Pujols' "bat-throwing" incident (explanation)

[K-Town]

I think your posting today was to show us that his status as good guy had been restored because he admitted he was wrong. Personally, I don't see how this makes him any different than any other player...

 

I'm not trying to make him any different. I've said a thousand times that he's human, just like Zambrano, just like alot of other players. I do appreciate the fact that he knows that he shouldn't have done it, though.

 

I was simply following up on a topic from last week, with an article that was in the PD this morning.

[Blueheart05]

People really get this worked up over a bat throwing incident?

 

Sure, it's a bad thing to do, but really, who cares? Aramis admires every homerun, Derrek Lee does a mini Sammy hop with every homerun...admiring homeruns has grown into an everyday occurence, it doesn't seem worth talking about anymore.

 

Lee's hop is fairly muted but I think Aramis' flips and posing get under people's skin. However, Pujols' bat flip on the Oliver Perez home run was over the top; that bat went several feet.

 

It was over the top. Even he says so. He probably shouldn't have done it, but at least he's man enough to admit that it was probably a mistake. How often do you see ballplayers do that (admit they're wrong)?

 

I'm not sure that he admitted he was wrong because of some feeling of guilt as much as it was to undo the damage he caused to his image. He certainly wasn't consolatory right away... He's received a lot of negative press in the wake of this incident so I think that's why he admitted it was wrong.

 

 

Of course you believe that. Why wouldn't you?

 

Other players showboat. Do they try to make amends, to protect their image? Not really. That's the problem........ most players don't care about their image.

 

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

[K-Town]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

[Blueheart05]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

[K-Town]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

 

I think it's just the opposite. I think that Pujols gives the media so little material to work with, so they take something like this and run run run with it. Heck, we're even doing it on this board. With anybody else, I think it wouldn't have even made the news.

 

The context of the game is irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make by including Zamrano in the original post.

[Blueheart05]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

 

I think it's just the opposite. I think that Pujols gives the media so little material to work with, so they take something like this and run run run with it. Heck, we're even doing it on this board. With anybody else, I think it wouldn't have even made the news.

 

The context of the game is irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make by including Zamrano in the original post.

 

Nah, I disagree that the context of the game didn't matter. I also disagree that, my, reaction would be different for another player. I was watching that game live and thinking he was a tool for showboating during a blowout. I know I wasn't alone because of the flack he's gotten. I also recall several threads popping up at Cards Talk, questioning his sportsmanship, directly following the incident. Quite frankly, it reminded me of some of Sammy's hops during games where the Cubs were being overmatched.

[K-Town]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

 

I think it's just the opposite. I think that Pujols gives the media so little material to work with, so they take something like this and run run run with it. Heck, we're even doing it on this board. With anybody else, I think it wouldn't have even made the news.

 

The context of the game is irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make by including Zamrano in the original post.

 

Nah, I disagree that the context of the game didn't matter. I also disagree that, my, reaction would be different for another player. I was watching that game live and thinking he was a tool for showboating during a blowout. I know I wasn't alone because of the flack he's gotten. I also recall several threads popping up at Cards Talk, questioning his sportsmanship, directly following the incident. Quite frankly, it reminded me of some of Sammy's hops during games where the Cubs were being overmatched.

 

Do you also have a problem with Zambrano?

 

 

 

I agree that I wouldn't want Pujols showing up pitchers every time he hit a home run, but I actually don't mind a LITTLE bit of his arrogance, in this case, considering that he had gotten similar treatment from the pitcher on a previous occasion.

[biittner77]

If Pujols doesn't want people to celebrate after getting him out he should make more outs. That way it wouldn't be worth celebrating. No one celebrates after they get Neifi Perez out.

[Wild_Cubs04]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

If you have never met and talked with him in person, you have no clue.

[K-Town]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

If you have never met and talked with him in person, you have no clue.

 

 

Which is why I said "I'm not sure", unlike the original poster, who stated it as fact that his image was fake.

[K-Town]

If Pujols doesn't want people to celebrate after getting him out he should make more outs. That way it wouldn't be worth celebrating. No one celebrates after they get Neifi Perez out.

 

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[reggiemiller rules]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

If you have never met and talked with him in person, you have no clue.

 

On that same notion it is not fair for Blueheart to call his image fake then. Just about everybody in the media who covers baseball and does talk to him says he is a very nice guy. Allthough I agree the bat flip was out of line i dont think it should change his public perception any. He felt like Perez showed him up and decided he would do it to him it might be wrong but it certinley dosent take away from all the charity work he has done. Plus there never has really been any reports come out about him being a jerk off the field either so, I dont think his image is fake as Blueheart has said.

[Blueheart05]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

 

I think it's just the opposite. I think that Pujols gives the media so little material to work with, so they take something like this and run run run with it. Heck, we're even doing it on this board. With anybody else, I think it wouldn't have even made the news.

 

The context of the game is irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make by including Zamrano in the original post.

 

Nah, I disagree that the context of the game didn't matter. I also disagree that, my, reaction would be different for another player. I was watching that game live and thinking he was a tool for showboating during a blowout. I know I wasn't alone because of the flack he's gotten. I also recall several threads popping up at Cards Talk, questioning his sportsmanship, directly following the incident. Quite frankly, it reminded me of some of Sammy's hops during games where the Cubs were being overmatched.

 

Do you also have a problem with Zambrano?

 

 

 

I agree that I wouldn't want Pujols showing up pitchers every time he hit a home run, but I actually don't mind a LITTLE bit of his arrogance, in this case, considering that he had gotten similar treatment from the pitcher on a previous occasion.

 

Yes, I have the same issue with Zambrano and I bring it up in game threads all the time. I also don't like the way Aramis poses (They are Cubs so I love them but I'm well aware that they are two of the most despised guys, among other fandoms, both because they are good and because of their penchant for celebration).

 

Again, it's not so much the retaliation or display of arrogance that I mind because I think it's synonymous with sports and competition in general. I really think that if he'd done the flip on a walkoff homer there wouldn't have been any flack.

[Wild_Cubs04]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

If you have never met and talked with him in person, you have no clue.

 

On that same notion it is not fair for Blueheart to call his image fake then. Just about everybody in the media who covers baseball and does talk to him says he is a very nice guy. Allthough I agree the bat flip was out of line i dont think it should change his public perception any. He felt like Perez showed him up and decided he would do it to him it might be wrong but it certinley dosent take away from all the charity work he has done. Plus there never has really been any reports come out about him being a jerk off the field either so, I dont think his image is fake as Blueheart has said.

 

My apologies, I meant to bold both of them.

[K-Town]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

I disagree on two points; First, I think that both local and national media do try to only show his positive side. The media gives some guys a pass. For instance, many MJ fans weren't privy to his womanizing and other off the court antics until he was nolonger a superstar. One a smaller scale, much of the media, here in Chicago, gave Carl Everett (who isn't even a star) a pass because they liked the team he was playing for (and many of them have admitted it now that he's continued his antics in Seattle).

 

Secondly, I disagree that he considered the media's reaction because he has gotten very little negative press with which to measure it against. Like I said before, I don't think it was the pay back, that he's admitted to, as much as the context within the game. It was a selfish move in a blow out which is why I think it has gotten so much exposure.

 

I think it's just the opposite. I think that Pujols gives the media so little material to work with, so they take something like this and run run run with it. Heck, we're even doing it on this board. With anybody else, I think it wouldn't have even made the news.

 

The context of the game is irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make by including Zamrano in the original post.

 

Nah, I disagree that the context of the game didn't matter. I also disagree that, my, reaction would be different for another player. I was watching that game live and thinking he was a tool for showboating during a blowout. I know I wasn't alone because of the flack he's gotten. I also recall several threads popping up at Cards Talk, questioning his sportsmanship, directly following the incident. Quite frankly, it reminded me of some of Sammy's hops during games where the Cubs were being overmatched.

 

Do you also have a problem with Zambrano?

 

 

 

I agree that I wouldn't want Pujols showing up pitchers every time he hit a home run, but I actually don't mind a LITTLE bit of his arrogance, in this case, considering that he had gotten similar treatment from the pitcher on a previous occasion.

 

Yes, I have the same issue with Zambrano and I bring it up in game threads all the time. I also don't like the way Aramis poses (They are Cubs so I love them but I'm well aware that they are two of the most despised guys, among other fandoms, both because they are good and because of their penchant for celebration).

 

Again, it's not so much the retaliation or display of arrogance that I mind because I think it's synonymous with sports and competition in general. I really think that if he'd done the flip on a walkoff homer there wouldn't have been any flack.

 

 

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm not crazy about what Pujols did, either. Nor am I thrilled when Zambrano does his thing............ but, they are both human, I suppose.

[Blueheart05]

The problem is that his image is fake because it doesn't portray all facets of his personality. The spin on him is that he puts his head down and runs hard around the bases folllowing all of his homeruns (which isn't true). This incident showed a

number of things; he can hold a grudge, he will retaliate, and he can be selfish. Don't forget that all of this happened during a game in which the Cardinals were losing badly. It would have been more appropriate as a game winning shot.

 

That being said, I have no problem with retaliation but you shouldn't be surprised that people questioned his posing during a blow out.

 

I'm not sure that his image is fake. And I don't really see any "spin". He's a high-profile athlete....... whatever he does will be srutinized by somebody (if not by the local media, then by the national media). If there's a story to tell (negative or otherwise), it's going to be told. You should know enough about our head-hunting national sportswriters to realize that. Personally, I don't think anybody has ever claimed that he puts his head down and sprints around the bases after a home run (maybe you're thinking of Rolen?).

 

If he were overly concerned about his image, he probably wouldn't have done what he did. He clearly had time to consider what the media's reaction would be, and he did it anyway. Personally, I'm not that upset to see the "humanistic" side of him.

 

If you have never met and talked with him in person, you have no clue.

 

On that same notion it is not fair for Blueheart to call his image fake then. Just about everybody in the media who covers baseball and does talk to him says he is a very nice guy. Allthough I agree the bat flip was out of line i dont think it should change his public perception any. He felt like Perez showed him up and decided he would do it to him it might be wrong but it certinley dosent take away from all the charity work he has done. Plus there never has really been any reports come out about him being a jerk off the field either so, I dont think his image is fake as Blueheart has said.

 

What I said was true and if you read the whole comment, instead of just focusing on the word "fake," you'd understand my position. His image is one of only goodness when he clearly has flaws. BTW, I'm talking about baseball related matters. Is it lost on you that Pujols' homerun didn't mean anything in that game? Therefore, his actions were purely selfish. It would have made more sense to save the flip for last night's game. One could argue that the move would have psyched out the pitcher and help lead to a win.

Edited April 25, 2006 by Blueheart05

[Warpticon]

Conversations like this remind me of what a wimpy, wussy sport baseball is in a lot of ways.

[treebird]

this thread shouldn't exist

[CubinNY]

this thread shouldn't exist

 

No question.

[gus_dog]

I really liked Pujols when he broke in to MLB.

 

Now...., not so much. Whether he is a jerk or not, I don't know, but his actions when everyone is watching make him look like an arrogant poseur.

 

Please, don't throw out some other player's name and ask me what I think of them. I am referring to Pujols, and Pujols only with this comment.

 

I would never advocate throwing at a player with intent to harm, however, Mr. Pujols better look out for some chin music next time he faces Perez - efforts at truce notwithstanding.

 

I mean really, the players are into machismo, and showboating waaayyyy to much. It should be about the game, and the team, IMO, not about me myself and I. I know, times have changed, but not necessarily for the better. Also, it doesn't mean things have to stay this way.

[Outshined_One]

With MLB cracking down on throwing at batters, I'm curious as to whether or not these guys would be doing these same antics if they knew an earhole pitch was coming in the next AB.

 

Think about how fun it would be to see what would happen if Zambrano charged the mound, to boot!

[indifferent]

Dare I enter this thread?

 

I was telling a friend at the game last night that I'm torn on Albert's off field actions. On one hand, I'm hating the bat flipping and showboating, but on the other hand his comments about booing Encarnacion and Izzy were pretty stand up. You're risking the ire of your fans when you condemn their actions and rather than just bask in his great start, he stuck up for two underperforming guys.

 

One says individual, the other says team. And he's always the first guy out of the dugout congratulating other guys.

[daske17]

Dare I enter this thread?

 

I was telling a friend at the game last night that I'm torn on Albert's off field actions. On one hand, I'm hating the bat flipping and showboating, but on the other hand his comments about booing Encarnacion and Izzy were pretty stand up. You're risking the ire of your fans when you condemn their actions and rather than just bask in his great start, he stuck up for two underperforming guys.

 

One says individual, the other says team. And he's always the first guy out of the dugout congratulating other guys.

 

Dare I follow up into this thread? :wink:

 

From an opposing viewpoint, D-Lee last year defended his teammates against booing and didn't show up opposing pitchers throughout an MVP-calibre year. No one had a problem with D-Lee. . . okay, I have to leave before I get too embroiled in this argument.

[K-Town]

I really liked Pujols when he broke in to MLB.

 

Now...., not so much. Whether he is a jerk or not, I don't know, but his actions when everyone is watching make him look like an arrogant poseur.

 

Please, don't throw out some other player's name and ask me what I think of them. I am referring to Pujols, and Pujols only with this comment.

 

I would never advocate throwing at a player with intent to harm, however, Mr. Pujols better look out for some chin music next time he faces Perez - efforts at truce notwithstanding.

 

I mean really, the players are into machismo, and showboating waaayyyy to much. It should be about the game, and the team, IMO, not about me myself and I. I know, times have changed, but not necessarily for the better. Also, it doesn't mean things have to stay this way.

 

You realize that the pitcher did the showboating first, right? Pujols didn't start this thing. If a batter showboats, you expect your pitcher to retaliate. So when a pitcher showboats, shouldn't you expect the batter to retaliate?

[K-Town]

What I said was true and if you read the whole comment, instead of just focusing on the word "fake," you'd understand my position. His image is one of only goodness when he clearly has flaws. BTW, I'm talking about baseball related matters. Is it lost on you that Pujols' homerun didn't mean anything in that game? Therefore, his actions were purely selfish. It would have made more sense to save the flip for last night's game. One could argue that the move would have psyched out the pitcher and help lead to a win.

 

If Pujols' run didn't mean anything, then why even finish the game? The Cards were down 7 runs in the 4th inning when he hit the home run, but to say that it meant NOTHING is going a little too far.