Brenly for mgr?

[BeerHere]

I'm sure this has been brought up in numerous other threads, but what Brenly for manager? If we can't pry Girardi away from the fish, he might be a good gamble as well.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While there are worse choices than Brenly, there are also much better choices as well.

[JWCUB]

I wish we could have taken care of this in the offseason. Girardi would have been a PERFECT fit.

[Iceblink]

Brenley is often regarded as a terrible game manager. Not just bad, but terrible. Actually heard Patrick/Olbermann say the same today.

 

Still, he can probably handle a veteran team that's ready to win. I'd have little faith he could guide this team back to respectability - even if Hendry suddenly developed personnel assessment skills.

 

I hope we've learned from all the previous experiments with pulling announcers into the dugout.

[RegulusBlue]

I just want to hire a no name in the interim and see if a young, unproven manager can be a flash in the pan. I'm so tired of the baseball establishment at this point. Let's just go out and get the manager equivalent of Theo Epstein. A young, smart guy who can put the best guys on the field and develop some talent when necessary.

 

That, or Von Joshua.

[CubsBullsBears]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

[Iceblink]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

At the moment (Murton aside), those two motivations would unfortunately conflict. I'd still play the kids, but our kids aren't any more selective than the veterans.

 

How about "play the kids and teach them how to take walks." (assuming that's a skill that can be taught)

[CubsBullsBears]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

At the moment (Murton aside), those two motivations would unfortunately conflict. I'd still play the kids, but our kids aren't any more selective than the veterans.

 

How about "play the kids and teach them how to take walks." (assuming that's a skill that can be taught)

Well even when Dusty has had goodd veterens, we've been a wild swinging team (2003, 2004)

[cubbette14]

I know I have the minority opinion on this but I like Bob Brenly as an

announcer. Manager - I don't know.

 

I would want Joe Girardi or Bobby Valentine. I doubt if either one will be available though.

 

BUT PLEASE - NOT RYNE SANDBERG, ANYBODY BUT HIM. PLEASE - NO!!

 

 

BOBBY VALENTINE - YES BOBBY V.

[BigbadB]

Interesting that the Cubs do not value OBP, yet OBP is one of the stats that flashes up on the screen for each batter.

 

Whoever had the power or authority to get that stat posted on the screen is who I want as the next Cubs manager. :wink:

 

I mean, think about it. Posting OBP when the team doesn't value it in any way, shape or form would be comparable to posting Pitcher Abuse Points for each pitcher coming into a game rather than IP, W, ERA, etc....

 

It's like the guys in the WGN truck have a bigger clue than the Cubs management team, for cryin' out loud.

[dalgreen]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

I don't get the play the kids talk. Who do we have that's not playing who should be playing? I'm all for playing kids if and when they're ready and if they're good. Hill, Dubois and Choi were not as good as many of us thought, and not to turn this into a Murton thread, but I was fooled. i don't think he'll be as good as I thought he would be. Just ask yourself this: If we didn't trade for Nomar, do you think Murton would be playing everyday for the Red Sox?

 

Brenly is a bad in-game manager. No one remembers game 5 of the 2001 NLDS when he called for a suicide squeeze in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. Womack bunted through it and a runner was caught between third and home. That would've gone down as one of the dumbest calls in post-season history, but Womack then singled the game winning run home from second. I want the Cubs to get a guy who knows how to win and has won before. The first thing a manager will have to do is convince Hendry that OBP and OPS are important stats and take the word "toolsy" out of Hendry's vocabulary.

[Banedon]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

I don't get the play the kids talk. Who do we have that's not playing who should be playing? I'm all for playing kids if and when they're ready and if they're good. Hill, Dubois and Choi were not as good as many of us thought, and not to turn this into a Murton thread, but I was fooled. i don't think he'll be as good as I thought he would be. Just ask yourself this: If we didn't trade for Nomar, do you think Murton would be playing everyday for the Red Sox?

 

If Glendon Rusch is good enough to be pitching, then surely Rich Hill deserves a better shot than he's gotten. And you can't answer the question fairly without saying that Murton should be playing every day. Guzman was allowed to rot away on the bench for 2 weeks before he was sent down. Theriot got just about zero playing time during the time he was up.

 

And your question about the Sox is comparing apples to oranges. The Sox are competing to get into the playoffs. The Cubs are one of the worst teams in the majors. Playing veterans over potential makes no sense at this point. If the Red Sox were staring down the barrell of a 100 loss season, yes, I think they'd have played Matt Murton every day, no question.

[Wilson A2000]

There is a rumor that Girardi has a clause in his contract that allows his to leave Florida of the Yankees or Cusb job opens up. Hmmmmm.....

[Drew Doughty]

I believe Len was the one pushing for that, actually.

 

I think Len would make a great manager or GM, personally.

[beowulf28]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

I don't get the play the kids talk. Who do we have that's not playing who should be playing? I'm all for playing kids if and when they're ready and if they're good. Hill, Dubois and Choi were not as good as many of us thought, and not to turn this into a Murton thread, but I was fooled. i don't think he'll be as good as I thought he would be. Just ask yourself this: If we didn't trade for Nomar, do you think Murton would be playing everyday for the Red Sox?

 

Brenly is a bad in-game manager. No one remembers game 5 of the 2001 NLDS when he called for a suicide squeeze in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. Womack bunted through it and a runner was caught between third and home. That would've gone down as one of the dumbest calls in post-season history, but Womack then singled the game winning run home from second. I want the Cubs to get a guy who knows how to win and has won before. The first thing a manager will have to do is convince Hendry that OBP and OPS are important stats and take the word "toolsy" out of Hendry's vocabulary.

 

I agree. If the kids are ready, great! If not, can't it hurt them to be brought up before they're ready?

[DivineBovine]

I still remember him continuing to trot Byung Hyun Kim out there over and over in the WS so he could pitch BP to the Yanks.

 

But at least he won one. More than I could say for the Cubs in the past 98 years.

[Elrhino]

I don't mind letting the kids play as long as people don't fool themselves into believing there is something there that really isn't because they want to believe it. Its not just the Red Sox. Any team that didn't have the worst corner OF situation in baseball wouldn't have Murton even platooning.

 

I don't see why the Cubs would hire a OBP valuing manager when Hendry doesn't believe in aquiring OBP players. I think we're going to end up with Jimmy Williams, as sad as that may be.

[BeerHere]

There is a rumor that Girardi has a clause in his contract that allows his to leave Florida of the Yankees or Cusb job opens up. Hmmmmm.....

 

Please PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease

 

Let this be true.

[Mizzou]

There is a rumor that Girardi has a clause in his contract that allows his to leave Florida of the Yankees or Cusb job opens up. Hmmmmm.....

Where'd you hear that? I'd love for Girardi to become the next Cubs manager.

[Pinktermite]

I don't see why the Cubs would hire a OBP valuing manager when Hendry doesn't believe in aquiring OBP players. I think we're going to end up with Jimmy Williams, as sad as that may be.

 

I see people say this all the time on here. Just what is DLee and Aram? These guys have good OBP's, at least in good years they do. JJ has a decent OBP. So does Barrett. To make that argument that Jim doesn't value that statistic is lukewarm (though not a weak one).

 

I just think it's unfair to criticize everything the guy does. He wants to win just as bad as we do. Someone help me here?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think if we had a manager that valued OBP Hendry might listen to him and look to acquire that kind of players.

[DivineBovine]

I don't see why the Cubs would hire a OBP valuing manager when Hendry doesn't believe in aquiring OBP players. I think we're going to end up with Jimmy Williams, as sad as that may be.

 

I see people say this all the time on here. Just what is DLee and Aram? These guys have good OBP's, at least in good years they do. JJ has a decent OBP. So does Barrett. To make that argument that Jim doesn't value that statistic is lukewarm (though not a weak one).

 

I just think it's unfair to criticize everything the guy does. He wants to win just as bad as we do. Someone help me here?

 

Well, Dlee does walk, but I don't consider Aram and Barrett good walk guys. Neither Aram nor Barrett walk a lot, and neither walked a lot before Hendry acquired them. They are both very good at not striking out, but neither draws a lot of walks given their BA's. Nomar was the same type of player. Good hitter, low walks, low K's.

[Magnetic Curses]

I don't see why the Cubs would hire a OBP valuing manager when Hendry doesn't believe in aquiring OBP players. I think we're going to end up with Jimmy Williams, as sad as that may be.

 

I see people say this all the time on here. Just what is DLee and Aram? These guys have good OBP's, at least in good years they do. JJ has a decent OBP. So does Barrett. To make that argument that Jim doesn't value that statistic is lukewarm (though not a weak one).

 

I just think it's unfair to criticize everything the guy does. He wants to win just as bad as we do. Someone help me here?

 

it's not OBP, it's IsoD, which is the difference between BA and OBP. jones' is bad, cedeno's is bad, neifi's is bad, pierre's is somewhat bad.

 

barrett's, ramirez's, murton's are average--DLee and walker's are good.

 

hendry is by no means trying to find a market inconsistency with this.

[ZipDog]

How about just get someone who will play the kids and value walks and OBP??

 

I don't get the play the kids talk. Who do we have that's not playing who should be playing? I'm all for playing kids if and when they're ready and if they're good. Hill, Dubois and Choi were not as good as many of us thought, and not to turn this into a Murton thread, but I was fooled. i don't think he'll be as good as I thought he would be. Just ask yourself this: If we didn't trade for Nomar, do you think Murton would be playing everyday for the Red Sox?

 

Brenly is a bad in-game manager. No one remembers game 5 of the 2001 NLDS when he called for a suicide squeeze in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth. Womack bunted through it and a runner was caught between third and home. That would've gone down as one of the dumbest calls in post-season history, but Womack then singled the game winning run home from second. I want the Cubs to get a guy who knows how to win and has won before. The first thing a manager will have to do is convince Hendry that OBP and OPS are important stats and take the word "toolsy" out of Hendry's vocabulary.

 

Thank God! Someone who FINALLY realizes and states the truth regarding this idiot who occupies the broadcast booth for WGN and Comcast TV. Brenly is a complete, utter fool. He is wrong almost ALL of the time when he "analyzes" ball games; and, just last night, he criticized Zambrano on a perfectly-executed 1-2-3 double play. Brenly is an embarrament to the Cubs broadcasting team; let's not compount the errors made my management by putting this idiot into the dugout, for cryin' out loud!!!!!!!

 

Brenly Sucks....Big Time!

[treebird]

why do people like girardi?