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The Bulls are said to be interested in working out a sign-and-trade deal for power forward Chris Wilcox.

The Jazz are also said to be in talks to send Carlos Boozer to the Sonics for Wilcox and center Robert Swift, alhtough that may be an unfounded rumor. Wilcox could end up back with the Sonics, but it's looking less likely with each day that goes by. Jul. 7 - 12:15 pm et

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The Bulls are said to be interested in working out a sign-and-trade deal for power forward Chris Wilcox.

The Jazz are also said to be in talks to send Carlos Boozer to the Sonics for Wilcox and center Robert Swift, alhtough that may be an unfounded rumor. Wilcox could end up back with the Sonics, but it's looking less likely with each day that goes by. Jul. 7 - 12:15 pm et

 

I likes. How about JR Smith and Sweetney for Wilcox?

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The Bulls are said to be interested in working out a sign-and-trade deal for power forward Chris Wilcox.

The Jazz are also said to be in talks to send Carlos Boozer to the Sonics for Wilcox and center Robert Swift, alhtough that may be an unfounded rumor. Wilcox could end up back with the Sonics, but it's looking less likely with each day that goes by. Jul. 7 - 12:15 pm et

 

I likes. How about JR Smith and Sweetney for Wilcox?

As long as the Bulls don't give Wilcox the 5-year, $50M deal he's reportedly seeking. Paxson's too savvy for that, though, so I'm not really worried about it.

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I don't know too much about Wilcox. Is he the kind of guy the Bulls should be spending money on? He did well during his stay with Seattle, but that was only a 29-game stretch. Any deal Wilcox gets will be inflated because of that. He is only 23, so are his stats with Seattle a glimpse of what he is capable of?
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Another source says the Bulls are going after Wilcox. Also says Othella has been waived.

 

http://www.insidehoops.com/harrington-waived-070706.shtml

 

InsideHoops.com Editor Says: The Bulls want Chris Wilcox. They also wouldn't mind Kevin Garnett. KG isn't likely right now, but Wilcox is possible, and Chicago's going for it. And even if they don't get any new players, Harrington's services were no longer needed. I think Othella can find a job with a new team, for a very cheap contract lasting at most a year or two.
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As Bill Simmons and many other NBA gurus

Bill Simmons is an NBA guru?

 

 

Nah. Bill Simmons isn't a guru of anything other than writing Boston-centric, poorly researched articles filled with boring pop culture references and analogies.

 

 

You are right about the third year thing though.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call Bill Simmons a guru but he is fairly knowledgeable when it comes to basketball.

 

And he hates what the Bulls are doing.

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Great move for Indiana but they're probably still the worst team in the Central (which says more about the Central than Indiana).

 

Sucks that the Bulls aren't in the Atlantic Division. But they'll still do well regardless. BOOOOO to steve smith!

 

I can see every team in the Central making the playoffs for several years in a row.

 

I could see 4 making it, but there is no way all 5 make the post season next year. All you need is a key injury to Indiana or Milwaukee and they'll miss the playoffs. Same goes for Cleveland if LeBron gets hurt and misses an extended period of time. Too many things have to go right for this to happen.

 

Didn't all 5 make it this year? Besides, I don't see any reason why Philly, Boston, NY, Toronto, Orlando, Charlotte, or Atlanta would be better than Indiana or Milwaukee. Of course, if there are injuries to key players, one of the 5 might not make it, but I'd say there's a better chance for it to happen than not happen.

 

Yes it did happen last year but the odds of it happening "several years in a row" are slim and none. It could happen next year but as I said, one key injury leads to a big time slide for Indiana/Milwaukee/Cleveland and they miss the playoffs.

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As Bill Simmons and many other NBA gurus

Bill Simmons is an NBA guru?

 

 

Nah. Bill Simmons isn't a guru of anything other than writing Boston-centric, poorly researched articles filled with boring pop culture references and analogies.

 

 

You are right about the third year thing though.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call Bill Simmons a guru but he is fairly knowledgeable when it comes to basketball.

 

And he hates what the Bulls are doing.

 

Probably b/c they aren't trying hard enough to reinvent the 86' Celtics.

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As Bill Simmons and many other NBA gurus

Bill Simmons is an NBA guru?

 

 

Nah. Bill Simmons isn't a guru of anything other than writing Boston-centric, poorly researched articles filled with boring pop culture references and analogies.

 

 

You are right about the third year thing though.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call Bill Simmons a guru but he is fairly knowledgeable when it comes to basketball.

 

And he hates what the Bulls are doing.

 

He makes an excellent point about Wallace peaking a couple years ago. Look at what he is known for: rebounding and defense (blocks). His rpg have decreased 3 straight years and his bpg have decreased 4 straight years. Ben Wallace is an upgrade over Chandler but it still amazes me that a guy that averages just over 7 ppg can get a contract worth 15 mil a year. And based on that he is right that the Bulls will essentially be playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end since Wallace can't score. If the other guys can make natural progressions and become better players then it won't hurt the Bulls as much. I don't completely agree with Simmons but I do see his point.

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I agree that Bill Simmons act is overdone and gotten tired (it goes without saying that the Boston-centric thing was tired the day after he got to ESPN), but his basketball articles are usually pretty insightful. I completely agree with him about Ben Wallace and this was sort of the idea that I was painfully unsuccessful at articulating about Wallace.

 

"That reminds me, am I the only one who thought Chicago wasted much of its cap space for two extra rebounds per game, a mild defensive upgrade and the ongoing comedy of a Buckwheat-caliber afro? Congratulations, you get to play four-on-five for the next four years in a league where every rule adjustment favors teams that can score. Why not just keep Chandler for two-thirds the price? Instead, they overpaid for Wallace and gave away Chandler for a washed-up P.J. Brown and a draft bust that New Orleans was trying to dump? I don't get it. This is like Paramount Pictures signing William H. Macy to a four-picture, $60 million deal -- sure, he's a great actor, but that doesn't mean you pay him like a superstar. They will eventually regret this one almost as much as Wallace probably regrets filming that T-Mobile commercial that made him seem whipped."
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Great move for Indiana but they're probably still the worst team in the Central (which says more about the Central than Indiana).

 

Sucks that the Bulls aren't in the Atlantic Division. But they'll still do well regardless. BOOOOO to steve smith!

 

I can see every team in the Central making the playoffs for several years in a row.

 

I could see 4 making it, but there is no way all 5 make the post season next year. All you need is a key injury to Indiana or Milwaukee and they'll miss the playoffs. Same goes for Cleveland if LeBron gets hurt and misses an extended period of time. Too many things have to go right for this to happen.

 

Didn't all 5 make it this year? Besides, I don't see any reason why Philly, Boston, NY, Toronto, Orlando, Charlotte, or Atlanta would be better than Indiana or Milwaukee. Of course, if there are injuries to key players, one of the 5 might not make it, but I'd say there's a better chance for it to happen than not happen.

 

Yes it did happen last year but the odds of it happening "several years in a row" are slim and none. It could happen next year but as I said, one key injury leads to a big time slide for Indiana/Milwaukee/Cleveland and they miss the playoffs.

 

Wouldn't Larry Hughes qualify as a key injury for the Cavs last year? I know you said losing Lebron would disqualify them from the playoffs, but that's the same for most teams--you lose your star player it's hard to overcome. But seeing as the Cavs lost their #2 guy for a significant portion of the season and still took the 4th seed, I think its safe to say they are a lock for the playoffs.

 

Looking at the conference right now, Miami, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and New Jersey are safe bets for the playoffs. 5 or 6 teams, including the Pacers and the Bucks will battle it out for the last three seeds. So to say the odds are slim for that to happen isn't exactly true, considering the Central contains 5 of the likely 10 teams with a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

 

Now, I will say that the Pacers probably have the worst shot out of the division after losing Peja, but reports are they are trying to sign Harrington, which would put them right back into the mix.

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Great move for Indiana but they're probably still the worst team in the Central (which says more about the Central than Indiana).

 

Sucks that the Bulls aren't in the Atlantic Division. But they'll still do well regardless. BOOOOO to steve smith!

 

I can see every team in the Central making the playoffs for several years in a row.

 

I could see 4 making it, but there is no way all 5 make the post season next year. All you need is a key injury to Indiana or Milwaukee and they'll miss the playoffs. Same goes for Cleveland if LeBron gets hurt and misses an extended period of time. Too many things have to go right for this to happen.

 

Didn't all 5 make it this year? Besides, I don't see any reason why Philly, Boston, NY, Toronto, Orlando, Charlotte, or Atlanta would be better than Indiana or Milwaukee. Of course, if there are injuries to key players, one of the 5 might not make it, but I'd say there's a better chance for it to happen than not happen.

 

Yes it did happen last year but the odds of it happening "several years in a row" are slim and none. It could happen next year but as I said, one key injury leads to a big time slide for Indiana/Milwaukee/Cleveland and they miss the playoffs.

 

Wouldn't Larry Hughes qualify as a key injury for the Cavs last year? I know you said losing Lebron would disqualify them from the playoffs, but that's the same for most teams--you lose your star player it's hard to overcome. But seeing as the Cavs lost their #2 guy for a significant portion of the season and still took the 4th seed, I think its safe to say they are a lock for the playoffs.

 

Looking at the conference right now, Miami, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and New Jersey are safe bets for the playoffs. 5 or 6 teams, including the Pacers and the Bucks will battle it out for the last three seeds. So to say the odds are slim for that to happen isn't exactly true, considering the Central contains 5 of the likely 10 teams with a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

 

Now, I will say that the Pacers probably have the worst shot out of the division after losing Peja, but reports are they are trying to sign Harrington, which would put them right back into the mix.

 

So you know which free agents are going where in the next couple years? I didn't think so. My point was that the chances of all five Central teams making it to the playoffs for several years in a row are slim and none. I agree that all five could make it next year, which I stated in my previous post. But you have no idea what the landscape of the NBA is going to look like for the 2007-2008 season so saying that it's a lock for all five Central teams to make it to the playoffs in that season is absolutely absurd.

 

Take the Magic with Dwight Howard. Darko improved significantly in the 30 games with the Magic. Who's to say he won't improve in the offseason and next year when he gets regular playing time. They also drafted J.J. Redick who I'm not that high on but is on the right team with a good post presence (which was the key for him). Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson are both decent players. With Steve Francis the Magic were 19-33. Without Steve Francis the Magic were 17-13. That bodes well for them and they were the team I was thinking of beating out one of the Central teams.

 

You don't know what trades are going to be made and where next years free agents are going to end up so the odds that all five Central teams are going to make the playoffs for the next several years are infinitely small.

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As Bill Simmons and many other NBA gurus

Bill Simmons is an NBA guru?

 

 

Nah. Bill Simmons isn't a guru of anything other than writing Boston-centric, poorly researched articles filled with boring pop culture references and analogies.

 

 

You are right about the third year thing though.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call Bill Simmons a guru but he is fairly knowledgeable when it comes to basketball.

 

And he hates what the Bulls are doing.

Hollinger loves what the Bulls are doing, and I much prefer his endorsement over Simmons. Hollinger uses metrics to form his opinions. I put more stock in Rob Neyer's opinions versus Joe Morgan's for similar reasons.

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Hollinger loves what the Bulls are doing, and I much prefer his endorsement over Simmons. Hollinger uses metrics to form his opinions.

 

Which one is Hollinger? I know the name, but can't picture him.

 

I'm not a fan of Simmons' football or baseball analysis. I can't stand on my own two feet when it comes to basketball talk, but I assume he leaves a lot to be desired there. I just thought it was interesting that somebody referenced Simmons and his "3rd year leap" theory when defending the Bulls moves, given that Simmons doesn't like the Bulls moves (not to mention, he seems to be echoing what I think might be a problem).

 

I just get the feeling a lot of people have gone overboard with Bulls elation due to a big drop in expectations. They made the playoffs in a league where it's hard not to make the playoffs. They are still just a .500 team, they replaced a young inconsistent player whose best strenghts were defense and rebounding with an older, declining players whose best strenghts are defense and rebounding, but they still lack a true game changer, which from what I can gather, is how you win in the NBA.

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Great move for Indiana but they're probably still the worst team in the Central (which says more about the Central than Indiana).

 

Sucks that the Bulls aren't in the Atlantic Division. But they'll still do well regardless. BOOOOO to steve smith!

 

I can see every team in the Central making the playoffs for several years in a row.

 

I could see 4 making it, but there is no way all 5 make the post season next year. All you need is a key injury to Indiana or Milwaukee and they'll miss the playoffs. Same goes for Cleveland if LeBron gets hurt and misses an extended period of time. Too many things have to go right for this to happen.

 

Didn't all 5 make it this year? Besides, I don't see any reason why Philly, Boston, NY, Toronto, Orlando, Charlotte, or Atlanta would be better than Indiana or Milwaukee. Of course, if there are injuries to key players, one of the 5 might not make it, but I'd say there's a better chance for it to happen than not happen.

 

Yes it did happen last year but the odds of it happening "several years in a row" are slim and none. It could happen next year but as I said, one key injury leads to a big time slide for Indiana/Milwaukee/Cleveland and they miss the playoffs.

 

Wouldn't Larry Hughes qualify as a key injury for the Cavs last year? I know you said losing Lebron would disqualify them from the playoffs, but that's the same for most teams--you lose your star player it's hard to overcome. But seeing as the Cavs lost their #2 guy for a significant portion of the season and still took the 4th seed, I think its safe to say they are a lock for the playoffs.

 

Looking at the conference right now, Miami, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and New Jersey are safe bets for the playoffs. 5 or 6 teams, including the Pacers and the Bucks will battle it out for the last three seeds. So to say the odds are slim for that to happen isn't exactly true, considering the Central contains 5 of the likely 10 teams with a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

 

Now, I will say that the Pacers probably have the worst shot out of the division after losing Peja, but reports are they are trying to sign Harrington, which would put them right back into the mix.

 

So you know which free agents are going where in the next couple years? I didn't think so. My point was that the chances of all five Central teams making it to the playoffs for several years in a row are slim and none. I agree that all five could make it next year, which I stated in my previous post. But you have no idea what the landscape of the NBA is going to look like for the 2007-2008 season so saying that it's a lock for all five Central teams to make it to the playoffs in that season is absolutely absurd.

 

Take the Magic with Dwight Howard. Darko improved significantly in the 30 games with the Magic. Who's to say he won't improve in the offseason and next year when he gets regular playing time. They also drafted J.J. Redick who I'm not that high on but is on the right team with a good post presence (which was the key for him). Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson are both decent players. With Steve Francis the Magic were 19-33. Without Steve Francis the Magic were 17-13. That bodes well for them and they were the team I was thinking of beating out one of the Central teams.

 

You don't know what trades are going to be made and where next years free agents are going to end up so the odds that all five Central teams are going to make the playoffs for the next several years are infinitely small.

 

Actually, in your first post, you stated "there is no way all 5 make the post season next year." My post simply pointed out that there is a very strong chance that it will happen. (Not that it will, as I only said the Central contains 5 of the top 10 teams.) I also never said I knew who was going where, just that the Pacers are going after Harrington, which is true, and that it will improve them, which is also true.

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Which one is Hollinger? I know the name, but can't picture him.

John Hollinger. He's one of the founding fathers of APBRmetrics -- basketball's answer to SABRmetrics. He's an Insider columnist. ESPN makes a number of his basketball metrics available to Insiders.

 

I just get the feeling a lot of people have gone overboard with Bulls elation due to a big drop in expectations. They made the playoffs in a league where it's hard not to make the playoffs. They are still just a .500 team, they replaced a young inconsistent player whose best strenghts were defense and rebounding with an older, declining players whose best strenghts are defense and rebounding, but they still lack a true game changer, which from what I can gather, is how you win in the NBA.

Do you have an Insider membership? Hollinger's latest article answers your comments so perfectly, it'd be a shame to have to summarize it.

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Great move for Indiana but they're probably still the worst team in the Central (which says more about the Central than Indiana).

 

Sucks that the Bulls aren't in the Atlantic Division. But they'll still do well regardless. BOOOOO to steve smith!

 

I can see every team in the Central making the playoffs for several years in a row.

 

I could see 4 making it, but there is no way all 5 make the post season next year. All you need is a key injury to Indiana or Milwaukee and they'll miss the playoffs. Same goes for Cleveland if LeBron gets hurt and misses an extended period of time. Too many things have to go right for this to happen.

 

Didn't all 5 make it this year? Besides, I don't see any reason why Philly, Boston, NY, Toronto, Orlando, Charlotte, or Atlanta would be better than Indiana or Milwaukee. Of course, if there are injuries to key players, one of the 5 might not make it, but I'd say there's a better chance for it to happen than not happen.

 

Yes it did happen last year but the odds of it happening "several years in a row" are slim and none. It could happen next year but as I said, one key injury leads to a big time slide for Indiana/Milwaukee/Cleveland and they miss the playoffs.

 

Wouldn't Larry Hughes qualify as a key injury for the Cavs last year? I know you said losing Lebron would disqualify them from the playoffs, but that's the same for most teams--you lose your star player it's hard to overcome. But seeing as the Cavs lost their #2 guy for a significant portion of the season and still took the 4th seed, I think its safe to say they are a lock for the playoffs.

 

Looking at the conference right now, Miami, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, and New Jersey are safe bets for the playoffs. 5 or 6 teams, including the Pacers and the Bucks will battle it out for the last three seeds. So to say the odds are slim for that to happen isn't exactly true, considering the Central contains 5 of the likely 10 teams with a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

 

Now, I will say that the Pacers probably have the worst shot out of the division after losing Peja, but reports are they are trying to sign Harrington, which would put them right back into the mix.

 

So you know which free agents are going where in the next couple years? I didn't think so. My point was that the chances of all five Central teams making it to the playoffs for several years in a row are slim and none. I agree that all five could make it next year, which I stated in my previous post. But you have no idea what the landscape of the NBA is going to look like for the 2007-2008 season so saying that it's a lock for all five Central teams to make it to the playoffs in that season is absolutely absurd.

 

Take the Magic with Dwight Howard. Darko improved significantly in the 30 games with the Magic. Who's to say he won't improve in the offseason and next year when he gets regular playing time. They also drafted J.J. Redick who I'm not that high on but is on the right team with a good post presence (which was the key for him). Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson are both decent players. With Steve Francis the Magic were 19-33. Without Steve Francis the Magic were 17-13. That bodes well for them and they were the team I was thinking of beating out one of the Central teams.

 

You don't know what trades are going to be made and where next years free agents are going to end up so the odds that all five Central teams are going to make the playoffs for the next several years are infinitely small.

 

Actually, in your first post, you stated "there is no way all 5 make the post season next year." My post simply pointed out that there is a very strong chance that it will happen. (Not that it will, as I only said the Central contains 5 of the top 10 teams.) I also never said I knew who was going where, just that the Pacers are going after Harrington, which is true, and that it will improve them, which is also true.

 

Guilty, forgot about that. For the rest of it, fair enough.

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I'm not a fan of Simmons' football or baseball analysis. I can't stand on my own two feet when it comes to basketball talk, but I assume he leaves a lot to be desired there. I just thought it was interesting that somebody referenced Simmons and his "3rd year leap" theory when defending the Bulls moves, given that Simmons doesn't like the Bulls moves (not to mention, he seems to be echoing what I think might be a problem).

 

I'm not sure if this is me you are referring to but I talked about the Bulls players making natural progressions because they are young and not the 3rd year leap theory. I was referring to Nocioni who only averaged 13 ppg in the regular season but averaged 22.3 in the playoffs. He might drop a bit but he should still average close to 20 ppg starting every single game. The Bulls do have a young team that is likely to improve again next year as they did this year.

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Which one is Hollinger? I know the name, but can't picture him.

John Hollinger. He's one of the founding fathers of APBRmetrics -- basketball's answer to SABRmetrics. He's an Insider columnist. ESPN makes a number of his basketball metrics available to Insiders.

 

I just get the feeling a lot of people have gone overboard with Bulls elation due to a big drop in expectations. They made the playoffs in a league where it's hard not to make the playoffs. They are still just a .500 team, they replaced a young inconsistent player whose best strenghts were defense and rebounding with an older, declining players whose best strenghts are defense and rebounding, but they still lack a true game changer, which from what I can gather, is how you win in the NBA.

Do you have an Insider membership? Hollinger's latest article answers your comments so perfectly, it'd be a shame to have to summarize it.

 

I do not have an insider subscription. What makes him say that the Bulls are runaway winners so far this offseason?

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1908, I'd love to hear a summary of that article. How are the numbers going to save the Bulls from .500-dom?
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Which one is Hollinger? I know the name, but can't picture him.

John Hollinger. He's one of the founding fathers of APBRmetrics -- basketball's answer to SABRmetrics. He's an Insider columnist. ESPN makes a number of his basketball metrics available to Insiders.

 

I just get the feeling a lot of people have gone overboard with Bulls elation due to a big drop in expectations. They made the playoffs in a league where it's hard not to make the playoffs. They are still just a .500 team, they replaced a young inconsistent player whose best strenghts were defense and rebounding with an older, declining players whose best strenghts are defense and rebounding, but they still lack a true game changer, which from what I can gather, is how you win in the NBA.

Do you have an Insider membership? Hollinger's latest article answers your comments so perfectly, it'd be a shame to have to summarize it.

 

I should have insider, since I subscribe to that crap magazine, but I've never signed up.

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Which one is Hollinger? I know the name, but can't picture him.

John Hollinger. He's one of the founding fathers of APBRmetrics -- basketball's answer to SABRmetrics. He's an Insider columnist. ESPN makes a number of his basketball metrics available to Insiders.

 

I just get the feeling a lot of people have gone overboard with Bulls elation due to a big drop in expectations. They made the playoffs in a league where it's hard not to make the playoffs. They are still just a .500 team, they replaced a young inconsistent player whose best strenghts were defense and rebounding with an older, declining players whose best strenghts are defense and rebounding, but they still lack a true game changer, which from what I can gather, is how you win in the NBA.

Do you have an Insider membership? Hollinger's latest article answers your comments so perfectly, it'd be a shame to have to summarize it.

 

I should have insider, since I subscribe to that crap magazine, but I've never signed up.

 

You get Insider if you subscribe to ESPN the magazine?

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I do not have an insider subscription. What makes him say that the Bulls are runaway winners so far this offseason?
1908, I'd love to hear a summary of that article. How are the numbers going to save the Bulls from .500-dom?

*The Bulls, "won 41 games in 2005-06 and took Miami to six games in the first round with a front court in which Malik Allen, Mike Sweetney, Darius Songaila and Othella Harrington played major roles."

 

*Wallace is a huge improvement on the front line and they didn't overpay severely to get him. His contract is a good deal compared to contracts signed by other centers over the past three year.

 

*20 of the last 34 free agent signing have turned out terribly for the team. The 4-year deal drastically reduces Bulls' risk.

 

*Wallace is a perfect fit. The Bulls are hardcore about defense. Wallace, "will take over the role previously filled by Chandler, only he'll do it much, much more effectively." The Bulls offensive system should also provide Wallace with, "more transition baskets than he got in Detroit's plodding system."

 

*Chandler trade is a big win for Bulls on three levels: They get big 2-guard back with big-time scoring potential; frees up salary to sign core players and add additional talent next offseason; and it positions the Bulls to be major player for Garnett if/when he hits the market.

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I should have insider, since I subscribe to that crap magazine, but I've never signed up.

You get Insider if you subscribe to ESPN the magazine?

Yep, you get Insider access if you subscribe. You also get a subscription if you pay for Insider access.

 

The NBA draft and Hollinger info alone make it worthwhile for me. But I enjoy the NFL draft coverage and the more sabermetrically inclined baseball columnists too.

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I should have insider, since I subscribe to that crap magazine, but I've never signed up.

You get Insider if you subscribe to ESPN the magazine?

Yep, you get Insider access if you subscribe. You also get a subscription if you pay for Insider access.

 

The NBA draft and Hollinger info alone make it worthwhile for me. But I enjoy the NFL draft coverage and the more sabermetrically inclined baseball columnists too.

 

Sweet. Thanks for the info. I'm going to sign up right now. Thank you ESPN the Magazine subscription.

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