Lou on ESPN1000

[Banedon]

I didn't hear the whole interview, just a very small bit of it, but Lou was actually defending Baker, essentially giving the "you don't forget how to win" argument, using Baker's manager of the year awards as a basis for him being a good manager now.

 

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Oh how quick can we sign this guy up??? :depress:

[Caryatid]

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Tell that to Joe Girardi.

[thedaymen]

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Tell that to Joe Girardi.

 

I don't remember Lou's WS team being chocked fill o' the veterans.

[nick23]

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Tell that to Joe Girardi.

The Marlins have good young players.

[Soul]

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Tell that to Joe Girardi.

The Marlins have good young players.

 

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

[CuseCubFan69]

I didn't hear the whole interview, just a very small bit of it, but Lou was actually defending Baker, essentially giving the "you don't forget how to win" argument, using Baker's manager of the year awards as a basis for him being a good manager now.

 

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Oh how quick can we sign this guy up??? :depress:

 

Maybe Lou can use the Gold Glove award along with that manager of the year to tell us what is good and what isn't? Why do people think it's pure gospel when voters vote an award like that? Somebody ask Lou what young guys is he talking about...I'll bet he has no clue and is just preaching some junk Baker said to him while he was doing the game for ESPN.

[Soul]

I didn't hear the whole interview, just a very small bit of it, but Lou was actually defending Baker, essentially giving the "you don't forget how to win" argument, using Baker's manager of the year awards as a basis for him being a good manager now.

 

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Oh how quick can we sign this guy up??? :depress:

 

Maybe Lou can use the Gold Glove award along with that manager of the year to tell us what is good and what isn't? Why do people think it's pure gospel when voters vote an award like that? Somebody ask Lou what young guys is he talking about...I'll bet he has no clue and is just preaching some junk Baker said to him while he was doing the game for ESPN.

 

I guess Baker's in full-on excuse mode now. And it's spreading!

 

"Waaah. I've got too many youngsters!" Wow, give me a break. Curse the Cubs for winning 3 in a row to go into the All-Star break. I'll bet Hendry agrees with Baker. 2 year extension for Dusty, comin' right up!

[nick23]

But then Lou throws this gem at us...: "It's hard to win with so many young players starting all the time."

 

Tell that to Joe Girardi.

The Marlins have good young players.

 

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

[Banedon]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

[YearofDaCubs]

No more old school managers please. It's obvious managers like Baker, and Lou are exactly what we DON'T need here anymore.

[Soul]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

Also, I don't see the Marlins' young players regressing like Murton & Cedeno. No, I don't believe a guy who was hitting over .300 for the last part of last season PLUS this season until June is really a .230 hitter and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

[Tracer Bullet]

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

Exactly, Willingham and Ramirez have been struggling for the last month or so. If Baker had them, Neifi and Nevin would have been playing regularly in their place - or at least taking a lot of starts from them.

[nick23]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

 

 

Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi are in very different situations. It wasn't Dusty Baker who picked up Nevin and Womack it was our wonderful GM. Also when did Dusty replace a young kid after he struggled for a week? I'm not a Baker supporter by any means, but I really don't have too much of a problem with the way he's played the kids this year. The only major problem I have is his recent platoon of Murtin, and him not pitching Guzman while he was up.

[YearofDaCubs]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

 

 

Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi are in very different situations. It wasn't Dusty Baker who picked up Nevin and Womack it was our wonderful GM. Also when did Dusty replace a young kid after he struggled for a week? I'm not a Baker supporter by any means, but I really don't have too much of a problem with the way he's played the kids this year. The only major problem I have is his recent platoon of Murtin, and him not pitching Guzman while he was up.

 

 

 

What you don't have too much of a problem with is exactly what the problem is. Murton and Guzman are just the latest examples of many we've seen under his tutelage.

[nick23]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

 

 

Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi are in very different situations. It wasn't Dusty Baker who picked up Nevin and Womack it was our wonderful GM. Also when did Dusty replace a young kid after he struggled for a week? I'm not a Baker supporter by any means, but I really don't have too much of a problem with the way he's played the kids this year. The only major problem I have is his recent platoon of Murtin, and him not pitching Guzman while he was up.

 

 

 

What you don't have too much of a problem with is exactly what the problem is. Murton and Guzman are just the latest examples of many we've seen under his tutelage.

 

 

I just don't think he's been nearly as bad this year as in the past. Cedeno is still the starter and Murton is still getting the majority of the time in left. What else should he be doing?

[YearofDaCubs]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

 

 

Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi are in very different situations. It wasn't Dusty Baker who picked up Nevin and Womack it was our wonderful GM. Also when did Dusty replace a young kid after he struggled for a week? I'm not a Baker supporter by any means, but I really don't have too much of a problem with the way he's played the kids this year. The only major problem I have is his recent platoon of Murtin, and him not pitching Guzman while he was up.

 

 

 

What you don't have too much of a problem with is exactly what the problem is. Murton and Guzman are just the latest examples of many we've seen under his tutelage.

 

 

I just don't think he's been nerly as bad this year as in the past. Cedeno is still the starter and Murton is still getting the majority of the time in left. What else should he be doing?

You don't think so? How many times have we seen Rusch pitch when we all knew he should not be on this team anymore let alone starting? It's pretty obvious our season is over which means the kids should be playing everyday. At one point Murton was only starting against lefties and let me tell you it was fun watching Mabry play LF. Why was Rusch given several chances to start and the rookies were not given the chance even though their numbers were actually better than fat one? When are we finally going to have a consistent lineup? Have we ever had a consistent lineup since Baker has been here? Even Walker boy hasn't been playing as much so that Dusty can add his little henchman at 2B or SS and bat in the 2spot. Baker has been bad, no question. That stubborn fool needs to go.

[nick23]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

 

 

Dusty Baker and Joe Girardi are in very different situations. It wasn't Dusty Baker who picked up Nevin and Womack it was our wonderful GM. Also when did Dusty replace a young kid after he struggled for a week? I'm not a Baker supporter by any means, but I really don't have too much of a problem with the way he's played the kids this year. The only major problem I have is his recent platoon of Murtin, and him not pitching Guzman while he was up.

 

 

 

What you don't have too much of a problem with is exactly what the problem is. Murton and Guzman are just the latest examples of many we've seen under his tutelage.

 

 

I just don't think he's been nerly as bad this year as in the past. Cedeno is still the starter and Murton is still getting the majority of the time in left. What else should he be doing?

You don't think so? How many times have we seen Rusch pitch when we all knew he should not be on this team anymore let alone starting? It's pretty obvious our season is over which means the kids should be playing everyday. At one point Murton was only starting against lefties and let me tell you it was fun watching Mabry play LF. Why was Rusch given several chances to start and the rookies were not given the chance even though their numbers were actually better than fat one? When are we finally going to have a consistent lineup? Have we ever had a consistent lineup since Baker has been here? Even Walker boy hasn't been playing as much so that Dusty can add his little henchman at 2B or SS and bat in the 2spot. Baker has been bad, no question. That stubborn fool needs to go.

 

I'm only referring to his usage of the young players not his usage of Walker, Neifi, Rusch, or the lineups. The only two young pitchers on the team are in the rotation. That's good. Cedeno is still the starter and SS. That's good. Murton is still the LF. That's good. Look, I didn't post in this thread to defend Baker. I only posted because someone compared the Marlins young talent to the Cub's young talent. They're not comparable at all.

[Banedon]

I just don't think he's been nearly as bad this year as in the past. Cedeno is still the starter and Murton is still getting the majority of the time in left. What else should he be doing?

 

Hill should be pitching instead of Rusch.

 

Guzman rotted on the bench.

 

Murton got benched for Nevin instead of playing through his slump. He's hitting again now with more playing time.

 

Baker has always looked upon young players as an obstacle to overcome, instead of the potential success that they might bring. Baker would be horrible managing the Marlins.

 

EDIT: Ugh, had to go fix all those quotes...it was giving me a headache.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Banedon

[SouthSideRyan]

BUT LOU'S GOT FIRE!!!!

 

Don't mind saying I told you so.

[nick23]

I just don't think he's been nearly as bad this year as in the past. Cedeno is still the starter and Murton is still getting the majority of the time in left. What else should he be doing?

 

Hill should be pitching instead of Rusch.

 

Guzman rotted on the bench.

 

Murton got benched for Nevin instead of playing through his slump. He's hitting again now with more playing time.

 

Baker has always looked upon young players as an obstacle to overcome, instead of the potential success that they might bring. Baker would be horrible managing the Marlins.

 

EDIT: Ugh, had to go fix all those quotes...it was giving me a headache.

 

Hill is not on the team.

 

Murton is on pace for almost 500 at bats. That's not too bad.

 

You're right Baker would not be a good manager for the Marlins. I don't think anybody is saying he would be. But to say "Girardi is winning with young talent, why can't Baker" is just not fair. The Marlins have far better young talent than the Cubs.

[MustangMike]

The Marlins have young players they are teaching to be good. Big difference. We're busy tanking our younguns.

I think you're giving Girardi a little too much credit. Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Mike Jacobs, and Jeremy Hermida were good long before Joe Girardi got ahold of them. I think it's impressive what's going on in Florida this year but they have some really good young talent.

 

Do you think with the same players, that Dusty Baker would be doing as well? Or do you think he'd have picked up players like Tony Womack or Phil Nevin to take over for one of the kids after they struggle for a week?

 

With their apparent ability to rebuild and scout talent, I think we should get their GM...or scouting director...not their manager! :)

[fiver]

The correct answer was "Jim Leyland". The Tigers were also fond of this idea, and the result has been more than positive.

[Banedon]

Hill is not on the team.

 

Do you really think that Baker has nothing to do with that?

[nick23]

Hill is not on the team.

 

Do you really think that Baker has nothing to do with that?

 

I don't know. I just know that he's not on the team. The so called "rookies" on the team he is playing however. I just want the blame for this season to fall on Jim Hendry. I'm not a Baker fan but this season is not his fault. I'm so dissapointed in Hendry this year that it makes me want to vomit. It's just such a helpless feeling knowing that this man is in control of the team that I love. I think he deserves 95% of the blame and Baker 5%.

[Banedon]

I think he deserves 95% of the blame and Baker 5%.

 

What would Baker have had to do to get a higher percentage? I'm just not sure what more a manager can do to deserve being fired.