did anyone notice?

[neely crenshaw]

hate to throw salt in hendry's wounds but now that corey is getting regular time in baltimore did anyone notice that his stats basically equal jones' stats? he is hitting a bit lower (274-250) but has only 1 fewer walk and fewer k's. he also has 10 steals, power stats are basically the same.

did i mention he is much younger and is paid half of what jones is?

[E.J.]

Corey is a CF not a corner outfielder. What you should really do is compare his stats to Pierre's. That will really make you want to cry.

[Mizzou]

That's great, but Corey repeatedly sucked badly here. How much more time were you willing to give him? I'm glad he's doing well, but I was also more glad to see him finally shipped out of Chicago.

[Caryatid]

That's great, but Corey repeatedly sucked badly here. How much more time were you willing to give him? I'm glad he's doing well, but I was also more glad to see him finally shipped out of Chicago.

 

 

This is the biggest problem the Cubs have. They've created an environment where, for the last two seasons, the most celebrated offseason moves have been the removal, not the acquisition, of players.

 

Corey should have been here until a more productive replacement could have been found.

[thedaymen]

How about that the Nitz' hit his 7th hr on the season, which would be good enough to lead the Cubs in homers.

[Outshined_One]

That's great, but Corey repeatedly sucked badly here. How much more time were you willing to give him? I'm glad he's doing well, but I was also more glad to see him finally shipped out of Chicago.

 

I was relieved for Corey the player when he was shipped out of here. The coaching he received here was just awful. How many coaches were in his ear at once? Sonny Jackson, Dusty Baker, Gene Clines, Sarge Matthews, and anyone else? Come on, that simply isn't the way you teach a guy like Corey consistency. You don't plop him down in one slot, then jerk him up and down the lineup, giving him different roles each time.

 

He never would have performed this well if he stayed in Chicago this season.

[RegulusBlue]

I'm really glad I can't see the future, because I'd already be painting the walls with my brains after Corey destroys Pierre's stat line this year.

[CubDad4Ever]

Yeah , his 289 obp and 700 ops are awsome. Jones is 100 plus . JP has stunk , we will see how his obp turns out for the season compared to cp. If you hate thats fine. But the facts are CP stinks compared to J J . Coach L

[nolanwood]

How about that the Nitz' hit his 7th hr on the season, which would be good enough to lead the Cubs in homers.

 

Aside from those 7 dongs, however, the Nitz has been horrid this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's walking more and striking out less than previous years, which means he should be okay when his BABIP rises some(and for a guy with his speed hitting the amount of line drives he is, it should). I don't see the point in comparing him to Jones though. A more appropriate comparison would be to Pierre, and this year Corey has been unmistakably superior.

[Peoriaman]

Corey is 2 for his last 15. I'll take Jones.

[halplm]

Corey is 2 for his last 15. I'll take Jones.

 

Yes, because Jones hasn't done anything that bad this year... :roll:

[Peoriaman]

Jones is the better player.

 

and who said Jones has never done anything bad?

[halplm]

Well, say Jones is the better player, don't say Corey is 2 for his last 15...

[Caryatid]

Jones is the better player.

 

and who said Jones has never done anything bad?

 

Is he the better player relative to his contract. You can't just say "he's better" without quantifying it. Sure, he's better on a very basic level, but factoring in the albatross that is his contract, he certainly doesn't make the team better in the long haul (unless you can convince somebody dumb to take on the contract).

 

Patterson might not be anything more than mediocre, but he was a moveable asset. Jones is slightly less mediocre, and less moveable, which makes him a less valuable player.

[jjgman21]

He's walking more and striking out less than previous years, which means he should be okay when his BABIP rises some(and for a guy with his speed hitting the amount of line drives he is, it should). I don't see the point in comparing him to Jones though. A more appropriate comparison would be to Pierre, and this year Corey has been unmistakably superior.

 

where does one find line drive stats?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's walking more and striking out less than previous years, which means he should be okay when his BABIP rises some(and for a guy with his speed hitting the amount of line drives he is, it should). I don't see the point in comparing him to Jones though. A more appropriate comparison would be to Pierre, and this year Corey has been unmistakably superior.

 

where does one find line drive stats?

 

It doesn't go back very far(2004), but The Hardball Times has them.

[jjgman21]

He's walking more and striking out less than previous years, which means he should be okay when his BABIP rises some(and for a guy with his speed hitting the amount of line drives he is, it should). I don't see the point in comparing him to Jones though. A more appropriate comparison would be to Pierre, and this year Corey has been unmistakably superior.

 

where does one find line drive stats?

 

It doesn't go back very far(2004), but The Hardball Times has them.

 

thanks.

[dalgreen]

Part of Corey's demise in Chicago was due to coaching, but a lot of it was due to Corey and that he was severely overrated. Five-tool player? I never saw the strong arm or the hitting for avg. after he left A-ball. In the times I've seen him this year he has struck out on fastballs chin high or higher. I wish him all the best, but it was time to move on. To me, he was the position player equivalent of Steve Trachsel when he was with the Cubs. It was time to cut him loose.

 

As for Jones, he was overpaid, but I'll reserve my wrath on him until the All-Star break -- I think he's just now settling in, but he's not worth the contract. Remember, some of you were complaining about Lee's worth during his first year here, too.

[goonys evil twin]

As for Jones, he was overpaid, but I'll reserve my wrath on him until the All-Star break -- I think he's just now settling in, but he's not worth the contract. Remember, some of you were complaining about Lee's worth during his first year here, too.

 

Oh, give me a break.

 

Seriously. You are going to try and compare Jones and Lee and their worth to this team, now or ever? Lee was still a good player who was young. He just wasn't an elite hitter. Jones blows.

[jjgman21]

Part of Corey's demise in Chicago was due to coaching, but a lot of it was due to Corey and that he was severely overrated. Five-tool player? I never saw the strong arm or the hitting for avg. after he left A-ball. In the times I've seen him this year he has struck out on fastballs chin high or higher. I wish him all the best, but it was time to move on. To me, he was the position player equivalent of Steve Trachsel when he was with the Cubs. It was time to cut him loose.

 

As for Jones, he was overpaid, but I'll reserve my wrath on him until the All-Star break -- I think he's just now settling in, but he's not worth the contract. Remember, some of you were complaining about Lee's worth during his first year here, too.

 

I think alot of discussion about 'worth the contract' on here misses the fact that average free agent outfielders get paid 5-6M per year, and average free agent startes get paid 8-9M per year. while I agree both the Maddux and Jones contracts were too long, neither was really overpriced in today's market.

[goonys evil twin]

Part of Corey's demise in Chicago was due to coaching, but a lot of it was due to Corey and that he was severely overrated. Five-tool player? I never saw the strong arm or the hitting for avg. after he left A-ball. In the times I've seen him this year he has struck out on fastballs chin high or higher. I wish him all the best, but it was time to move on. To me, he was the position player equivalent of Steve Trachsel when he was with the Cubs. It was time to cut him loose.

 

As for Jones, he was overpaid, but I'll reserve my wrath on him until the All-Star break -- I think he's just now settling in, but he's not worth the contract. Remember, some of you were complaining about Lee's worth during his first year here, too.

 

I think alot of discussion about 'worth the contract' on here misses the fact that average free agent outfielders get paid 5-6M per year, and average free agent startes get paid 8-9M per year. while I agree both the Maddux and Jones contracts were too long, neither was really overpriced in today's market.

 

Jones isn't average.

[jjgman21]

Part of Corey's demise in Chicago was due to coaching, but a lot of it was due to Corey and that he was severely overrated. Five-tool player? I never saw the strong arm or the hitting for avg. after he left A-ball. In the times I've seen him this year he has struck out on fastballs chin high or higher. I wish him all the best, but it was time to move on. To me, he was the position player equivalent of Steve Trachsel when he was with the Cubs. It was time to cut him loose.

 

As for Jones, he was overpaid, but I'll reserve my wrath on him until the All-Star break -- I think he's just now settling in, but he's not worth the contract. Remember, some of you were complaining about Lee's worth during his first year here, too.

 

I think alot of discussion about 'worth the contract' on here misses the fact that average free agent outfielders get paid 5-6M per year, and average free agent startes get paid 8-9M per year. while I agree both the Maddux and Jones contracts were too long, neither was really overpriced in today's market.

 

Jones isn't average.

 

whatever. he's paid what equivalent players tend to be paid.

[goonys evil twin]

whatever. he's paid what equivalent players tend to be paid.

 

Equivalent players get 1 year contracts for similar or less money.

 

Big difference. Very big difference.

[jjgman21]

whatever. he's paid what equivalent players tend to be paid.

 

Equivalent players get 1 year contracts for similar or less money.

 

Big difference. Very big difference.

 

I already said I don't like the length of the contract, but you're pretty much dead wrong that similar free agent players get less money.