Why hasn't Marshall earned a job?

[RynoRules]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

[mg420]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

it is probably because there are a few guys ahead of him like hill & guzman. looking at the guys we have now without wood, prior & maddux , i still think the cubs starting pitching can be a major strength after 2006. with miller doing well in rehab a rotation of z, miller & williams/rusch to go along with 2 others from the hill, marshall, guzman & ryu list looks very good to me talent wise. while i'm glad the cubs are going with cedeno instead of trading for tejada, maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing if prior & wood were both gone. in hindsight, i wonder if the cubs wish they would have taken texeria instead of prior.

[jkrapfl]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

it is probably because there are a few guys ahead of him like hill & guzman. looking at the guys we have now without wood, prior & maddux , i still think the cubs starting pitching can be a major strength after 2006. with miller doing well in rehab a rotation of z, miller & williams/rusch to go along with 2 others from the hill, marshall, guzman & ryu list looks very good to me talent wise. while i'm glad the cubs are going with cedeno instead of trading for tejada, maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing if prior & wood were both gone. in hindsight, i wonder if the cubs wish they would have taken texeria instead of prior.

 

Where is Prior going? If you include Miller in the rotation for next season, why would you not also include Prior? He's not a free agent, and I don't think anyone is looking at trading him, so why wouldn't he be there? If you say that he isn't included because he will probably be hurt, then shouldn't you speculate the same thing about Miller since he has the same rep for being injured a lot?

[minnesotacubsfan]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

it is probably because there are a few guys ahead of him like hill & guzman. looking at the guys we have now without wood, prior & maddux , i still think the cubs starting pitching can be a major strength after 2006. with miller doing well in rehab a rotation of z, miller & williams/rusch to go along with 2 others from the hill, marshall, guzman & ryu list looks very good to me talent wise. while i'm glad the cubs are going with cedeno instead of trading for tejada, maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing if prior & wood were both gone. in hindsight, i wonder if the cubs wish they would have taken texeria instead of prior.

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

[Shawon12]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

Is there any reason they need to give him the job now? Let the kids continue to compete.

[mg420]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

it is probably because there are a few guys ahead of him like hill & guzman. looking at the guys we have now without wood, prior & maddux , i still think the cubs starting pitching can be a major strength after 2006. with miller doing well in rehab a rotation of z, miller & williams/rusch to go along with 2 others from the hill, marshall, guzman & ryu list looks very good to me talent wise. while i'm glad the cubs are going with cedeno instead of trading for tejada, maybe it wouldnt be a bad thing if prior & wood were both gone. in hindsight, i wonder if the cubs wish they would have taken texeria instead of prior.

 

Where is Prior going? If you include Miller in the rotation for next season, why would you not also include Prior? He's not a free agent, and I don't think anyone is looking at trading him, so why wouldn't he be there? If you say that he isn't included because he will probably be hurt, then shouldn't you speculate the same thing about Miller since he has the same rep for being injured a lot?

 

my point is that perhaps there is hope for the cubs pitching without prior & wood in the mix. the difference between miller and prior is that people dont hinge the success of the cubs on the health of miller as they do with prior & wood. if miller can come back healthy & start, anything he gives will be a bonus. if not, the cubs havent lost much (as opposed to the huge $$ they have shelled out to mark & kerry).

[rawaction]

Marshall is the 2nd youngest (can you believe Ryu's still just 21 years old!), but has by far the least amount of experience. Guzman's been around about 6 years in the system. Hill went to U of Michigan. And Ryu has been around since he was 17. He hasn't been 100% healthy, so the Cubs are probably still very cautious with him. He hasn't been on the 40-man as long as Guzman and Hill, so the Cubs have him under their control for longer without having to put him on the 25-man. He hasn't used any options unlike Hill.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Marshall is the 2nd youngest (can you believe Ryu's still just 21 years old!), but has by far the least amount of experience. Guzman's been around about 6 years in the system. Hill went to U of Michigan. And Ryu has been around since he was 17. He hasn't been 100% healthy, so the Cubs are probably still very cautious with him. He hasn't been on the 40-man as long as Guzman and Hill, so the Cubs have him under their control for longer without having to put him on the 25-man. He hasn't used any options unlike Hill.

 

According to the Baseball Cube, Ryu turns 23 in May.

[rawaction]

Marshall is the 2nd youngest (can you believe Ryu's still just 21 years old!), but has by far the least amount of experience. Guzman's been around about 6 years in the system. Hill went to U of Michigan. And Ryu has been around since he was 17. He hasn't been 100% healthy, so the Cubs are probably still very cautious with him. He hasn't been on the 40-man as long as Guzman and Hill, so the Cubs have him under their control for longer without having to put him on the 25-man. He hasn't used any options unlike Hill.

 

According to the Baseball Cube, Ryu turns 23 in May.

 

You're right. My math is not. I saw he was born in 83, and said 21. It's 2006 right?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Marshall is the 2nd youngest (can you believe Ryu's still just 21 years old!), but has by far the least amount of experience. Guzman's been around about 6 years in the system. Hill went to U of Michigan. And Ryu has been around since he was 17. He hasn't been 100% healthy, so the Cubs are probably still very cautious with him. He hasn't been on the 40-man as long as Guzman and Hill, so the Cubs have him under their control for longer without having to put him on the 25-man. He hasn't used any options unlike Hill.

 

According to the Baseball Cube, Ryu turns 23 in May.

 

You're right. My math is not. I saw he was born in 83, and said 21. It's 2006 right?

 

That's the word around town.

[Gunned]

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

 

I know I'd really miss the constant injury updates and wondering each year if Prior would be able to make all his starts.

[badger1679666666]

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

 

I know I'd really miss the constant injury updates and wondering each year if Prior would be able to make all his starts.

 

I think what he means, is that if prior is no longer on this team, it's disappointing because of what a waste of talent it would be.

 

Though your sarcasm is really productive.

[brinoch]

I think Marshall may yet earn a shot. Then again, Guzman might take it. Hill could go gang-busters and win. Ryu's potential might wow them and win it. But I think whoever takes the fifth spot in the rotation ought to earn it -- not be given it. My personal preference is Guzman. Though I like Marshall and Ryu, of course, I think some more seasoning is worthwhile. Let's make sure they are healthy, making strides, improving specific pitches and ready for the show.

 

I freely admit that I've seen no ST games, and really have no idea who is pitching the best among the candidates. I've also been a HUGE Angel Guzman fan since 2003.

[Chocolate Milk]

The one Spring Training game I watched (The first one on TV?) Marshall was very impressive. His hook was filthy.

[radarluv1]

is there any reason as far as options or arby clock to keep ryu or marshall down a few months? of course its the beginning of the year we're most likely to need them.

[Jehrico]

is there any reason as far as options or arby clock to keep ryu or marshall down a few months? of course its the beginning of the year we're most likely to need them.

 

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the arby clock unless you're talking about someone who is as likely to reach super-stardom as they come, like Prior was in '01. I have high hopes for Ryu or Marshall, but they're not going to approach the big bucks anywhere near the quickness that Prior or Wood did.

[Gunned]

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

 

I know I'd really miss the constant injury updates and wondering each year if Prior would be able to make all his starts.

 

I think what he means, is that if prior is no longer on this team, it's disappointing because of what a waste of talent it would be.

 

Though your sarcasm is really productive.

 

Likewise.

[radarluv1]

is there any reason as far as options or arby clock to keep ryu or marshall down a few months? of course its the beginning of the year we're most likely to need them.

 

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the arby clock unless you're talking about someone who is as likely to reach super-stardom as they come, like Prior was in '01. I have high hopes for Ryu or Marshall, but they're not going to approach the big bucks anywhere near the quickness that Prior or Wood did.

 

i guess i was thinking not only about arby but also delaying their evenutal free agency.

[RynoRules]

The one Spring Training game I watched (The first one on TV?) Marshall was very impressive. His hook was filthy.

 

Bingo. Hasn't he been head and shoulders above Hill, Guzman, Ryu and Williams? Again, there must be a good reason for this; I think Raw's reasoning above is the best I have read thus far.

 

The future sure looks brighter if Ryu, Guzman and Marshall are all the real deal. Its a nice problem to have.

[badger1679666666]

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

 

I know I'd really miss the constant injury updates and wondering each year if Prior would be able to make all his starts.

 

I think what he means, is that if prior is no longer on this team, it's disappointing because of what a waste of talent it would be.

 

Though your sarcasm is really productive.

 

Likewise.

 

Erased post, trying to play nice.

Edited March 22, 2006 by badger

[CubsWin]

 

I get sick to my stomach considering a post-prior cubs team

 

I know I'd really miss the constant injury updates and wondering each year if Prior would be able to make all his starts.

 

I think what he means, is that if prior is no longer on this team, it's disappointing because of what a waste of talent it would be.

 

Though your sarcasm is really productive.

 

Likewise.

 

Actually, the purpose was good. It was to get you to read and think before responding like a smart-aleck. The productivity on the other hand is up to you.

Come on, badger. Keep it above the belt, meaning address the post not the poster. Sarcasm is allowed on message boards...unfortunately.

[CubsWin]

The one Spring Training game I watched (The first one on TV?) Marshall was very impressive. His hook was filthy.

 

Bingo. Hasn't he been head and shoulders above Hill, Guzman, Ryu and Williams? Again, there must be a good reason for this; I think Raw's reasoning above is the best I have read thus far.

 

The future sure looks brighter if Ryu, Guzman and Marshall are all the real deal. Its a nice problem to have.

The comments I've been reading say that there is too much time left before that 5th starter will be needed (April 15th) for it to matter who is pitching well now or "in the lead". Marshall has definitely gotten off to the best start and shows the best control right now, but that doesn't matter much when the decision who to call up will be made 3 weeks from now.

[NorthsideAvenger]

in hindsight, i wonder if the cubs wish they would have taken texeria instead of prior.

 

No. You can find guys like Texieria---not necessarily switch-hitting---who can hit a ton to stick at first base. But guys like Prior don't come to your organization that often. So I doubt the Cubs "regret" not taking Tex.

[NorthsideAvenger]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

IMO, he hasn't earn the job, simply because this is a small sample size in SPRING TRAINING (scrubs supreme). Marshall has given Baker/Hendry a good impression about what he can do (and Marshall has leapfrogged Hill as the first pitcher to be call up during the season), but Sean still needs at least a strong half yr at AAA before he is ready.

[CubsWin]

The papers are saying he's put his best foot fwd, but it does not seem like they are seriously considering him as a potential no. 5. Can someone with greater knowledge of his history tell me why? Or is it b/c of his shoulder troubles of last year?

 

IMO, he hasn't earn the job, simply because this is a small sample size in SPRING TRAINING (scrubs supreme). Marshall has given Baker/Hendry a good impression about what he can do (and Marshall has leapfrogged Hill as the first pitcher to be call up during the season), but Sean still needs at least a strong half yr at AAA before he is ready.

If he needs half a year at AAA, he might not be ahead of Hill. Last I read, Marshall was likely headed back to AA to start the season. That might change though if he keeps performing like he has.

 

I still think it is too early to say who is ahead of who to be the 5th starter or the first one called up. But even if Marshall is at AA and Hill is at AAA, I don't think it will matter much who is at the higher level. The Cubs decision will likely be based on who they think is throwing better at the time.