Baker upset that Barrett told the truth

[stitchface]

I don't know that its absurd to hide it - making a spectacle of not hiding it is a bit overboard though.

 

A spectacle?? Baker was asked a question - he answered it. Baker is going to say some wacky things just like Zambrano is going to do some wacky things. I don't understand what all the hoopla is about everytime Baker says something a little goofy(ie. get the skunk out of the boat).

 

nothing else to do. Seriously though, if it bothers you, just ignore it. trust me, what dusty says doesn't keep me up at night.

[srbin84]

Like I said, let's say the Cubs put Barrett on deck as a pinch hitter with a lefty on the mound. We could force them to bring in a righty to face Mabry.

 

and the cubs couldn't have done that why?

 

If they knew Barrett was hurt, they would just assume it was a decoy and ignore it at least until he faced a pitch.

 

you don't think the brewers had it figured out? see abucks post above.

 

Well, why did we all know it, why was it reported. I assumed this was because of Barrett answering questions/speaking out?

[Jon]

what was there to hide? do you not think the brewers knew that he hurt his finger and may not be available today? i think if i knew it, i'm guessing the brewers did too.

That's the main thing here. Regardless of Barrett's comments, they had to have known that he went to get x-rays on Wednesday and was diagnosed with a jammed finger. That was announced by the Cubs and reported both on the air and in the papers.

 

Barrett's comments don't really make a difference.

Edited April 29, 2006 by Jon

[Mark_R]

Could you imagine trying to read a book w/ Dusty? He'd interupt you all the time with stupid stories about how he hates clogging the basepaths and weird stuff like that.

[stitchface]

Like I said, let's say the Cubs put Barrett on deck as a pinch hitter with a lefty on the mound. We could force them to bring in a righty to face Mabry.

 

and the cubs couldn't have done that why?

 

If they knew Barrett was hurt, they would just assume it was a decoy and ignore it at least until he faced a pitch.

 

you don't think the brewers had it figured out? see abucks post above.

 

Well, why did we all know it, why was it reported. I assumed this was because of Barrett answering questions/speaking out?

 

he had an icepack on his hand and was asked why - what is he supposed to say? I seriously don't think this had much potential to affect the outcome of the game so why make a big deal of it? certainly starting neifi hurt the cubs chances to win more than barrett's honesty - maybe barrett should have agreed to read the book if dusty agreed to read bill james.

[cjbucks]

I don't know that its absurd to hide it - making a spectacle of not hiding it is a bit overboard though.

 

A spectacle?? Baker was asked a question - he answered it. Baker is going to say some wacky things just like Zambrano is going to do some wacky things. I don't understand what all the hoopla is about everytime Baker says something a little goofy(ie. get the skunk out of the boat).

 

nothing else to do. Seriously though, if it bothers you, just ignore it. trust me, what dusty says doesn't keep me up at night.

 

Doesn't bother me a bit - doesn't keep me up at night. As a matter of fact I'm going to bed right now. :D

[cjbucks]

Like I said, let's say the Cubs put Barrett on deck as a pinch hitter with a lefty on the mound. We could force them to bring in a righty to face Mabry.

 

and the cubs couldn't have done that why?

 

If they knew Barrett was hurt, they would just assume it was a decoy and ignore it at least until he faced a pitch.

 

you don't think the brewers had it figured out? see abucks post above.

 

Well, why did we all know it, why was it reported. I assumed this was because of Barrett answering questions/speaking out?

 

he had an icepack on his hand and was asked why - what is he supposed to say? I seriously don't think this had much potential to affect the outcome of the game so why make a big deal of it? certainly starting neifi hurt the cubs chances to win more than barrett's honesty - maybe barrett should have agreed to read the book if dusty agreed to read bill james.

 

Ohh......... obligatory Neifi reference.

[stitchface]

Like I said, let's say the Cubs put Barrett on deck as a pinch hitter with a lefty on the mound. We could force them to bring in a righty to face Mabry.

 

and the cubs couldn't have done that why?

 

If they knew Barrett was hurt, they would just assume it was a decoy and ignore it at least until he faced a pitch.

 

you don't think the brewers had it figured out? see abucks post above.

 

Well, why did we all know it, why was it reported. I assumed this was because of Barrett answering questions/speaking out?

 

he had an icepack on his hand and was asked why - what is he supposed to say? I seriously don't think this had much potential to affect the outcome of the game so why make a big deal of it? certainly starting neifi hurt the cubs chances to win more than barrett's honesty - maybe barrett should have agreed to read the book if dusty agreed to read bill james.

 

Ohh......... obligatory Neifi reference.

 

what does that mean? Are you discussing the topic or attacking me for bringing up the fact that Neifi is a terrible player?

[srbin84]

I don't even dislike Neifi like others, but I just want to see him go so the bickering can end.

[stitchface]

I don't even dislike Neifi like others, but I just want to see him go so the bickering can end.

 

I don't understand the bickering, if you disagree state your case instead of making snide remarks.

[srbin84]

I think Neifi is bad, but he's not in the legendary class of badness that some think he is and doesn't warrent the constant criticism he gets. If he was a starter, ok, fine, but he's not so I don't understand the obsession.

[stitchface]

I think Neifi is bad, but he's not in the legendary class of badness that some think he is and doesn't warrent the constant criticism he gets. If he was a starter, ok, fine, but he's not so I don't understand the obsession.

 

to me, along with jones, he represents the poor decision making by cubs management. its very frustrating. he did start today and my point is that decision by dusty impacted the game more than barrett admitting he was hurt. perhaps dusty should focus more on those aspects of winning games than on what barrett is reading.

[srbin84]

I guess I just am not as angry because I feel I've see wores (i.e. Hundley, Estes, Harris). To me Neifi has been 10 times as good as Lenny Harris was for us and Jones could end up being another Hundley, but I'm still willing to wait and see what he does for a while longer.

 

BTW-I don't like the fact that either on the team. I touted acquiring Mench.

[CUBZ99]

I think Dusty actually has a point for once. Why go public with an injury if it is not necessary? Blanco playing two games in a row could be easily explained away, especially when Maddux is pitching the second day.

[Shilzzz]

what i don't understand is this:

 

even if dusty put barrett as a decoy with a left handed pitcher in, if melvin leaves the lefty in anyways, then what? he would have to pull barrett because he wouldn't hit then show his hand. so it doesn't matter.

 

am i being very ignorant in this?

[srbin84]

what i don't understand is this:

 

even if dusty put barrett as a decoy with a left handed pitcher in, if melvin leaves the lefty in anyways, then what? he would have to pull barrett because he wouldn't hit then show his hand. so it doesn't matter.

 

am i being very ignorant in this?

 

True, but it's worth a shot. If Yost didn't buy it, he could have put Restovich up. Either way, it works out when you have a useless but potent bat like Barrett to play with.

[soccer10k]

I think Neifi is bad, but he's not in the legendary class of badness that some think he is and doesn't warrent the constant criticism he gets. If he was a starter, ok, fine, but he's not so I don't understand the obsession.

 

You know that somebody is going to come out with a bunch of stats trying to prove that you are wrong. I agree with you BTW.

[soccer10k]

Wow, another thread questioning Dusty's every utterance.

I think this is legit. It's absurd to hide an injury to "bluff".

 

It's not like this is hockey.

[A New Era]

If he really did say "Maybe you should read it". . Sounds pretty rude to me. Maybe you should read a book about "OBP" D.u.s.t.b.a.g. Dusty should worry about himself rather than some minor thing like this? I mean WTH is going to happen if the brewers see Barret with his hands in ice? Purposely hit his hands with the next pitch? I seriously doubt this minor sprain will effect Barrets ability to swing a bat.

 

Dusty here's another one. How about reading the book that tells you to use Jones in the one thing his is GOOD at. Defense in RF during the late innings!!

[frostwyrm]

I remember not too long ago there was a thread where Dusty/Hendry supporters argued that they weren't deliberately hiding injuries because there was no good reason to do so. Now Dusty admits he does do it, and his supporters are arguing that it's smart strategy. If nothing else, I have to admire the loyalty of Dusty's fans.

[Diffusion]

Dusty obviously doens't have the latest copy of Strategy and War and Different Things. Because I've read it and it mentions the Double Bluff.

[badgercub]

I don't believe it was an attempt to hide an injury but the fact that Barrett basically said he was unavailable (to even pinch hit). We all know he is day to day, so at least let them go under the assumption that you may be available to pinch hit. The injury was not hidden they just didn't want the fact that he was unavailable to pinch hit known, I think that is a pretty smart move.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO you just try to keep as much information about an injury with the team as much as possible.

 

But to settle the dispute, maybe Barrett and Baker should just play war the card game. Now that's a game that takes some serious strategy.

Edited April 29, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[KW34]

if you aren't interested in discussing the issue but only what other people want to discuss, don't read the thread. very simple. I don't really care if the cubs announce it or not. To start talking about war strategy is silly.

 

I don't think it is silly at all. The Daily Herald mentioned Sun Tzu's The Art of War which is often read by people who are not in the military. The tenets of the book translate well to the world today and many business leaders (and other leaders) have read this. I'd wager that a fair number of managers and coaches have read this. Even Pauly Walnuts read it.

[KW34]

If he really did say "Maybe you should read it". . Sounds pretty rude to me. Maybe you should read a book about "OBP" D.u.s.t.b.a.g. Dusty should worry about himself rather than some minor thing like this? I mean WTH is going to happen if the brewers see Barret with his hands in ice? Purposely hit his hands with the next pitch? I seriously doubt this minor sprain will effect Barrets ability to swing a bat.

 

Dusty here's another one. How about reading the book that tells you to use Jones in the one thing his is GOOD at. Defense in RF during the late innings!!

 

Phil Jackson has been giving books to his players for years. I don't see anything wrong with Dusty showing Barrett some books to make his point.

 

I think many of you are missing the importance of this. You have a 25 man roster. If one player is unavailable it absolutely impacts that game. For the sake of argument, Barrett unavailable impacts the following:

• Mabry is now your backup catcher and unavailable early in the game

• Aramis up in a critical situation in the middle innings vs. a tiring pitcher now becomes Aramis vs. the opponent's ace reliever (since there's no RH pop on the bench hence nothing to save him for)

• Your pitchers have to bat because of a short bench, allowing the opposition to pitch around the eigth place hitter

 

You may not agree but I think these are huge advantages for the opposition and will affect the game. Kirk Gibson wasn't available for the rest of the World Series after his HR off Eckersley - do you think LaRussa would have liked to know that?