Angels Inquire About A-Ram

[texascub]

Given the Angles current farm system, I could think of no better partner to get some really solid foundation pieces for next year and beyond.

 

I'd seriously examine them as a trading partner.

 

I'd add the Dodgers and maybe even Tampa Bay as another trading partner, but other than that I would agree that this is the team to deal with.

 

I don't think that the 'Rays would be good trade partners. With their low budget we'd have to pay a majority of any contract we'd try to ship to them, and they probably wouldn't be willing to ship enough back to make it worth it.

[mhuber92211]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

[MPrior]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

Ah, but Aramis is ON FIRE. If Stoneman is looking for a player to help propel him to the playoffs this year, Aramis may be the guy, so Stoneman might be willing to part with a little more.

 

I agree that we shouldn't trade Aramis for anything less than a sure bet, ML-ready type prospect that can put up majorly good numbers.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

Ah, but Aramis is ON FIRE. If Stoneman is looking for a player to help propel him to the playoffs this year, Aramis may be the guy, so Stoneman might be willing to part with a little more.

 

I agree that we shouldn't trade Aramis for anything less than a sure bet, ML-ready type prospect that can put up majorly good numbers.

 

FWIW, Steve Phillips (I know it is Steve Phillips...take it with a grain of salt if think you should) reported tonight that he believes that Stoneman's could be on the hotseat. According to Phillips Stoneman and the Angels need to make the playoffs or his job could be lost.

 

If this is true than I'm guessing Stoneman recognizes that he needs to win now and would be willing to part with minor leaguers for established players in order to save his job.

[ChiCubsFan]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

Ah, but Aramis is ON FIRE. If Stoneman is looking for a player to help propel him to the playoffs this year, Aramis may be the guy, so Stoneman might be willing to part with a little more.

 

I agree that we shouldn't trade Aramis for anything less than a sure bet, ML-ready type prospect that can put up majorly good numbers.

 

I know Aramis had a bad start to the year, but he's put up solid numbers over the season thus far. 23 HR and 66 RBI to go along with a .856 OPS is pretty good. Aramis would get us at least a top prospect like Kendrick or Wood and probably another lesser prospect like Mathis.

[texascub]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

McPherson, Aybar, and a pitcher like Amalio Diaz would be a pretty good package for ARam IMO. McPherson is 26 but he's got some pop and hits left-handed. He'll probably never put up a great average, but his offensive production would most likely be similar to ARam. Aybar is tearing up AAA and he's still only 22. It appears as though his defense isn't too stellar but a middle IF of Cedeno and Aybar would get to a ton a groundballs most teams couldn't, which will help with some of our groundball pitchers. A minor league pitcher on top of that is gravy.

[ChiCubsFan]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

McPherson, Aybar, and a pitcher like Amalio Diaz would be a pretty good package for ARam IMO. McPherson is 26 but he's got some pop and hits left-handed. He'll probably never put up a great average, but his offensive production would most likely be similar to ARam. Aybar is tearing up AAA and he's still only 22. It appears as though his defense isn't too stellar but a middle IF of Cedeno and Aybar would get to a ton a groundballs most teams couldn't, which will help with some of our groundball pitchers. A minor league pitcher on top of that is gravy.

 

I think you are undervaluing Ramirez or overvaluing those particular prospects. I don't see McPherson ever being anything close to Aramis. His .284 OBP at AAA this year isn't too promising. Aybar is having a nice season so far, but I'm not sold on him.

[Rusch33]

According to MLBtraderumors (i know, it's probably not reliable), the Angels offered Kendry Morales for ARam.

 

The Cubs declined.

[texascub]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

McPherson, Aybar, and a pitcher like Amalio Diaz would be a pretty good package for ARam IMO. McPherson is 26 but he's got some pop and hits left-handed. He'll probably never put up a great average, but his offensive production would most likely be similar to ARam. Aybar is tearing up AAA and he's still only 22. It appears as though his defense isn't too stellar but a middle IF of Cedeno and Aybar would get to a ton a groundballs most teams couldn't, which will help with some of our groundball pitchers. A minor league pitcher on top of that is gravy.

 

I think you are undervaluing Ramirez or overvaluing those particular prospects. I don't see McPherson ever being anything close to Aramis. His .284 OBP at AAA this year isn't too promising. Aybar is having a nice season so far, but I'm not sold on him.

 

McPherson has been injured and his numbers at AAA aren't fair to evaluate him by. He's played a total for 36 games there and I believe it's been split between 2 rehab assignments. He's averaged a line of .308/.393/.575/.968 while he's been in the minors and he's got a boatload of power (total of 43 homers in 04). He's struggled with injuries but he's got excellent potential. Aybar might not be spectacular, but he's got better plate discipline than Ronny and more power. If nothing else, he's a pretty good trading chip if we decide that we don't want him anymore.

 

I think that you may be overvaluing Ramirez. 2 ML-ready prospects plus another young pitcher is pretty good for someone that can void out of their contract at the end of this season. He's hot right now but he's also streaky, I don't see us getting a couple of top prospects for him with other offensive players like Lee and Soriano out there.

[ChiCubsFan]

There is NO WAY that Stoneman trades any of his high profile prospects. Especially in a deal that nets him a player that it having a subpar season. Likely, Aram would net us McPherson, Aybar/Izturis and a low level pitching prospect.

 

The only player I would think that Stoneman will trade is Kotchman. He would fit well in a package to Baltimore.

 

McPherson, Aybar, and a pitcher like Amalio Diaz would be a pretty good package for ARam IMO. McPherson is 26 but he's got some pop and hits left-handed. He'll probably never put up a great average, but his offensive production would most likely be similar to ARam. Aybar is tearing up AAA and he's still only 22. It appears as though his defense isn't too stellar but a middle IF of Cedeno and Aybar would get to a ton a groundballs most teams couldn't, which will help with some of our groundball pitchers. A minor league pitcher on top of that is gravy.

 

I think you are undervaluing Ramirez or overvaluing those particular prospects. I don't see McPherson ever being anything close to Aramis. His .284 OBP at AAA this year isn't too promising. Aybar is having a nice season so far, but I'm not sold on him.

 

McPherson has been injured and his numbers at AAA aren't fair to evaluate him by. He's played a total for 36 games there and I believe it's been split between 2 rehab assignments. He's averaged a line of .308/.393/.575/.968 while he's been in the minors and he's got a boatload of power (total of 43 homers in 04). He's struggled with injuries but he's got excellent potential. Aybar might not be spectacular, but he's got better plate discipline than Ronny and more power. If nothing else, he's a pretty good trading chip if we decide that we don't want him anymore.

 

I think that you may be overvaluing Ramirez. 2 ML-ready prospects plus another young pitcher is pretty good for someone that can void out of their contract at the end of this season. He's hot right now but he's also streaky, I don't see us getting a couple of top prospects for him with other offensive players like Lee and Soriano out there.

 

I know about McPherson. He's had a few opportunities to win the 3B job for Anaheim and hasn't been able to do it. He has put up good minor leauge numbers in the past, but I just don't see him as a good option at 3b for the future. He's had a few injuries and back problems are tough to make disappear forever. I would probably agree that Aybar is a better prospect than Cedeno...but that's not saying much.

 

I realize Aramis can void out of his contract, but I think Hendry has a good idea on whether or not he intends to use that option. If JH thinks Aramis will use that option, then by all means, trade him. I just don't think you should trade our best hitter (who puts up a .850+ OPS in a down year) for a 26 year old injury prone 3b who has proved absolutely nothing in the majors, a MI slightly better than Cedeno, and some throw-in pitcher. Sorry, I just fail to see how that improves the 2007 Chicago Cubs baseball team.

[ChiCubsFan]

Also, what does Lee and Soriano have to do with it? Aramis is younger, plays a different position, and he isn't a FA after this season. That alone, sets them apart. Ramirez has also been better than both over the past 3 years.

 

Yeah, there being more supply will lower Aramis's demand, but not to the point where you settle for McPherson, Aybar, and a throw-in pitching prospect.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Also, what does Lee and Soriano have to do with it? Aramis is younger, plays a different position, and he isn't a FA after this season. That alone, sets them apart. Ramirez has also been better than both over the past 3 years.

 

Yeah, there being more supply will lower Aramis's demand, but not to the point where you settle for McPherson, Aybar, and a throw-in pitching prospect.

 

While Ramirez isn't a FA, he does have the opt out clause.

[ChiCubsFan]

Also, what does Lee and Soriano have to do with it? Aramis is younger, plays a different position, and he isn't a FA after this season. That alone, sets them apart. Ramirez has also been better than both over the past 3 years.

 

Yeah, there being more supply will lower Aramis's demand, but not to the point where you settle for McPherson, Aybar, and a throw-in pitching prospect.

 

While Ramirez isn't a FA, he does have the opt out clause.

 

Yeah I know, but any team trading for him could theoretically work out something to get a guarantee from Ramirez that he would waive that option. At least the option of it not being only a 2 month rental is greater with Ramirez than it is with Lee and Soriano.

[UBlink]

Also, what does Lee and Soriano have to do with it? Aramis is younger, plays a different position, and he isn't a FA after this season. That alone, sets them apart. Ramirez has also been better than both over the past 3 years.

 

Yeah, there being more supply will lower Aramis's demand, but not to the point where you settle for McPherson, Aybar, and a throw-in pitching prospect.

 

While Ramirez isn't a FA, he does have the opt out clause.

 

Yeah I know, but any team trading for him could theoretically work out something to get a guarantee from Ramirez that he would waive that option. At least the option of it not being only a 2 month rental is greater with Ramirez than it is with Lee and Soriano.

 

No, actually it's worse because if Lee or Soriano tear up a knee or something in September you aren't obligated for future years. Ramirez's option is his option - he exercises it if he thinks he can do better, the team is still obligated if he doesn't.

[ChiCubsFan]

Also, what does Lee and Soriano have to do with it? Aramis is younger, plays a different position, and he isn't a FA after this season. That alone, sets them apart. Ramirez has also been better than both over the past 3 years.

 

Yeah, there being more supply will lower Aramis's demand, but not to the point where you settle for McPherson, Aybar, and a throw-in pitching prospect.

 

While Ramirez isn't a FA, he does have the opt out clause.

 

Yeah I know, but any team trading for him could theoretically work out something to get a guarantee from Ramirez that he would waive that option. At least the option of it not being only a 2 month rental is greater with Ramirez than it is with Lee and Soriano.

 

No, actually it's worse because if Lee or Soriano tear up a knee or something in September you aren't obligated for future years. Ramirez's option is his option - he exercises it if he thinks he can do better, the team is still obligated if he doesn't.

 

That makes some sense, but when youre trading top prospects for players, you would want them to be around for more than a couple months. If you don't agree with that, then we just have to agree to disagree.

[Backtobanks]

According to MLBtraderumors (i know, it's probably not reliable), the Angels offered Kendry Morales for ARam.

 

The Cubs declined.

 

Just what the Cubs need, a 1B that they just sent to AAA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cubs have a 1B.

[USSoccer]

According to MLBtraderumors (i know, it's probably not reliable), the Angels offered Kendry Morales for ARam.

 

The Cubs declined.

 

Just what the Cubs need, a 1B that they just sent to AAA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cubs have a 1B.

 

Good. Trading Aramis for prospects is a waste unless he's a lock to opt out, and even then I'd explore other possibilities.

[Iceblink]

According to MLBtraderumors (i know, it's probably not reliable), the Angels offered Kendry Morales for ARam.

 

The Cubs declined.

 

Even Hendry wouldn't be dumb enough to make this one. Probably a whole lot closer to the offers we can expect than the ones in this thread, however.

 

ARam's value is way too high to trade him now. We need to wait until there's a blow up between him, Dusty, the media, and Steve Stone. Then we can trade him for whomever is Baltimore's current best career AAA player.

[bhogg]

According to MLBtraderumors (i know, it's probably not reliable), the Angels offered Kendry Morales for ARam.

 

The Cubs declined.

 

Just what the Cubs need, a 1B that they just sent to AAA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cubs have a 1B.

 

Good. Trading Aramis for prospects is a waste unless he's a lock to opt out, and even then I'd explore other possibilities.

 

Well, they've had a 2b for the past 3 years, but that never stopped them from signing 18 dozen other 2b. . .. .

[Laura]

MLB.com[/url]"] More talks: The Cubs have expressed interest in Class A right-hander Nick Adenhart, according to an industry source. The Angels have received a number of inquiries about the 19-year-old right-hander, who increased his record to 4-1 with a win on Friday, when he allowed two runs on five hits over seven innings.

 

The Cubs have reportedly shopped third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who could also provide some depth to the Angels' lineup. Ramirez entered Saturday hitting .269 with 23 homers, but he's been hot lately. In July, he has a .322 average with nine home runs.

 

But Adenhart, whom the Angels drafted in 2004 and then put on a regimented rehab program following elbow reconstruction surgery, figures heavily into the organization's future plans.

 

Nick Adenhart at MiLB.com

[USSoccer]

MLB.com[/url]"] More talks: The Cubs have expressed interest in Class A right-hander Nick Adenhart, according to an industry source. The Angels have received a number of inquiries about the 19-year-old right-hander, who increased his record to 4-1 with a win on Friday, when he allowed two runs on five hits over seven innings.

 

The Cubs have reportedly shopped third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who could also provide some depth to the Angels' lineup. Ramirez entered Saturday hitting .269 with 23 homers, but he's been hot lately. In July, he has a .322 average with nine home runs.

 

But Adenhart, whom the Angels drafted in 2004 and then put on a regimented rehab program following elbow reconstruction surgery, figures heavily into the organization's future plans.

 

Nick Adenhart at MiLB.com

 

Boy, that would be a stupid, stupid trade. Let's deal our best run producer and our 3rd best player for a 19 year old Class A pitcher.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

MLB.com[/url]"] More talks: The Cubs have expressed interest in Class A right-hander Nick Adenhart, according to an industry source. The Angels have received a number of inquiries about the 19-year-old right-hander, who increased his record to 4-1 with a win on Friday, when he allowed two runs on five hits over seven innings.

 

The Cubs have reportedly shopped third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who could also provide some depth to the Angels' lineup. Ramirez entered Saturday hitting .269 with 23 homers, but he's been hot lately. In July, he has a .322 average with nine home runs.

 

But Adenhart, whom the Angels drafted in 2004 and then put on a regimented rehab program following elbow reconstruction surgery, figures heavily into the organization's future plans.

 

Nick Adenhart at MiLB.com

 

Hendry scares me. The Angels have some good young prospects and he reportedly zeros in on a single A pitcher with a new elbow.

 

I guess Hendry likes the current Cub offense enough to go shopping for more young pitchers.

[dvdd127]

I swear to god... if he trades ARam.....he better only do it if ARam agrees to opt out of his contract and come back next year.

[bhogg]

It kinda makes you wonder if ARam has told Hendry that he has no intention of playing for the Cubs next year.

[Laura]

I wouldn't interpret the mlb.com paragraph as saying the Cubs were proposing an Aramis - Adenhart trade. :) I think it's disjointed and just indicates that there were some talks and both players were mentioned.