WFT?

[wolf stansson]

Apparently Tony has Juan Encarnacion penciled at the #2 spot in the lineup.

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=336399

Uhhh? What's his career obp? Something like .316? How about 7th or 8th Tony?

Edited February 9, 2006 by wolf stansson

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Nice one!

 

So does that put Spivey in the seventh spot?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So does that put Spivey in the seventh spot?

 

I think that would be a good spot for Pujols.

[E.J.]

A wonderful move by Tony, IMO. :twisted:

[sweetpeteman]

yay!

 

WFT? What, f that?

[Andy]

WFT?

 

I agree with this move. I hope he bats Albert 8th now.

[Brian]

I think the top 4 should be -

 

Spivey

Encarnacion

Taguchi

Eckstein

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think the top 4 should be -

 

Spivey

Encarnacion

Taguchi

Eckstein

 

Nope:

Spivey

Encarnacion

Taguchi

Pitcher

[indifferent]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

So does that put Spivey in the seventh spot?

 

I think that would be a good spot for Pujols.

 

Actually, the best spot for Pujols is either on the DL or traded to an AL team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Actually, the best spot for Pujols is either on the DL or traded to an AL team.

 

With Macias stepping in as his replacement. :D

[indifferent]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

 

You can have the void clause only if I get one if Dusty insists on starting Neifi at 2b for more than 30 games.

[indifferent]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

 

You can have the void clause only if I get one if Dusty insists on starting Neifi at 2b for more than 30 games.

 

Hold on, now you're taking the this out of context of my original wager. My original wager wasn't based so much on Spivey being great or better than Todd Walker for that matter, but rather the mix of players and who would end up with playing time. Besides, you'd expect 30 games at a position for a backup at any position.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

 

You can have the void clause only if I get one if Dusty insists on starting Neifi at 2b for more than 30 games.

 

Hold on, now you're taking the this out of context of my original wager. My original wager wasn't based so much on Spivey being great or better than Todd Walker for that matter, but rather the mix of players and who would end up with playing time. Besides, you'd expect 30 games at a position for a backup at any position.

 

30 games is different than 30 starts, especially when there are two backups for Walker.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

 

You can have the void clause only if I get one if Dusty insists on starting Neifi at 2b for more than 30 games.

 

Hold on, now you're taking the this out of context of my original wager. My original wager wasn't based so much on Spivey being great or better than Todd Walker for that matter, but rather the mix of players and who would end up with playing time. Besides, you'd expect 30 games at a position for a backup at any position.

 

Remove the injury caveat then. Cubs 2b > Spivey. If Spivey gets hurt, that's still part of the equation.

[indifferent]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You look at PECOTA, but I think Spivey is severely underrated by everyone because of his last two injury marred years. All signs indicate that he's healthy headed into the season who knows how long that will last. I know you're fond of most recent 3 yr. avg. numbers, but for obvious reasons, that's not fair to Spivey. His career numbers including his horrific last two years look like this: .270/.354/.436. The guy just turned 31. I predict a repeat of Grudz and his two heavily injured seasons and then a full healthy season with the Cards (only difference is Spivey's 06 numbers will be better than Grudz's 05 numbers and while Grudz when playing was still solid where Spivey was horrid).

 

That said I'll only take you up on your wager, if there's a void clause if Spivey's injured for three straight weeks.

 

You can have the void clause only if I get one if Dusty insists on starting Neifi at 2b for more than 30 games.

 

Hold on, now you're taking the this out of context of my original wager. My original wager wasn't based so much on Spivey being great or better than Todd Walker for that matter, but rather the mix of players and who would end up with playing time. Besides, you'd expect 30 games at a position for a backup at any position.

 

Remove the injury caveat then. Cubs 2b > Spivey. If Spivey gets hurt, that's still part of the equation.

 

Sorry, wager's off then! Spivey being healthy and Perez and Hairston getting ample playing time is the crux of my wager. I'd say most betting people would do it just because the PECOTA you showed me for Walker and Hairston alone is far greater than Spivey's. C'mon, the numbers don't lie!

[Banedon]

Sorry, wager's off then! Spivey being healthy and Perez and Hairston getting ample playing time is the crux of my wager. I'd say most betting people would do it just because the PECOTA you showed me for Walker and Hairston alone is far greater than Spivey's. C'mon, the numbers don't lie!

 

The numbers don't factor in Baker and his usage of Neifi.

[indifferent]

Sorry, wager's off then! Spivey being healthy and Perez and Hairston getting ample playing time is the crux of my wager. I'd say most betting people would do it just because the PECOTA you showed me for Walker and Hairston alone is far greater than Spivey's. C'mon, the numbers don't lie!

 

The numbers don't factor in Baker and his usage of Neifi.

 

I'm relying on Baker to assure me of victory.

[Banedon]

Sorry, wager's off then! Spivey being healthy and Perez and Hairston getting ample playing time is the crux of my wager. I'd say most betting people would do it just because the PECOTA you showed me for Walker and Hairston alone is far greater than Spivey's. C'mon, the numbers don't lie!

 

The numbers don't factor in Baker and his usage of Neifi.

 

I'm relying on Baker to assure me of victory.

 

So then it's not that you really believe that Spivey > Cubs 2b, you just think Baker is "creative" enough to ensure the least amount of production out of the position?

[indifferent]

Sorry, wager's off then! Spivey being healthy and Perez and Hairston getting ample playing time is the crux of my wager. I'd say most betting people would do it just because the PECOTA you showed me for Walker and Hairston alone is far greater than Spivey's. C'mon, the numbers don't lie!

 

The numbers don't factor in Baker and his usage of Neifi.

 

I'm relying on Baker to assure me of victory.

 

So then it's not that you really believe that Spivey > Cubs 2b, you just think Baker is "creative" enough to ensure the least amount of production out of the position?

 

Yep, that's pretty correct. I just saw the blog on BTF where Hendry told Walker he'd be competing against Perez and Hairston for the starting spot in ST. Plus, I still don't think Walker will be there. I do think Spivey will outproduce Perez and Hairston.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd be extremely surprised if Spivey out-produced himself next year, and I don't even know what that means.

[Andy]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

If anyone other than Todd Walker (or Hairston against lefties) plays second for an extended period this season, everyone in the organization should be fired: Dusty and his team for playing Neifi too much, and Hendry and his team for bringing him back for 6 times as much as anyone else would have given him. I'm not even kidding.

[indifferent]

I'd put a friendly wager on Spivey outproducing the Cubs 2nd base position if he's healthy the season. Especially if it holds true that Perez, Hairston, and Walker will be competing at spring training or platooning.

 

I'll take that wager.

 

PECOTA for Spivey:

 

248/322/410 WARP 1.7

 

PECOTA for Walker:

280/341/425 WARP 2.5

 

PECOTA for Hairston:

268/342/387 WARP 2.2

 

PECOTA for Perez

264/296/364 WARP 2.4

 

I like my chances that Walker and Hairston will play enough to have the Cubs 2b outproduce Spivey. Spivey isn't really that good.

 

How about the loser buys the winner the cap of their choice?

 

You initially said that you liked your chances Walker and Hairston will play enough. Another wild card in the equation is Spivey gets off to a slow start or loses his starting slot due to injury, no there's no telling if Luna or Miles will steal time from him.