Prior had a tear?

[srbin84]

A writer that was at his rehab start said after the game, Prior said his injury "was a tear. Let's not fool anybody." That's very interesting.

[otis89]

Link?

[sunnydoo]

A tear in his beer?

[Laura]

This was discussed here a bit in March in the Prior delayed again thread (non-premium link).

 

People including Hendry have referred to his injury as a "tear" (or "tearage," I think, to be precise).

[srbin84]

Link?

 

I can't link to the radio, but if I said it was said, you can trust it was said.

[Monco]

Link?

 

I can't link to the radio, but if I said it was said, you can trust it was said.

I trust you. ( I heard it too though).

[Sosa21MVP]

A Cubs fan on another forum I frequest also heard the quote by Prior that he has a tear. No link though.

[Sammy Sofa]

I remember hearing that he technically had a tear waaaaaay back when this mess all started, but pretty much any kind of strain along the lines of what he had is always technically a "tear"...the difference is the severity of it. Apparently that muscle(s) always tears when strained or injured. The difference is whether it's minor or not, and the Cubs claim his is minor enough to not require surgery.

[Jon]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

[brinoch]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

[srbin84]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

[Yeti]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

several months, judging by the date on that article

[srbin84]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

several months, judging by the date on that article

 

Well, Hamels is also injury prone and young, and he just went on the DL with a shoulder strain, so let's see how long he takes. Miller and Wood both had shoulder surgery and could beat Prior back. We'll just have to keep watching and see what happens.

[Joe_Cub]

I remember hearing that he technically had a tear waaaaaay back when this mess all started, but pretty much any kind of strain along the lines of what he had is always technically a "tear"...the difference is the severity of it. Apparently that muscle(s) always tears when strained or injured. The difference is whether it's minor or not, and the Cubs claim his is minor enough to not require surgery.

 

Did you even read the link to 1060 West in the other thread? It was written on March 19 and he pretty much predicted the outcome from the diagnosis. Don't just dismiss this as "every muscle strain is a torn muscle."

 

While the cubs are talking about 7-10 days of missed time and a resumption of throwing from a lower level afterward -- which would probably mean a may return, with no timetable yet set -- this writer (while not being a doctor, of course) finds that to be a very optimistic prognosis. as was pointed out by commenter maddog, a harder-to-locate version of this injury cost jose contreras half of 2003.

 

this damage hasn't healed in the intervening five months; indeed, it would seem that his subscapularis tear is probably a feature of a larger degenerative problem in his rotator cuff resulting from overuse. it seems rash to hope that this can now rectify itself in the next ten days.

 

taken in this context, and knowing that the cubs are reflexively putting the best possible face on the diagnosis and prognosis, it would be reasonable to expect that this team will be without prior until june is within a stone's throw, if that soon. if he resumes throwing in early april, expect setbacks.

 

with this rotation, this page submits that the 2006 cubs may well be too deep a hole by june 1 for whatever comes after to matter. the games played in april matter every bit as much -- and usually more -- than the ones played in september.

 

Hilarious that I got lectured by some here a few months ago for pointing out that Prior kept getting delayed and then mentioning that the diagnosis meant he had a torn muscle. I guess it's easier to believe everything the trib says. Good news, everybody, no surgery required! Party time!

 

 

Just call me a paranoid Cubs fan, LOL.

[Yeti]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

several months, judging by the date on that article

 

Well, Hamels is also injury prone and young, and he just went on the DL with a shoulder strain, so let's see how long he takes. Miller and Wood both had shoulder surgery and could beat Prior back. We'll just have to keep watching and see what happens.

theres only 2 things to do with this cobs team at this point, laugh at the futility and watch management make it worse

[srbin84]

Hamels, 22, who has had a rash of injuries in his career, will be treated with anti-inflammatories and an exercise program.

 

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/baseball/14660146.htm?source=rss&channel=philly_baseball

[Sammy Sofa]

Did you even read the link to 1060 West in the other thread? It was written on March 19 and he pretty much predicted the outcome from the diagnosis. Don't just dismiss this as "every muscle strain is a torn muscle."

 

I'm just repeating what I thought I heard. Pardon me if I don't remember every different article/post/discussion/rant about this issue off the top of my head. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not "dismissing" anything.

[srbin84]

If you heard it, it seemed like Prior was trying to say the injury was more serious than everybody thinks. He was talking about how he knows his body the best and knows what is wrong when something happens. He wasn't just trying to give an alternate definition of a strain.

[Sammy Sofa]

Works for me. My medical knowledge is next to nil. I just want whatever needs to be done to be done to get him ship-shape for 2007.

[Abe Frohman]

I think the medical term for such a "tear" is an episiotomy. Actually, it isn't technically a tear, but a cut to prevent a tear.

 

Please don't take me seriously...

[badger1679666666]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

several months, judging by the date on that article

 

Well, Hamels is also injury prone and young, and he just went on the DL with a shoulder strain, so let's see how long he takes. Miller and Wood both had shoulder surgery and could beat Prior back. We'll just have to keep watching and see what happens.

 

Um, last time I checked, Wood has pitched 3 games and already HAS beaten Prior back.

[Wilson A2000]

Why then when Rothschild was on the Score a few days ago did he say there was nothing physically wrong wiht Prior? Why didn't Prior tell the media there was a tear? Did the Cubs tell him not to tell the truth or did they warn him not to say anything?

[srbin84]

Yeah, there's tearing involved in a moderate strain. But the difference is that it's not fully "torn."

 

Indeed. And, furthermore, you sprain a ligament and strain a muscle. Either a strain or a sprain involves tearing of the muscle or ligament involved. Sprain your ankle? You likely have a tear, perhaps even a complete one, in your anterior talofibular ligament. And in six weeks, you'll be running.

 

How long does it take to recover from a shoulder strain/tear?

several months, judging by the date on that article

 

Well, Hamels is also injury prone and young, and he just went on the DL with a shoulder strain, so let's see how long he takes. Miller and Wood both had shoulder surgery and could beat Prior back. We'll just have to keep watching and see what happens.

 

Um, last time I checked, Wood has pitched 3 games and already HAS beaten Prior back.

 

I was talking about both of them accomplishing it.

[srbin84]

Why then when Rothschild was on the Score a few days ago did he say there was nothing physically wrong wiht Prior? Why didn't Prior tell the media there was a tear? Did the Cubs tell him not to tell the truth or did they warn him not to say anything?

 

It seemed like he had given himself a different diagnosis than the Cubs doctor.

[srbin84]

Here's part of an article that talks about what was said on the radio yesterday:

 

Mark Prior's Memorial Day rehabilitation start for the Peoria Chiefs was not memorable, but something he said afterward was.

 

In a story in Tuesday's Moline (Ill.) Dispatch, Prior was quoted in the postgame press conference as saying the injury "was a tear." The Tribune, the Sun-Times and the Associated Press did not quote Prior as saying that.

 

 

Because in March the Cubs had said results from Prior's MRI showed a moderate shoulder strain but no tearing, the ongoing criticism of the team underselling injuries erupted Thursday after someone flagged WSCR-AM 670 to the story.

 

The station invited the writer, Jeff Wendland, on the air. Wendland said that after Prior disclosed the tear, the Cubs' pitcher said something to the effect of let's not kid anyone. That started more howling until the writer added that Prior also said that a strain was a tear

 

Indeed a strain is an injury to either a muscle or a tendon, that depending on the severity of the injury, may be a simple overstretch of the muscle or tendon, or it can result in a partial or complete tear.

 

Here's a transcript of the "tear" exchange. Roll tape:

 

Reporter: "Is this process frustrating to you, especially since there is really no tear or anything, just sore …"

 

Prior: "There was a tear. Let's not belittle it. There was a strain. The thing was, there was a strain and a strain is a tear in the muscle. More frustrating than anything is not kind of knowing when you did it. It showed up almost two or three days later, I guess, after the day I did it in that game down in Mesa (Ariz.).

 

"I've never dealt with a shoulder problem other than when I ran into [Atlanta's Marcus] Giles a few years ago and that was more of a contusion. Talking to guys, talking to Woody (Kerry Wood), talking to guys who have gone through it, they just said there are a lot of mechanics in your shoulder, a lot of things that need to be addressed. It's definitely something different that I have never dealt with.

 

"I think I'll come along. I'm coming good. You can only do so much. I've been doing everything I possibly can every day. I just have to let nature take its course, I guess."

 

It excludes some of the early stuff he said like he knows his body better than anybody....but it's something. It seems like they are trying to make it look like less of a story than it is.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060601prior,1,410674.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines