Who is rooting against the Cubs?

[frostwyrm]

Hoping for losses in the current season is not being "against" the Cubs. At this point any positives brought by more winning in 2006 are far outweighed by the negatives. We'll all be a lot happier in 2007 if the losing continues in 2006.

[J.R.]

We'll all be a lot happier in 2007 if the losing continues in 2006.

[Bruno7481]

Hmm, I root for them at all times as well.

 

I can kind of see what some of you are saying, but honestly it kind of comes off a bit like a fairweather fan. Saying that you aren't watching the games and just don't care comes off that way, not singling anyone out. I understand the frustration, being a Cubs fan can do those kinds of things to you. But getting through the rough times like this will make winning (whenever it freakin happens) all the more sweeter.

 

I still watch the games when I can and will continue to do so. But I can't bring myself to actively root against them.

 

Count me in the foolishly optimistic category.

[J.R.]

The fairweather fan wouldn't bother to root either way. He wouldn't watch the games, and he certainly wouldn't hang around here in any capacity.

[frostwyrm]

You can look at it this way -- if you are a fan of the 2007 Cubs, then you will want the 2006 Cubs to lose. The 2006 team is a lost cause anyway.

[Bruno7481]

The fairweather fan wouldn't bother to root either way. He wouldn't watch the games, and he certainly wouldn't hang around here in any capacity.

 

All i'm saying is that it can come off that way. The "i'm not watching until theyre good" attitude is what I'm talking about.

 

I'm NOT calling anyone that, how could I? I don't know anyone on here. Please don't take it that way.

 

I'm just there through the good and bad, maybe I just like a trainwreck.

[soapy]

You can look at it this way -- if you are a fan of the 2007 Cubs, then you will want the 2006 Cubs to lose. The 2006 team is a lost cause anyway.

I understand the reasoning, but I just can't bring myself to root against them once a game starts.

[J.R.]

I'm just there through the good and bad, maybe I just like a trainwreck.

 

That nicely sums up the Cub life.

[KaiserCesar]

You can look at it this way -- if you are a fan of the 2007 Cubs, then you will want the 2006 Cubs to lose. The 2006 team is a lost cause anyway.

I understand the reasoning, but I just can't bring myself to root against them once a game starts.

 

I'm exactly the same way. If I watch the game, I end up getting really mad at certain plays/players, but I root for the team to do well and win. If I don't watch the game like it is now 90% of the time, and I hear that they lost, I just say to myself "haha, figures, hopefully Baker is gone"

 

I don't understand how people like my friend can stand it. He adopted the Royals maybe 2-3 years ago and religiously watches every game on gameday.

[Sammy Sofa]

I watch the games when I can, I root for certain players, and at the end of the day, I love seeing this team win uber alles. That said, it's gotten SO bad that when they lose, I've definitely shifted fully into the acceptance mode of the grieving process. It ain't no thang when they tank because it happens so often...so I'm spinning positive and hoping that these losses bring some changes. I'm not rooting against them...but the losing doesn't bother me anymore, and actually has me hoping for the future. If that makes any sense.

[goonys evil twin]

Hmm, I root for them at all times as well.

 

I can kind of see what some of you are saying, but honestly it kind of comes off a bit like a fairweather fan. Saying that you aren't watching the games and just don't care comes off that way, not singling anyone out. I understand the frustration, being a Cubs fan can do those kinds of things to you. But getting through the rough times like this will make winning (whenever it freakin happens) all the more sweeter.

 

I still watch the games when I can and will continue to do so. But I can't bring myself to actively root against them.

 

Count me in the foolishly optimistic category.

 

All we've had is bad. How you can accuse anybody of being a fairweather fan, no matter how you couch those accusations, is beyond me.

 

I am one that spoke about not watching much and not caring, so you are claiming that I am a fairweather fan. I'm just sick of the ineptness. I don't have to watch every game and cheer loudly to prove my fandom.

[Bruno7481]

Hmm, I root for them at all times as well.

 

I can kind of see what some of you are saying, but honestly it kind of comes off a bit like a fairweather fan. Saying that you aren't watching the games and just don't care comes off that way, not singling anyone out. I understand the frustration, being a Cubs fan can do those kinds of things to you. But getting through the rough times like this will make winning (whenever it freakin happens) all the more sweeter.

 

I still watch the games when I can and will continue to do so. But I can't bring myself to actively root against them.

 

Count me in the foolishly optimistic category.

 

All we've had is bad. How you can accuse anybody of being a fairweather fan, no matter how you couch those accusations, is beyond me.

 

I am one that spoke about not watching much and not caring, so you are claiming that I am a fairweather fan. I'm just sick of the ineptness. I don't have to watch every game and cheer loudly to prove my fandom.

 

I'm not calling you, or anyone else a fairweather fan. I even said I understand the sentiment most are expressing. Read my 2nd post in the thread where I covered this already.

 

A fairweather fan is one that only "cares" about the team when they are winning. Obviously if some are rooting for the team to lose they couldn't qualify as a fairweather fan because, in their mind, they are hoping it brings about a change for the good. To the casual observer the two could be confused, that is all.

[moorecg]

Oh, and as for me, I cant cheer against the cubs either. I cant even watch them. I havent watched a full game...wow, Since april. And I havent watched more than an inning in a month or so either. I cant even pretend to care anymore.

 

I have to agree with Roast here. This season pains me in several ways...first, I hate to see the Cubs lose, second... I bought MLB EI for the first time...great investment there...Third...We're still 2-3 weeks away from the ASB and our season has been over for MONTHS...I LOVE baseball and more than anything, I'm mad at Dusty for taking away any enjoyment for an entire year of watching this game (and this team) that I so dearly love.

[Bruno7481]

Oh, and as for me, I cant cheer against the cubs either. I cant even watch them. I havent watched a full game...wow, Since april. And I havent watched more than an inning in a month or so either. I cant even pretend to care anymore.

 

I have to agree with Roast here. This season pains me in several ways...first, I hate to see the Cubs lose, second... I bought MLB EI for the first time...great investment there...Third...We're still 2-3 weeks away from the ASB and our season has been over for MONTHS...I LOVE baseball and more than anything, I'm mad at Dusty for taking away any enjoyment for an entire year of watching this game (and this team) that I so dearly love.

 

The problem lies deeper than Dusty. I hope, when they day comes that he either is fired or resigns, that everyone doesn't assume the problem is solved.

[cheapseats]

I went to 40 games last year.

 

This year, I had bleacher tickets for opening day, every game of the White Sox series, and every game against the Cardinals in July and August.

 

When it became clear that Hendry was going to start this season with such a pathetic roster, I began selling all my tickets, and I haven't gone to a single game.

 

I root for the Cubs to lose, no matter who the opponent is. I will root for the White Sox this weekend, and I will root for the Cardinals in July and August.

 

I cheer for most Cubs players (hint: not Neifi or Glendon), but I can't see myself supporting the team itself until some major changes take place - and I don't mean just firing Dusty.

 

This team is so poorly constructed that, even if the team is improved in the offseason, the only way the Cubs can hope to contend in 2007 is to rely on the other NL Central teams getting worse.

[moorecg]

This team is so poorly constructed that, even if the team is improved in the offseason, the only way the Cubs can hope to contend in 2007 is to rely on the other NL Central teams getting worse.

 

This is what really pains me. 3 years ago I thought we had a shot at being really good for quite a while..now I don't see how we can even be above average for another 2 seasons...and by then, Lee will be getting older, Barrett may be gone...Murton and Cedeno give me hope, but The current establishment seems to be doing everything they can to screw up Murton...if he continues on his current path we've got 3 holes in the OF next year, a hole at 2nd, and holes in the 3-5 spots in our rotation. Grand.

[Soul]

I don't call this "rooting against the team" though.

 

Realizing changes need to be made and hoping they happen is really just looking out for the best interests of the team. Too bad Hendry and MacFailure can't see it, but that doesn't mean the fans should blindly root for a .500 ballclub and a Dusty extension that would most certainly only extend the misery of the fans.

 

 

Rooting for the Cubs to lose right now is, in a very tangible way, rooting for the club to ultimately win.

[YearofDaCubs]

I seriously am rooting against this team because hopefully that is the only way Hendry will get it through his fat skull to finally make the appropriate changes. He is a problem in it of itself as well though. No more loveable losers, it's time for us to finally start winning games, making the playoffs in consecutive years and hopefully win one. As it stands right now, there is no way that will happen with this team.

[CubinNY]

Rooting for the Cubs to lose right now is, in a very tangible way, rooting for the club to ultimately win.

 

No, it's not. And it's not even close.

 

It's just shortsided stupidity.

 

Rooting or not rooting for the Cubs has no bearing on what they will do now or in the future.

[Jon]

I have no desire to watch Hendry and Baker continue to hurt the team's future and hope they finish dead last in the NL this season (while individual players do well, of course).

[gflore34]

I'm not rooting for the Cubs to lose but, I'm for whatever it takes to facilitate change. Beginning with the removal of the Idiot's Idiot Dusty Baker, if losing a few more series is necessary for this to happen, so be it.

 

However, I'm concerned about what's going to happen after Baker, can Hendry be trusted to make the correct choices or hirings?

[cheapseats]

Rooting for the Cubs to lose right now is, in a very tangible way, rooting for the club to ultimately win.

 

No, it's not. And it's not even close.

 

It's just shortsided stupidity.

 

Rooting or not rooting for the Cubs has no bearing on what they will do now or in the future.

 

While I understand your point about how rooting for or against the Cubs doesn't affect their performance one way or the other, I do not understand why you state that rooting for them to lose right now is "shortsided [sic] stupidity."

 

In other words, if:

 

a) rooting for or against doesn't make a difference and

b) rooting for the team to lose is shortsighted and stupid

 

then

 

c) rooting for the team to win would also be shortsighted and stupid

 

I don't think Soul was arguing that his rooting against the team has tangible short-term benefits. I believe he was simply stating that the continued losing will have tangible long-term benefits.

[goonys evil twin]

Rooting for the Cubs to lose right now is, in a very tangible way, rooting for the club to ultimately win.

 

No, it's not. And it's not even close.

 

It's just shortsided stupidity.

 

Rooting or not rooting for the Cubs has no bearing on what they will do now or in the future.

 

While I understand your point about how rooting for or against the Cubs doesn't affect their performance one way or the other, I do not understand why you state that rooting for them to lose right now is "shortsided [sic] stupidity."

 

In other words, if:

 

a) rooting for or against doesn't make a difference and

b) rooting for the team to lose is shortsighted and stupid

 

then

 

c) rooting for the team to win would also be shortsighted and stupid

 

I don't think Soul was arguing that his rooting against the team has tangible short-term benefits. I believe he was simply stating that the continued losing will have tangible long-term benefits.

 

Yeah, what's up with that CubinNY?

[thedaymen]

Its weird...I say I'm rooting against the Cubs, but when I got the game on and they score, or I hear a score on the radio, the reaction is always YES!

 

And when they screw up, its always a Santoesque "Oh NO!"

[goonys evil twin]

Its weird...I say I'm rooting against the Cubs, but when I got the game on and they score, or I hear a score on the radio, the reaction is always YES!

 

So in other words, you never say YES.