Why is Rothschild's job safe?

[CuseCubFan69]

The only justification I can think of is that Larry disagrees with many of the decisions Baker has made to overrule him.

 

The thing is, I'm not sure how having disagreements with Baker would keep Rothschild from doing things like helping to improve the control of our pitchers or trying to get our starting pitchers to become more economical, though. I'm sure Baker isn't telling Rothschild to make sure every young pitcher coming up from the farm system remains a wild man or that everybody on our staff should be turned into home run derby pitchers.

 

Rothschild really needs to go with the rest of them.

 

Yeah, well I'm reaching. I don't think he's earned the praise he's received or the job security he apparantly enjoys.

 

Maybe Hendry feels guilty about keeping him from the Detroit job and wants to make up for it by giving him another managers job.

 

It looks as if it really paid off for Detroit.

[cubfan1955]

The love Hendry shows for Rothschild is disturbing. :twisted:

[Scott G. F.]

Rothchild is not one of Dusty's guys. He was carried over from Baylor. Or Kimm.

 

Maddux laughs at him and his advice. Which is sad.

[soccer10k]

If you're going to clean house, do it and fire everybody.

 

I don't buy into the Baker overruling Rothchild theory. The decisions to leave pitchers in is just as much Rothchild's as it is Baker's.

[Neuby]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

[Jon]

If you're going to clean house, do it and fire everybody.

 

I don't buy into the Baker overruling Rothchild theory. The decisions to leave pitchers in is just as much Rothchild's as it is Baker's.

Yup. You don't keep quiet for years and turn down a managerial spot to return to the team if strongly disagree with how the pitchers are being used (which a good pitching coach would). The abuse and bullpen mismanagement tell us all we need to know about Larry. Either he is incompetent or he just won't speak up. Having one of those qualities is enough to be canned.

[Fanzones trumpet]

If you're going to clean house, do it and fire everybody.

 

I don't buy into the Baker overruling Rothchild theory. The decisions to leave pitchers in is just as much Rothchild's as it is Baker's.

Yup. You don't keep quiet for years and turn down a managerial spot to return to the team if strongly disagree with how the pitchers are being used (which a good pitching coach would). The abuse and bullpen mismanagement tell us all we need to know about Larry. Either he is incompetent or he just won't speak up. Having one of those qualities is enough to be canned.

 

Rothschild did not turn down a managerial job; he turned down a multi-year contract to be Leyland's pitching coach. And he's not gonna be canned by Hendry after showing such loyalty to the organization. If Hendry did that, he'd get a bad reputation in baseball circles for ingratitude that could hurt the Cubs down the road when it comes to hiring other people.

[Peoriaman]

it is not.

[impaler_240]

He has developed Rusch into quite a pitcher. :x

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

 

Maddux laughs at him and his advice. Which is sad.

 

 

Proof please?

[3Dog]

Rothschild did not turn down a managerial job; he turned down a multi-year contract to be Leyland's pitching coach. And he's not gonna be canned by Hendry after showing such loyalty to the organization. If Hendry did that, he'd get a bad reputation in baseball circles for ingratitude that could hurt the Cubs down the road when it comes to hiring other people.

 

Perhaps Hendry should worry a little more about the state of his team (read: dump Rothschild and Baker and the rest of the coaching staff) than maintaining his good-guy rep in baseball circles.

[Monco]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

He should have been fired long ago. Who regards him as top 5 ?

[dalgreen]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

 

I held Rothschild in high regard too until 2005. Rothschild is the pitching coach and I think people give Baker too much credit by criticizing his use of the pitchers. I think Baker doesn't know jack about pitching and pretty much relies on Pole and Rothschild. Rothschild has had two opportunities to leave the Cubs with Baker at the helm and has chosen to stay twice. That should tell you something. I've yet to read, hear or see anything to show that he is powerless and is at odds with Baker. You mean after all these years you think he'd stay if he was in constant philosophical battles with Baker?

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

 

I held Rothschild in high regard too until 2005. Rothschild is the pitching coach and I think people give Baker too much credit by criticizing his use of the pitchers. I think Baker doesn't know jack about pitching and pretty much relies on Pole and Rothschild. Rothschild has had two opportunities to leave the Cubs with Baker at the helm and has chosen to stay twice. That should tell you something. I've yet to read, hear or see anything to show that he is powerless and is at odds with Baker. You mean after all these years you think he'd stay if he was in constant philosophical battles with Baker?

 

Just to play devils advocate with you on this. Say he stayed because he had developed friendships, in some ways a father figure, to the pitching staff. Hendry being a good friend and what not from what I have read and heard. Say he decided to stay despite the differences with Baker because he wanted to try and protect the pitchers?

 

I dont have proof and it is a gut feeling as well as reading body language but I have had the impression that Hendry and Rothschild dont get along. I would also say that Baker dosent let anything happen unless he says its ok. I can easily see Rothschild being told by Baker when and what Baker wants done.

[CUBZ99]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

 

I held Rothschild in high regard too until 2005. Rothschild is the pitching coach and I think people give Baker too much credit by criticizing his use of the pitchers. I think Baker doesn't know jack about pitching and pretty much relies on Pole and Rothschild. Rothschild has had two opportunities to leave the Cubs with Baker at the helm and has chosen to stay twice. That should tell you something. I've yet to read, hear or see anything to show that he is powerless and is at odds with Baker. You mean after all these years you think he'd stay if he was in constant philosophical battles with Baker?

 

Just to play devils advocate with you on this. Say he stayed because he had developed friendships, in some ways a father figure, to the pitching staff. Hendry being a good friend and what not from what I have read and heard. Say he decided to stay despite the differences with Baker because he wanted to try and protect the pitchers?

 

I dont have proof and it is a gut feeling as well as reading body language but I have had the impression that Hendry and Rothschild dont get along. I would also say that Baker dosent let anything happen unless he says its ok. I can easily see Rothschild being told by Baker when and what Baker wants done.

 

If your gut feeling is true, then why would Hendry say that Rothschild's job is safe and not use the perfect opportunity to get rid of him.

[cubweiser03]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

He should have been fired long ago. Who regards him as top 5 ?

 

Well for one Jim Leyland thinks pretty highly of him to want him on his coaching staff.....again. If Roth was such a dingleberry why would this world class manager want him handling his YOUNG pitching staff? Now im not much of a pitching coach guru but i sure the hell think Jim Leylands opinion of a coach means something.

[cubfan1955]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

My biggest gripe with Rothschild has been his inability to get our pitchers to consistently throw strikes and keep their pitch counts down. Oh, and the towel toss is stupid too.

[Monco]

Possible Reasons Rothschild stayed:

 

Thinks hes next in line

Hes from the area.

Likes the country club attitude

Likes not being held accountable

[Irrelevant Dude]

Possible Reasons Rothschild stayed:

 

Thinks hes next in line

Hes from the area.

Likes the country club attitude

Likes not being held accountable

What about the possibility that he underestimated the Tigers and believed he had a better chance to win with the Cubs?

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Rothchild is one I hope see stay. He's a not a Baker boy. He's well regarded as one of the top five pitching coaches in the game. It's not his fault Hawkins was our closer last year. Not his fault Juan Cruz sucks. Clement is doing well in Boston? :roll: Wood and Prior getting is because of him since when? Is it his fault Baker is terrible at bullpen managment? I understand the Baker hate on this board has reached an all time high but lumping Rothchild in just isn't right.

 

I held Rothschild in high regard too until 2005. Rothschild is the pitching coach and I think people give Baker too much credit by criticizing his use of the pitchers. I think Baker doesn't know jack about pitching and pretty much relies on Pole and Rothschild. Rothschild has had two opportunities to leave the Cubs with Baker at the helm and has chosen to stay twice. That should tell you something. I've yet to read, hear or see anything to show that he is powerless and is at odds with Baker. You mean after all these years you think he'd stay if he was in constant philosophical battles with Baker?

 

Just to play devils advocate with you on this. Say he stayed because he had developed friendships, in some ways a father figure, to the pitching staff. Hendry being a good friend and what not from what I have read and heard. Say he decided to stay despite the differences with Baker because he wanted to try and protect the pitchers?

 

I dont have proof and it is a gut feeling as well as reading body language but I have had the impression that Baker and Rothschild dont get along. I would also say that Baker dosent let anything happen unless he says its ok. I can easily see Rothschild being told by Baker when and what Baker wants done.

 

If your gut feeling is true, then why would Hendry say that Rothschild's job is safe and not use the perfect opportunity to get rid of him.

 

Edited to fix typo. I meant to type Baker not Hendry in the original post. My screw up there and I appologize.

[E.J.]

The Tribune[/url]"]While Hendry said Tuesday that all the coaches would be evaluated, published reports that pitching coach Larry Rothschild and third-base coach Chris Speier are safe have increased the tension. Baker's handpicked staff includes first-base coach Gary Matthews, hitting coach Gene Clines, bench coach Dick Pole and bullpen coach Juan Lopez.

 

One of the leading candidates to replace Clines likely would be Triple-A hitting coach Von Joshua, while Class A Peoria manager Jody Davis could replace either Matthews or Lopez.

 

If Baker's "guys" are dismissed and Rothschild and Speier remain, there's likely to be some fallout that could get ugly because Hendry's coaches would be rendered essentially blameless while Baker's would be considered scapegoats.

 

Rothschild turned down a three-year offer from Detroit last October, which raised eyebrows in baseball circles. Rothschild's Cubs contract expires after 2006, and some wondered if he had an understanding with Hendry that he would return in '07, regardless of whether Baker returned.

 

I'm amazed that Clines still has a job. Von Joshua should have been made hitting coach a while ago. Not that it will help all that much with this swing-at-everything team.

 

Also, it's funny that Hendry's "guys" will get a pass, but Dusty's "guys" probably will be let go. That's got to put a little snag in Dusty's and Hendry's relationship.