So now what do we do?

[JonnyRed]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

[ltb]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

why do you keep using wins as a stat that a pitcher should have? for the most part, he can't control that.

 

zambrano is an elite starter and to say otherwise shows ignorance of the facts.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Fergie was more than W's and IP's. He was ERAs around 3 and WHIPs around 1.05 with nearly 300 Ks. Fergie was pretty damn dominating for a few years.

[Soul]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

why do you keep using wins as a stat that a pitcher should have? for the most part, he can't control that.

 

zambrano is an elite starter and to say otherwise shows ignorance of the facts.

 

Z has elite ability. 1 elite pitcher then Maddux doesn't come close to making us a competitive ballclub.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

why do you keep using wins as a stat that a pitcher should have? for the most part, he can't control that.

 

zambrano is an elite starter and to say otherwise shows ignorance of the facts.

 

Z has elite ability. 1 elite pitcher then Maddux doesn't come close to making us a competitive ballclub.

 

Especially with our offense.

[ManEatingTarp]

 

It's easy for a Cards fan to be positive about our situation---he knows it means an easier road for his team in any event (no offense meant).

 

None taken.

I want the Cubs to be 100% healthy for 2 reasons.

 

#1 I want the Cardinals to beat them when both are at full strength. Winning the division by 15 games over an injured rival doesn't prove much.

 

#2 The last 2 years the Cards have spent September trying to figure out how to stay sharp. Fighting for a playoff spot is important.

[RynoRules]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

[stitchface]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

no

[badger1679666666]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

someone just get me a gun so I can shoot myself and not have listen to this argument one more freaking time.

[Soul]

 

It's easy for a Cards fan to be positive about our situation---he knows it means an easier road for his team in any event (no offense meant).

 

None taken.

I want the Cubs to be 100% healthy for 2 reasons.

 

#1 I want the Cardinals to beat them when both are at full strength. Winning the division by 15 games over an injured rival doesn't prove much.

 

#2 The last 2 years the Cards have spent September trying to figure out how to stay sharp. Fighting for a playoff spot is important.

 

Sad to say, but it's true. We've been so far back (& even the Stros) there's been nothing to motivate the Cards in September. I'm not sure how that affects a playoff run, but it probably isn't all that good to be strolling into the playoffs and then suddenly have to go full blast.

 

Still, it's a problem I sure wish we had ;) Certainly not in '06 unless some kind of miracle happens.

[treebird]

Don't get me wrong, I like Z as much as the next guy, but shouldn't elite pitchers win more than 14 games? We know he has the stuff for greatness (as evidenced by his stellar ERA) but wouldn't you agree he has yet to put it all together?

 

someone just get me a gun so I can shoot myself and not have listen to this argument one more freaking time.

 

hahahah

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It really sucks that the bulk of our team is next to worthless thanks to the mismanagement of our rotation.

[badger1679666666]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

 

You can't trade Wood. NTC. He ain't waiving it and on ones taking him.

 

:takes shotgun and puts in mouth:

[soccer10k]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

 

Why would you want to trade Barrett right now? He's one of the best hitting catchers in the league? Do you really think a young guy in the farm system is going to be significantly better than him? I don't.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

 

You can't trade Wood. NTC. He ain't waiving it and on ones taking him.

 

:takes shotgun and puts in mouth:

 

you don't think he'd waive it if we blew up the team, traded his buddy Prior, and offered to send him to Texas? he'd get his money.

 

:pulls the trigger:

Edited March 15, 2006 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

 

Why would you want to trade Barrett right now? He's one of the best hitting catchers in the league? Do you really think a young guy in the farm system is going to be significantly better than him? I don't.

 

It's about getting prospects of value. You don't get that by trading Neifi.

 

His value is exactly why you trade him. It will never be higher.

Edited March 15, 2006 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[ManEatingTarp]

 

It's easy for a Cards fan to be positive about our situation---he knows it means an easier road for his team in any event (no offense meant).

 

None taken.

I want the Cubs to be 100% healthy for 2 reasons.

 

#1 I want the Cardinals to beat them when both are at full strength. Winning the division by 15 games over an injured rival doesn't prove much.

 

#2 The last 2 years the Cards have spent September trying to figure out how to stay sharp. Fighting for a playoff spot is important.

 

Sad to say, but it's true. We've been so far back (& even the Stros) there's been nothing to motivate the Cards in September. I'm not sure how that affects a playoff run, but it probably isn't all that good to be strolling into the playoffs and then suddenly have to go full blast.

 

Still, it's a problem I sure wish we had ;) Certainly not in '06 unless some kind of miracle happens.

 

A Wildcard team won the last 3 WS before last year, and the Sox didn't exactly cruise in to the playoffs last year. I really believe that being pushed to the end of the regular season puts teams into a playoff mentality.

I want the Cubs to push the Cards to the very end.

 

...and then fall apart the last week of the season ;)

[sethuel1]

Jones' contract is tradeable.

 

C'mon, man. I'm trying to eat and not make a mess on the keyboard here.

[badger1679666666]

If this goes to hell this year, and assuming that Dusty is not asked back, I think we should toy with the idea of blowing this thing up.

 

Keep Lee, ARam, Prior and our young arms (Guzman, Hill, etc.) and put everyone else up for sale. Jones' contract is tradeable. Bring Pie up for 07', pair him with Matty in LF. Let Cedeno play SS. Bring up a kid to play 2B. Barrett has a lot of value - trade him too. Just blow the damn thing up!!!!

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

I'd trade Prior, Wood (pick up the option, eat the cash and get some decent prospects), Jones, and Barrett.

 

You can't trade Wood. NTC. He ain't waiving it and on ones taking him.

 

:takes shotgun and puts in mouth:

 

you don't think he'd waive it if we blew up the team, traded his buddy Prior, and offered to send him to Texas? he'd get his money.

 

No, I don't. He doesn't want to leave chicago, he certainly wouldn't want to go to a hitters haven, regardless if he's from Texas. Why on EARTH you'd trade Prior who we have until 2008 is beyond me anyway - but no one would take either of em. We wouldn't get squat for either.

[sethuel1]

Also, to answer the topic question, I think the first thing that should be done is the Cubs should raise ticket prices. And stop allowing outside food in Wrigley.

 

Also they should beat up the kid that plays the drums outside the bleachers.

[ThePenguin11]

Just read through the thread one thing stands out to me...Fergie Jenkins won 20+ games for six straight years while posting ERA's between 2.63 and 3.39. Nothing against Zambrano, but he's not there yet. I seem to remember Greg Maddux and Rick Sutcliffe putting up three good seasons together as well. Granted, Sutcliffe didn't dominate but he was very consistent much like Carlos.

[ThePenguin11]

Also, to answer the topic question, I think the first thing that should be done is the Cubs should raise ticket prices. And stop allowing outside food in Wrigley.

 

Also they should beat up the kid that plays the drums outside the bleachers.

 

They should also claim a dime out of every quarter tossed in his hat as well. It's only fair. There wouldn't be street performers without the Cubs.

[sethuel1]

Also, to answer the topic question, I think the first thing that should be done is the Cubs should raise ticket prices. And stop allowing outside food in Wrigley.

 

Also they should beat up the kid that plays the drums outside the bleachers.

 

They should also claim a dime out of every quarter tossed in his hat as well. It's only fair. There wouldn't be street performers without the Cubs.

 

And he has to perform at least 2 blocks away for public safety purposes.

[stitchface]

Just read through the thread one thing stands out to me...Fergie Jenkins won 20+ games for six straight years while posting ERA's between 2.63 and 3.39. Nothing against Zambrano, but he's not there yet. I seem to remember Greg Maddux and Rick Sutcliffe putting up three good seasons together as well. Granted, Sutcliffe didn't dominate but he was very consistent much like Carlos.

 

re-read what I wrote.