B. Along the lines of this thread, he seems most comfortable in the leadoff spot...so even if that wastes some of his power I'd be willing to keep him there if he thinks it will help him perform like this season. I'd also let him know that if his patience returns to more normal levels for him I'd move him down in the lineup and put someone with better OBP (such as Murton) up in the order.

[Guest]

I think he's already won people over, he's already showing flashes of the hitter that we thought we were getting. His OBP is anywhere close to where you want it but remember was at .290 for a while...you can't simply ignore his .345 BA and .380 OBP in July. If they didn't trade him on Mon. they BETTER re-sign him.

Neifi had better numbers than that in one of the months he played full-time last year. I don't want him back, either.

[Balsa]

I just don't feel comfortable with Soriano. That guy is gonna bomb out for whatever team gives him his ridiculous contract.