Steve Stone for GM

[Pinktermite]

And Bob Brenly for field manager. Listening to Brenly talk about how these guys swing at the first pitch, and how Stoney would construct a team, I think we couldn't do any worse, and maybe we'd do better. Whaddyathink?

[USSoccer]

Steve Stone would be a terrible, terrible GM. Just awful.

 

Brenly isn't great either. I'd prefer a non recycled manager.

[rocket]

NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

[beer man]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Please, post more of this..

[hawkcub]

Here is why Stone would be a poor GM. His personality rubs many people the wrong way. At best he's an opportunist at worst he's a back staber. When you are the GM, 2 of your most important functions are signing free agents and making trades. I feel his personality would hurt him in both aspect.

 

1. When you trade players, if the other team feels you are trying to rip them off they are not likely to work with you.

2. If a free agent feels like the first slump that he goes through means he is going to be shipped out he will not sign with that team. Any quality Free Agent would not sign with the Cubs.

 

Really don't care either way about Bob Brenly.

[Sammy Sofa]

This thread is the worst thing since sliced Hitler.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And Bob Brenly for field manager. Listening to Brenly talk about how these guys swing at the first pitch, and how Stoney would construct a team, I think we couldn't do any worse, and maybe we'd do better. Whaddyathink?

 

OH God, NO!

[JC]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

[soccer10k]

I know it's not saying much, Brenly couldn't do any worse than Dusty.

 

As for Stone, Billy Beane gives other GM's the impression he's ripping them off and yet GM's still trade with him. I'm not saying he would be a good GM, but that reason isn't correct.

[Omar]

No... Steve Stone as manager and Brenly as bat boy.

[USSoccer]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

 

JC, you think that Stone would be an effective GM?

[oldstyle81]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

 

JC, you think that Stone would be an effective GM?

 

You have any proof saying he wouldnt?

[David]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

 

JC, you think that Stone would be an effective GM?

 

You have any proof saying he wouldnt?

 

He seems to hold the same old conventional wisdom BS beliefs (offensively, especially) that hold back all the old schoolers in this game.

 

Forgive me if this stuff doesn't make sense. I've already started pregaming my Saturdsay night.

[Pinktermite]

I knew this might spark a debate. If you look beyond the fact that nobody on the CUBS like Stoney, then maybe you could see that the man knows a lot more about baseball than Jim Hendry ever will. And Brenly did take a team to the world series for a win. It might not be your favorite alternative, but I for one listen to Stoney whenever I can and the man knows something about the game and understands the importance of the walk and the OBP. So does Brenly. It won't happen, I'm not kidding myself, but to say that either one of these men are idiots is simply a stupid comment to make.

[Soul]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

[oldstyle81]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

 

the cubs have been building for the future for 98 years, its time to win right now

[Soul]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

 

the cubs have been building for the future for 98 years, its time to win right now

 

I hear you. I wish it were possible, but Hendry and Baker have sent this team into such a tailspin we are now miles away from contention.

 

There's always Murphy's. And HiTops. And the CubbieBear. Enjoy Wrigleyville, because the "L" flag will be flying often for the forseeable future.

[XZero771679666304]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

 

the cubs have been building for the future for 98 years, its time to win right now

 

I hear you. I wish it were possible, but Hendry and Baker have sent this team into such a tailspin we are now miles away from contention.

 

There's always Murphy's. And HiTops. And the CubbieBear. Enjoy Wrigleyville, because the "L" flag will be flying often for the forseeable future.

 

I don't agree entirely. With a core of Lee, Ramirez, Prior, Zambrano, Barrett and Dempster, a smart GM with a 100 million dollar payroll could turn this mess into a serious contender in short order.

 

It's the philosophy that is the problem here.

[JC]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

 

JC, you think that Stone would be an effective GM?

 

First, I was just pointing out that neither are idiots. I don't care for Brenly as a broadcaster, and would be horrified if he were to become manager of the Cubs. Despite my criticisms of him, he's no idiot. My thoughts on Stone are well documented.

 

To answer your question, I wouldn't be opposed to giving Stone a shot.

 

Stone has been remarkably on point with respect to talent evaluation, IMO. Furthermore, he seems adept at identifying club needs. I don't think he is as old school as has been asserted. At the very least, Stone appears to be open minded to me, such that at least there is a glimmer of hope he'd be more accepting of statistical analysis with the construction of a club.

 

If I had my druthers, I'd just as soon have Stone return to the booth where he is eminently talented and qualified. I would also like to see him as a part of an ownership group before taking over a GM position.

[RynoRules]

I am curious: can anyone just respond to stuff they disagree with without referring to the arguments as "idiotic" and then mocking the person who posted it by saying stuff like "This thread is great. Keep posting stuff like this."

 

I know that we are all exasperated by how bad they are playing, but seriously.

[Fro]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

 

the cubs have been building for the future for 98 years, its time to win right now

 

I hear you. I wish it were possible, but Hendry and Baker have sent this team into such a tailspin we are now miles away from contention.

 

There's always Murphy's. And HiTops. And the CubbieBear. Enjoy Wrigleyville, because the "L" flag will be flying often for the forseeable future.

 

The $27 million in payroll of Pierre, Maddux, and Wood alone going off the books is plenty of money to fix the team. Pie and Marshall are cheap candidates to replace Pierre and Maddux. Even if we resign Wood, surely he gets a pay cut or an incentive based contract for being hurt so much.

 

Everyone who costs money on the bench except Nefi could be gone too (Blanco, Mabry, Hairston), so that could be fixed. Dusty is making over $4 million this year and some of that could go to player payroll.

Edited May 21, 2006 by Fro

[USSoccer]

What a brilliant post - let's hire two more idiots to replace the garbage we have here!

 

Ridiculous. Neither Stone nor Brenly are idiots.

 

JC, you think that Stone would be an effective GM?

 

First, I was just pointing out that neither are idiots. I don't care for Brenly as a broadcaster, and would be horrified if he were to become manager of the Cubs. Despite my criticisms of him, he's no idiot. My thoughts on Stone are well documented.

 

To answer your question, I wouldn't be opposed to giving Stone a shot.

 

Stone has been remarkably on point with respect to talent evaluation, IMO. Furthermore, he seems adept at identifying club needs. I don't think he is as old school as has been asserted. At the very least, Stone appears to be open minded to me, such that at least there is a glimmer of hope he'd be more accepting of statistical analysis with the construction of a club.

 

If I had my druthers, I'd just as soon have Stone return to the booth where he is eminently talented and qualified. I would also like to see him as a part of an ownership group before taking over a GM position.

 

That's kind of what I figured you were saying, though I wasn't sure.

 

For my part, I'd not want Stone near a position to dictate the roster. I wouldn't mind him in the booth, nor would I mind him being part of an ownership group. GM is a little much. I hated his trade idea with Aramis and Manny Ramirez last season, and I think he takes things way to personally tobe an effective GM. But that's just me.

 

Brenly I'd want no part of as manager.

[Fro]

Just for an idea of what you could throw together:

 

Hypothetical 2007 Roster:

 

C Barrett ($4.6 million)

1B Lee ($13 million)

2B Walker $3 million

SS Cedeno (cheap)

3B ARam ($11 million)

LF Abreu $15 million or decently studly FA OF at $9/10 million

CF Pie (cheap)

RF Jones($4 million)/Craig Wilson 2 headed monster

 

Bench:

 

1B/Corner OF/Emergency Catcher C. Wilson ($4 million) (righty power bat)

1B/Corner OF Matt Stairs $1.5 million (lefty power bat)

Richard Lewis SS/2B (cheap)

3B/SS/2B Perez ($2.5 million)

OF Pagan (cheap)

Catcher Soto (cheap)

 

 

Bullpen:

Dempster ($5 million)

Howry ($4 million)

Eyre ($3.5 million)

Rusch ($2.5 million)

Ryu or Ohman (cheap)

Novoa (cheap)

 

Rotation:

 

Z ($6.5 million + salary bump?)

Prior ($4 million + salary bump?)

Marshall (cheap)

Wood/Stud FA ($8-10 million)

Farm Kid (cheap) or decent starter at $5-7 million

 

Payroll between $92-105 million depending on what you spend on LF/5th starter.

[Soul]

Stone and Brenly might not be the best choices, but they would certainly be better than what we've got right now.

 

the cubs have been building for the future for 98 years, its time to win right now

 

I hear you. I wish it were possible, but Hendry and Baker have sent this team into such a tailspin we are now miles away from contention.

 

There's always Murphy's. And HiTops. And the CubbieBear. Enjoy Wrigleyville, because the "L" flag will be flying often for the forseeable future.

 

The $27 million in payroll of Pierre, Maddux, and Wood alone going off the books is plenty of money to fix the team. Pie and Marshall are cheap candidates to replace Pierre and Maddux. Even if we resign Wood, surely he gets a pay cut or an incentive based contract for being hurt so much.

 

Everyone who costs money on the bench except Nefi could be gone too (Blanco, Mabry, Hairston), so that could be fixed. Dusty is making over $4 million this year and some of that could go to player payroll.

 

I'm not convinced Dusty is gone. It's terrible to think, but I get the feeling Hendry is going to try to extend him. To do anything else is to admit his plan isn't working----and Hendry will be loathe to do that. Especially considering, in the middle of watching an entire season go into the tank, he's bitching about the PRESS criticizing his ballclub. The guy has no clue---his "plan" is a failure.

 

Dusty will be back, and so will alot of these clowns. That's the feeling I get.