Corey Patterson traded to Balt. (per Levine)

[cjbucks]

going to get flamed, but I think the cubs got fleeced...again. Yes, corey has struggled and was one of his greatest haters on this board (well, actually, i never bood him in person), but he had done things at the major league level while these two scrubs are likely to never do anything at the MLB level. Worthless trade. Probably caps off one of the worst offseasons in recent memory.

 

Do you think this is a better move than non-tendering him?

Trading him is indeed a better move than non-tendering but he would have been good as a backup OFer especially now that we all know Grissom will be our guy.

 

I must have missed the memo - I didn't know Grissom was going to be our guy?

[Jon]

Glad they also addressed some of the main reasons why he struggled so much last year. So when can Pie start working with Clines and Sarge to become that leadoff hitter Hendry wants so much? And if the give Pierre an extension, why not two leadoff hitters?

 

Hopefully his work this fall with Von Joshua has him back on the right path. I wish him well.

[BeerHere]

I don't see how you think this trade was personality driven and not performance driven. Corey's approach and results brought this trade on. While Hendry deserves some overall bashing, this is really a non issue. It's doubtful Corey will be anything special, and it's doubtful Spears will be. Gesh, seems everyone is on the edge of the cliff...

 

I'll try to clarify.

 

There's no question that Patterson's 2005 numbers were abysmal.

 

Still, this is a team with a rookie in left, a fading vet in right, and bench that is so barren that Marquis Grissom gets a NRI flyer. Depsite Patterson's awful 2005, he's a young, cheap, toolsy outfielder that has had success in the past. The Cubs traded him for 2 players who will have no impact on the 2006 season and may never reach the big leagues.

 

I think there was more to this trade than Corey's 2005 numbers. I think management was unhappy with his overall attitude and approach to coaching. It was clearly evident that he and Baker were never on the same page.

 

I agree.

 

Hendry publicly stated that he would like Corey to play winterball to work on his strikezone judgment. Corey refused and got dealt.

[Mizzou]

I can't help but notice that all the inept coaches were brought back, yet Corey was traded away. :-k

[RockTheIvy]

going to get flamed, but I think the cubs got fleeced...again. Yes, corey has struggled and was one of his greatest haters on this board (well, actually, i never bood him in person), but he had done things at the major league level while these two scrubs are likely to never do anything at the MLB level. Worthless trade. Probably caps off one of the worst offseasons in recent memory.

 

Do you think this is a better move than non-tendering him?

Trading him is indeed a better move than non-tendering but he would have been good as a backup OFer especially now that we all know Grissom will be our guy.

 

I must have missed the memo - I didn't know Grissom was going to be our guy?

 

I don't think it was ever going to be Grissom vs. Patterson (I'd take Patterson in the 11th though, TKO, fwiw).

[YearofDaCubs]

going to get flamed, but I think the cubs got fleeced...again. Yes, corey has struggled and was one of his greatest haters on this board (well, actually, i never bood him in person), but he had done things at the major league level while these two scrubs are likely to never do anything at the MLB level. Worthless trade. Probably caps off one of the worst offseasons in recent memory.

 

Do you think this is a better move than non-tendering him?

Trading him is indeed a better move than non-tendering but he would have been good as a backup OFer especially now that we all know Grissom will be our guy.

 

I must have missed the memo - I didn't know Grissom was going to be our guy?

With Hendry and Baker at the helm I got $10 bucks that says Grissom will make the team as a backup OFer.

[JeffH]

Odd that the Cubs chose to acquire performance-over-tools-Spears.

 

Seems like a very un-Cub-like move.

[RockTheIvy]

Odd that the Cubs chose to acquire performance-over-tools-Spears.

 

Seems like a very un-Cub-like move.

 

Hendry likes Band of Brothers and couldn't find Otis Nixon.

[goonys evil twin]

I can't help but notice that all the inept coaches were brought back, yet Corey was traded away. :-k

 

It's not the coaches fault, it's the players. The players have to play. The coaches can't play for them. The GM gets the players, the coaches coach the players, and the players play. Obviously the failures of so many players means that the players are at fault, and since the scouts, front office and coaches have all "been there" and "know the game", we know it can't be their fault.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Hendry publicly stated that he would like Corey to play winterball to work on his strikezone judgment. Corey refused and got dealt.

 

Hendry privately thought winterball may help Corey's trade value, IMO.

[goonys evil twin]

Odd that the Cubs chose to acquire performance-over-tools-Spears.

 

Seems like a very un-Cub-like move.

 

But to be fair, it's not like the performance is all that special. It's acceptable for the position, but hardly impressive.

[Jon]

I can't help but notice that all the inept coaches were brought back, yet Corey was traded away. :-k

Hendry rewarded them with new contracts because of Neifi's great performance.

 

How professional baseball coaches can't realize that you're asking too much of a young player when you try to 1) turn a power hitter into a slap contact leadoff hitter by overhauling his swing and footwork, 2) work on strike zone recognition and improve walk totals (the player's biggest problem by far), and 3) drastically improve bunting ability and frequency all at the same time with different coaches and during a major league season is beyond me. And how can a GM can allow that?

 

I can't wait for them to rush Pie so he can get started with these coaches as soon as possible and learn the strike zone in the big leagues.

[BOJI BOB]

For whatever reason, I'll miss watching him play as he was one of the "younger" players able to get some p.t. with Dusty. Also saw him play in Des Moines a few years ago and at that time, he was very exciting. I hope he regains his spark again in Baltimore. BTW, I really hope Grissom doesn't make the team.

[YearofDaCubs]

For whatever reason, I'll miss watching him play as he was one of the "younger" players able to get some p.t. with Dusty. Also saw him play in Des Moines a few years ago and at that time, he was very exciting. I hope he regains his spark again in Baltimore. BTW, I really hope Grissom doesn't make the team.

Grissom will make the team. Bank on it.

[StMarksCubs]

going to get flamed, but I think the cubs got fleeced...again. Yes, corey has struggled and was one of his greatest haters on this board (well, actually, i never bood him in person), but he had done things at the major league level while these two scrubs are likely to never do anything at the MLB level. Worthless trade. Probably caps off one of the worst offseasons in recent memory.

 

Do you think this is a better move than non-tendering him?

 

This board is here to first, second, third guess to death. I realize that, and I embrace it. But let's take a step backwards from what we do here and focus in on what the GM of the Chicago Cubs should have done.

 

You've got a guy with all the potential in the world, and has shown a tremendous inability to consistantly make use of those tools.

 

I understand Hendry is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't, but you can't tell me that there was any compelling reason to keep Corey Patterson. And by compelling, I don't mean "He might, he might..."

 

Seriously, there was no reason to keep him beyond this off-season when his trade value, likely, would have plummeted into PTBNL-land.. Cut Hendry a break here, this was the right call.

[Mizzou]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

[Blueheart05]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

Corey doesn't have much room to blast anyone. The Cubs (especially Hendry) would have loved for him to have had a productive 2005. Patterson's refusal to go to winter ball cemented his exit.

[sweetpeteman]

going to get flamed, but I think the cubs got fleeced...again. Yes, corey has struggled and was one of his greatest haters on this board (well, actually, i never bood him in person), but he had done things at the major league level while these two scrubs are likely to never do anything at the MLB level. Worthless trade. Probably caps off one of the worst offseasons in recent memory.

 

Do you think this is a better move than non-tendering him?

Trading him is indeed a better move than non-tendering but he would have been good as a backup OFer especially now that we all know Grissom will be our guy.

 

I must have missed the memo - I didn't know Grissom was going to be our guy?

With Hendry and Baker at the helm I got $10 bucks that says Grissom will make the team as a backup OFer.

 

and the moment Murton goes 0-4, Grissom becomes the starter, and no matter how bad Grissom plays, Murton won't get put in.

[CubfaninCA]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

After last year, Corey has nothing to stand on. Would look like lots of sour grapes.

[Jon]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

Corey doesn't have much room to blast anyone. The Cubs (especially Hendry) would have loved for him to have had a productive 2005. Patterson's refusal to go to winter ball cemented his exit.

I'd have to believe winter ball was nothing more than a convenient excuse for Hendry to use. Corey worked with a hitting coach (and a good one, at that) down in Arizona during the fall, which in my opinion, is much more important than just going down to play winter ball. That is if he re-overhauled it, of course. Going down to play winter ball with what the Cubs were trying to do to him wasn't going to do any good, anyways.

 

And they talked his demotion up to be about clearing his head. If that was really their intention, not having a few months off to just forget about baseball, spend time with family, and stay in shape is quite the opposite.

 

The day that certain people in this organization will finally be held accountable for jerking around and hindering development of young players will be a happy one for me.

Edited January 9, 2006 by Jon

[Mizzou]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

After last year, Corey has nothing to stand on. Would look like lots of sour grapes.

Fine, I'll settle for any current or former Cub blasting Dusty.

[CubfaninCA]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

After last year, Corey has nothing to stand on. Would look like lots of sour grapes.

Fine, I'll settle for any current or former Cub blasting Dusty.

 

I have a feeling Walker will.

[HoopsCubs]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

After last year, Corey has nothing to stand on. Would look like lots of sour grapes.

Fine, I'll settle for any current or former Cub blasting Dusty.

 

I have a feeling Walker will.

 

And, he'll probably get his chance in about 4 weeks.

[Cubzfan64]

I just hate seeing guys with lots of raw talent fail (or at the very least not live up to expectations). That said, I really think this was an inevitable situation after last season.

 

Corey just had an absolutely terrible season last year, and although the Cubs screwed with him alot by moving him all over the lineup and finally sending him down to the farm, he certainly shares blame by just not being able to adjust. Once the fans turned on him, it seemed to me like he "gave up" (I'm sure he didn't, it's just the impression I got from his play).

 

As soon as the Cubs showed any interest in Pierre, Corey was no longer going to be on our team.

 

I can't believe we had another "can't miss" regular day prospect who plummeted so much in value that we almost had to give him away. Face it, this was the best move for the organization as well as for Corey. I hope he's able to put it all together for Baltimore or wherever else he may end up.

[E.J.]

I'd really like to see Corey blast Dusty and/or the Cubs organization on his way out. He seems like too much of a stand up guy to do that though.

 

After last year, Corey has nothing to stand on. Would look like lots of sour grapes.

Fine, I'll settle for any current or former Cub blasting Dusty.

 

I have a feeling Walker will.

 

That's a given. I can't wait to hear what Walker has to say on his way out of town. :twisted: