Pierre Extension possibilty....?

[JackBauer]

Is the word on the street that Hendry is working on an extension for Pierre? I would love to keep Pierre but with Pie in the minors and freaking Jacque Jones' 3 year contract, I'm a bit worried that the cubs will foolishly let Pierre go. Pierre is too valuable to lose and next year we'll be back to our old leadoff problems if we don't keep Pierre.

[badger1679666666]

I'd rather keep Pierre, get rid of Jones somehow after this year and move Pie to RF.

[Choonch]

If they do get it done, I hope it happens during the season. With so few leadoff hitters available after this season, I'm afraid the price would be pretty inflated.

 

I REALLY wish Jacque had only signed for one year. Maybe we'll get lucky and we can trade him for someone at the deadline and bring up Pie to take the RF spot on a full time basis.

[Warpticon]

Pierre hasn't proven very valuable so far. I hope that changes, but if it doesn't, there's no way I want him back--especially with two quality prospects having the potential to lead off (not that I would necessarily lead off Pie) looking to be major league ready soon.

 

Pierre's people apparently want to wait until after the season to talk extension. That's just fine with me.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pierre has been terrible so far as a Cub.

[radarluv1]

Pierre hasn't proven very valuable so far. I hope that changes, but if it doesn't, there's no way I want him back--especially with two quality prospects having the potential to lead off (not that I would necessarily lead off Pie) looking to be major league ready soon.

 

Pierre's people apparently want to wait until after the season to talk extension. That's just fine with me.

 

epatt? is he leading off in the minors?

[CuseCubFan69]

Pierre hasn't proven very valuable so far. I hope that changes, but if it doesn't, there's no way I want him back--especially with two quality prospects having the potential to lead off (not that I would necessarily lead off Pie) looking to be major league ready soon.

 

Pierre's people apparently want to wait until after the season to talk extension. That's just fine with me.

 

I hope Hendry agrees with them and waits.

[Balsa]

Pierre has been terrible so far as a Cub.

 

So? Aramis Ramirez has been awful so far. And I don't anyone expects him to continue at this pace. It's only a question of when he turns it up, not if.

 

I would argue the same for Pierre.

[YearofDaCubs]

Pierre is leading the Cubs in runs so he hasn't been THAT bad. Lately, he also has been getting his AVG and OBP up.

[abuck1220]

Pierre has been terrible so far as a Cub.

 

So? Aramis Ramirez has been awful so far. And I don't anyone expects him to continue at this pace. It's only a question of when he turns it up, not if.

 

 

yeah, except ramirez was very good last year, while pierre was awful in '05.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pierre has been terrible so far as a Cub.

 

So? Aramis Ramirez has been awful so far. And I don't anyone expects him to continue at this pace. It's only a question of when he turns it up, not if.

 

I would argue the same for Pierre.

 

Pierre was similarly awful last year(although not this abominably bad at getting on base), there certainly is a question if he's going to "turn it up".

[Warpticon]

I would hope the leadoff hitter would be leading the team in runs when the best hitter is out and the second best hitter has been hitting under .200 until recently. That doesn't really determine how valuable he has been.

 

And the argument of "if" versus "when" on Pierre turning it around would be more appreciable if it weren't for the fact that he wasn't very good last year, either; that his game is extremely one-dimensional; and that his defense hasn't been particularly good, either. Aramis hasn't been anything close to awful in four years, is 3 years younger, and a much better overall player. There really isn't much of a comparison.

 

Eric Patterson isn't leading off right now; he's batting 2nd. Today he stole 3 bases, making him 10 for 12 on the year, and he came into the day hitting .302/.357/.460. I think he's certainly capable of leading off--the question is essentially when, which is contingent upon his further development. it's too early at this point to say whether he might be ready to jump to the bigs next year or possibly even late this year. I feel safer saying that Pie is very close.

[texascub]

Pierre hasn't lit the world on fire, but he certainly hasn't been as awful as the crap we've had in past years. Even though his average is only .268, he is still in 3rd on the team with 19 hits (Walker and Cedeno tied for first with 20) and he has scored 13 runs so far, the most on the team. He's also 7-7 in SBA thus far, and today alone his speed was able to cause two errors where he got on base and scored both times.

[Warpticon]

It's a huge stretch to say that his speed caused an error on a play in which a throw wasn't even made. And considering Pierre gets more at-bats than anybody and rarely walks, counting his hit totals doesn't say a lot for how effective he's been, does it? I am pleased with how good he's been stealing, which makes me even more annoyed that Baker apparently chose to bunt with Cedeno TWICE with nobody out and Pierre on base--once at first--today. What a waste of a .370 hitter.

 

Walker leading off in '04 was much better than Pierre has been. MUCH better.

[UMFan83]

Is the word on the street that Hendry is working on an extension for Pierre? I would love to keep Pierre but with Pie in the minors and freaking Jacque Jones' 3 year contract, I'm a bit worried that the cubs will foolishly let Pierre go. Pierre is too valuable to lose and next year we'll be back to our old leadoff problems if we don't keep Pierre.

 

Welcome to the board! I hear you and Chuck Norris battled for 7 days straight and it ended up in a draw. Pretty impressive.

 

Definitely don't talk extention with Sleepy (slowly becoming Slappy again) until after the season. If he hits over .300 with a .350+ OBP, I'd consider a 1-2 year extension.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

[RyCubsFan]

I wouldn't resign Pierre. I like the guy, but I don't think he'll be worth the money that he'll demand. He wants "lead off" money. I would also trade Jones in the offseason.

 

Outfield in 07:

 

LF Murton

CF Pie

RF ??

 

For RF, I'd try to trade for the one of Arizona's young outfielders. They have a surplus. Maybe offer Marmol and Hill...

[RyCubsFan]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

 

I don't hate Pierre. He seems like a great guy. However,

 

He has no power.

He has no arm in the outfield.

 

Pie will be a much better player....next year.

[Careless]

Pierre hasn't lit the world on fire, but he certainly hasn't been as awful as the crap we've had in past years. Even though his average is only .268, he is still in 3rd on the team with 19 hits (Walker and Cedeno tied for first with 20) and he has scored 13 runs so far, the most on the team. He's also 7-7 in SBA thus far, and today alone his speed was able to cause two errors where he got on base and scored both times.

So essentially you're giving him credit for not having gotten injured yet? He's been the only full time player on the team. That's why he's gotten hits.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

 

No one is talking about long term extensions for Cedeno, Murton, and Ramirez. Where has anyone been unreasonable about Pierre in this thread?

[Warpticon]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

 

.301 is still a terrible OBP, especially for a leadoff man. He needs to continue to pick it up to be worth considering giving an extension to, seeing as he's coming off a not-so-hot year.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

 

.301 is still a terrible OBP, especially for a leadoff man. He needs to continue to pick it up to be worth considering giving an extension to, seeing as he's coming off a not-so-hot year.

 

historically his obp will be 50-60 points above his BA. he'll be just fine. does he need to pick it up? of course and he has been doing so for the last week, if you've been watching. some people start out the season in slumps (Ramirez, cough, cough).

 

it's early. why are you using .301 as the indicator of his abilities?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100.

 

Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB)

 

Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB)

 

 

I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

 

No one is talking about long term extensions for Cedeno, Murton, and Ramirez. Where has anyone been unreasonable about Pierre in this thread?

 

You said he's been terrible as a cub. someone else said his D was poor. Those are exaggerations.

 

Pierre's tracked down a number of balls that would have dropped for XBH had it been someone else in CF (Hairston, CPat, etc). He's communicated fairly well with new OF mates. Oh, and he doesn't have an error.

 

His SB% is 100. He's on pace to score 123 runs with 66 SB. We can complain about his OBP right now, but he's going to be fine. He's been far from terrible as a cub. Jones on the other hand...legit target.

 

Why would we talk about long term extensions for Murton or Cedeno? Ramirez isn't going to be a FA next season. :?

[RynoRules]

Pierre has been terrible so far as a Cub.

 

That's an overstatement. He has been bad, not terrible.

[KaiserCesar]

I think JP has been a little unlucky so far this year with his balls in play, but I also have been a little discouraged with his plate discpline. If those bunts don't get down for hits, that's a 1 pitch AB out of the leadoff man. If he picks it up, which I'm pretty confident he will, it would be worth looking into an extension in order to be a stop-gap for either A) forcing Pie into the leadoff role when he shouldn't be there or B) rushing EPatt to the majors to leadoff. But if the market for leadoff men demands $10 million+ there's no way I'd give that up for an average defender with little power. Sure, the speed's nice, but you can find similar skill sets and OBP for much much cheaper just because a guy might not be a "proven leadoff hitter"